Its not wrong and disgusting?
Well prove to me what is right and healthy about it. If you can prove how right and healthy it is, then you can call me an ass. Until then, keep it to yourself. Don’t come into a debate unless you are armed with facts, not just an arsenal of names to call people.
Now I don’t care, if two guys want to get “married” and perform sodomy in their own bedroom*. I don’t care, if some freak wants to pretend he is a woman, in his own home. Am I against these things? Yes. But it is their business and I can’t stop them. The problem arises when the whole population is forced to accept the notion that what these fringe groups are doing is totally healthy and normal. It is not healthy, and it is not normal.
In fact, it is extremely UNhealthy. And just as with smoking, the government should warn against it. At the very least remain neutral but not promote and force an activity that is dangerous.
The fact that the number of genders even needs debate is a sad indicator of the liberal overtaking of the nation.
*And don’t pull that ridiculous liberal defense of “Oh, well some hetero couples engage in activities you consider wrong too! So don’t judge gays!” Bull Shit. Two wrongs don’t make a right. If I am against something in one case, I am against it in another.
No one’s forcing YOU to be transgender. It doesn’t effect you at all. It’s nothing more then you wanting to push your belief system on others. Pretty sure no one is promoting it or forcing any activities on anyone. As for gays and lesbians, which I guess you’re also against, other then leaving them be and affording them the same rights as any other person who is forcing you to do anything against your will? I will take back calling you an ass, if you can name me an instance where you personally were forced to do something against your will for some gay or lesbian that you wouldn’t have done for a straight person.
No, no one is forcing me to be transgender, that’s a silly point to make.
Let me be clear, I am not against Gays and Lesbians, just homosexuality. The behavior, not the person.
Here is an example for you. My mother is a small business owner. 20 years ago she started a small daycare in our apartment, now she owns a school that teaches kindergarten through 8th grade. Two years ago, she privately voiced her opinion to an employee; She said that homosexuality would not be included in the sex education curriculum because it was unhealthy and abnormal. Word got out that my Mom believed this and immediately reviews of her school were all over the local review sites saying the she would not even accept gay students. Problem is, she had one at the time. Like me, it was not the person she was against, but the behaviour. Also, she began getting regular checkups from the IRS.
Maybe you heard about the scandal where the IRS targeted conservatives? I can’t think of a better example of the far reaching effects if this agenda than that.
Maybe you heard about the Christian bakers who were forced to bake a cake for gay weddings and/or sued for “discrimination”?
I have had good acquaintances who were gay. When I was 18, I was playing music in a pub in Ecuador. The bartender was gay. He had been in the US and spoke English so we would often chat during my breaks. I had no problem with him, just the behavior. I have friends that smoke. I have no problem with them, just their behaviors.
It’s no different then those who once upon a time thought a woman’s place was in the home beside her husband. Or that colored folk shouldn’t be married with white folk (else why did God place them on separate continents?). I won’t bother to go on. Some day no one will understand why people gave a shit about it.
We once had a baker who arrived wearing a wig and earnings. There was a line in front of the Captain’s office of good-ol-boys demanding the baker get fired… but they all sung a different tune once they tasted the goods. That girl could bake!
P.S. He also dressed as Marylyn Monroe and occasionally sang “Happy Birthday Mr. President”… I don’t remember being disgusted but I do remember laughing very hard and enjoying the cake.
[QUOTE=farmerfalconer;186347]Its not wrong and disgusting?
Well prove to me what is right and healthy about it. If you can prove how right and healthy it is, then you can call me an ass. Until then, keep it to yourself. Don’t come into a debate unless you are armed with facts, not just an arsenal of names to call people.
Now I don’t care, if two guys want to get “married” and perform sodomy in their own bedroom*. I don’t care, if some freak wants to pretend he is a woman, in his own home. Am I against these things? Yes. But it is their business and I can’t stop them. The problem arises when the whole population is forced to accept the notion that what these fringe groups are doing is totally healthy and normal. It is not healthy, and it is not normal.
