SIU Apprentice to Able bodied seaman to Cadet

Does anyone know if any amount of sea time as an Able bodied seaman can be credited towards any amount of sea time for a cadet at a maritime academy?

I am not absolutely sure on this, but your very last question can simply be answered that it was not part of USCG approved training program. Many have tried and failed at this before you.

if you cant even handle regimental system that is not hard at any of those schools, then just forget about all of it.

bigger question is why any of this matters if you are already sailing AB, even if it is AB limited???
You can’t be that far away from sitting from 1600t mate, let alone unltd 3/m.

there is a recent thread covering academies accepting sea time they did not arrange for you. Start looking.

I was merely seeking additional information pertaining to the subject, not advice on “giving up” or seeking out a limited license. I have been told a variation of several scenarios pertaining to what does and doesn’t count. Hence why I asked the question. But coming from someone who has stood nearly 1,000 watches as an AB, I have had the privilege of working maintenance on the decks of several over the course of my 700 days of sea time as either an apprentice, OS, AB, and cadet all of which followed the SIU apprenticeship program which was somewhat demanding. I am 1.5 years away from graduating with an unlimited 3rd mates license and a bachelors in marine transportation. The regiment is not sh*t! As someone who is paying his own way working 40 hours a week, on top of my 22 hours a week at school, being exempt from some mindless corps activities would benefit me and my time spent greatly. I appreciate the words of encouragement, but I would rather seek out some advice I could possibly use.

[QUOTE=SaltE;130008]I was merely seeking additional information pertaining to the subject, not advice on “giving up” or seeking out a limited license. I have been told a variation of several scenarios pertaining to what does and doesn’t count. Hence why I asked the question. But coming from someone who has stood nearly 1,000 watches as an AB, I have had the privilege of working maintenance on the decks of several over the course of my 700 days of sea time as either an apprentice, OS, AB, and cadet all of which followed the SIU apprenticeship program which was somewhat demanding. I am 1.5 years away from graduating with an unlimited 3rd mates license and a bachelors in marine transportation. The regiment is not sh*t! As someone who is paying his own way working 40 hours a week, on top of my 22 hours a week at school, being exempt from some mindless corps activities would benefit me and my time spent greatly. I appreciate the words of encouragement, but I would rather seek out some advice I could possibly use.[/QUOTE]

just trying to help, sorry if it wasn’t exactly what you were looking for. I was not suggesting that you shoot for lower license, just trying to figure out your story.

I must admit that I am lost here. Is the SIU now granting BS degrees? Or did you get your AB ticket via SIU and then enrolled at maritime academy?

I can assure you that your scenario, experience, and original post , when all combined, will make a lot of us on here scratch our heads.

The schools generally do what they want and try not to bother the CG unless it is really important.

If you are at A&M (just a guess), ask Putty. He is honest, professional, and trustworthy. He’ll probably be able to let you know if it is worth pursuing.

[QUOTE=SaltE;130003]Does anyone know if any amount of sea time as an Able bodied seaman can be credited towards any amount of sea time for a cadet at a maritime academy?[/QUOTE]

Probably not. The requirement for academies is at least 12 months of shipboard training as part of a training program. If you had it before you got to the academy, it’s obviously not part of the academy program.

You can use previous time only if you have three years of service (including academy time), and at least 6 months as AB. This is not “crediting” your time towards the academy program, it’s qualifying by the hawse-pipe with the same service requirements as any other hawse-piper. The academy training is used to meet all training requirements for the license and STCW, but you need to meet the hawse-pipe service requirements.

“[B] Originally Posted by SaltE [/B]
I was merely seeking additional information pertaining to the subject, not advice on “giving up” or seeking out a limited license. I have been told a variation of several scenarios pertaining to what does and doesn’t count. Hence why I asked the question. But coming from someone who has stood nearly 1,000 watches as an AB, I have had the privilege of working maintenance on the decks of several over the course of my 700 days of sea time as either an apprentice, OS, AB, and cadet all of which followed the SIU apprenticeship program which was somewhat demanding. I am 1.5 years away from graduating with an unlimited 3rd mates license and a bachelors in marine transportation. The regiment is not sh*t! As someone who is paying his own way working 40 hours a week, on top of my 22 hours a week at