In fact, it is extremely UNhealthy. And just as with smoking, the government should warn against it. At the very least remain neutral but not promote and force an activity that is dangerous.
The fact that the number of genders even needs debate is a sad indicator of the liberal overtaking of the nation.
*And don’t pull that ridiculous liberal defense of “Oh, well some hetero couples engage in activities you consider wrong too! So don’t judge gays!” Bull Shit. Two wrongs don’t make a right. If I am against something in one case, I am against it in another.[/QUOTE]
As long as you are not a member of Westboro baptist church, and shut the fuck up about your backwards political beliefs onboard, I don’t think anyone would have a problem working with you. And if people manage to work with you, why not trans gendered people?
And seriously, how old are you? HR departments was created just because of people like you.
[QUOTE=farmerfalconer;186350] I have no problem with them, just their behaviors.[/QUOTE]
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
Are you worried that you might enjoy that behavior? Having episodes of thinking how nice it might be to slip something in basic black and a nice pair of heels?
Feeling a bit insecure about your masculinity?
One has to wonder about those who are so adamant about the topic … most of us really don’t care because it really doesn’t matter.
[QUOTE=DeckApe;186351]It’s no different then those who once upon a time thought a woman’s place was in the home beside her husband. Or that colored folk shouldn’t be married with white folk (else why did God place them on separate continents?). I won’t bother to go on. Some day no one will understand why people gave a shit about it.[/QUOTE]
It’s very different.
Women are extremely capable of doing most any job a man can with a few exceptions (and many they do better than men).
To compare the LGBT movement to the fight against racism is an insult to those that fought for civil rights. The LGBT group is one comprised of folks that involve themselves in unhealthy and dangerous practices, demanding that they be accepted. The civil rights movement was built of people who were perfectly normal but simply a different color.
Science and medicine both agree that transgenderism is unhealthy and dangerous, the same with homosexuality.
Also, look back through history. Women were a lot more free and influential than liberals like to think. No, they couldn’t vote (and I think that’s wrong) but they held a lot more power than often is known.
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Why should I have to shut up about my beliefs when on board if they are not? If a man comes to the galley in heels and a slip he sure as hell is expressing his view.
Not a member of any church, and I am 20. I don’t see what that has to do with it though.
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[QUOTE=Steamer;186361]Methinks thou doth protest too much.
Are you worried that you might enjoy that behavior? Having episodes of thinking how nice it might be to slip something in basic black and a nice pair of heels?
Feeling a bit insecure about your masculinity?
One has to wonder about those who are so adamant about the topic … most of us really don’t care because it really doesn’t matter.[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry but this post is so ridiculous and lacking in content of any actual substance it doesn’t even merit a reply.
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Not a member of any church, and I am 20. I don’t see what that has to do with it though.
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Because you have the mindset of a 70 year old religious fanatic.
[QUOTE=Kraken;186365]Because you have the mindset of a 70 year old religious fanatic.[/QUOTE]
You were mistaken. Its the mindset of someone who sees things for what they are and still has an ounce of “common” sense.
Also, I should clarify:
“Why should I have to shut up about my beliefs when on board if they are not? If a man comes to the galley in heels and a slip he sure as hell is expressing his view.”
Meaning not that I should be allowed to spend all my time pontificating on board but that if politics is brought up, I should be able to have a say in the conversation.
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Science and medicine both agree that transgenderism is unhealthy and dangerous, the same with homosexuality.[/QUOTE]
What science and medicine is that? Citations please.
You don’t sound like a 70 year old religious fanatic to me, you sound like a brainwashed child of a seriously repressed social group which probably includes a fundamentalist religious component. It is a pity you choose to think like that, it will make your life even more miserable.
[QUOTE=farmerfalconer;186366]You were mistaken. Its the mindset of someone who sees things for what they are and still has an ounce of “common” sense.
Also, I should clarify:
“Why should I have to shut up about my beliefs when on board if they are not? If a man comes to the galley in heels and a slip he sure as hell is expressing his view.”
Meaning not that I should be allowed to spend all my time pontificating on board but that if politics is brought up, I should be able to have a say in the conversation.[/QUOTE]
Because it’s not his view, it’s who he is. And as long as he is not trying to convert anyone why should you care?. And why do you think your view on life is the right one?
You can choose to be a asshole you can not choose to be a transgender, gay or any other sexual orientation.
That was a common argument against interracial marriage. That the children of an interracial marriage would grow up confused and turn to crime, delinquency and other bad behaviors such as homosexuality. You can take many of the arguments from back in the day and swap ‘colored’ and ‘feminist’ words with the ‘homosexual’ ones and they’ll be identical. Society says it’s wrong, religion says it’s wrong, science says it’s wrong. Then the world doesn’t end and people become ok with it. Same thing will happen here.
[QUOTE=Steamer;186367]What science and medicine is that? Citations please.
You don’t sound like a 70 year old religious fanatic to me, you sound like a brainwashed child of a seriously repressed social group which probably includes a fundamentalist religious component. It is a pity you choose to think like that, it will make your life even more miserable.[/QUOTE]
That’s rich.
Neither of my parents attended church when they were children. In my whole lifetime I have been to services about 12 times total. My father was a registered Democrat, my mother an independent. They voted for Obama in 2008. I get up in a very large liberal town. I grew up being influenced more by liberals than conservatives. I have been to public school, private school, and homeschooled. I have been schooled in The US, France, and Chile. I have taught English in Ecuador.
I started working at age 12 mowing lawns. I worked for blacks and whites, Christians and Muslims, gays and straights. I have lived overseas with neighbors that were gay.
Does that sound like the child of a seriously repressed social group to you?
If anyone has been brainwashed it is the blubbering masses that have swallowed the mantra that gender is fluid and sex changes are healthy.
As for the facts you requested, go check the CDC, check with John Hopkins University. I can cite you actual sources if you wish but later, they are not saved on my phone.
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Meaning not that I should be allowed to spend all my time pontificating on board but that if politics is brought up, I should be able to have a say in the conversation.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I’ve always found it often better to leave politics and religion out of the wheelhouse, E.C.R., galley, and saloon. I actually have it as an unwritten rule in my wheelhouse in order to keep the peace. The crew usually understands this after sailing with me for a bit. Pilots on the other hand have to be cut off all the time. Every other country is fascinated by the U.S. political process and the rise of one Donald T-rump.
Trust me, firing a hot potato like LGBT rights into a conversation onboard a ship will not be worth the hassle. It’s likely to land you in my office with witnesses present and a tape recorder running while you explane your side of what you said and why you said it. Best to let sleeping dogs lie and just do your job. That’s the kind of ship I like to run. Got an opinion on the best beer you’ve ever tasted or a dynamite roast of coffee, bring it…
Oh, and while I’m pontificating on just doing your job. If you want to wear a safety orange, ANSI approved halter top because it makes you feel good, and you’re a cracker jack on deck, you’re welcome aboard anytime. To each their own. You’re young, you may change your mind with a few hundred thousand cables of prop wash behind you.
There are two trans people at my place of employment. I worked for one. The person was competent and qualified to do the job. Transgender people are on ships now, and have been. Most, from what I understand, are working for the government. This may be because the government provides more avenues for protection against harassment and retaliation. However, there are some out there working commercially. I fail to see the issue if the person is competent, gets along ok with others, and does their work. The person I have had the most trouble with since being back to sea was a man who was born a man. I have not had any issues with transgenders or gays. I’d suggest you let it go. There are a lot more things to get pissed off about in this industry, than whether someone has a dick or not.
I do have one issue where it pertains to children who wish to transition. I don’t think a child should be encouraged to make such a choice, especially where it involves hormones that delay puberty. BUT that is a totally different discussion and completely off-topic here.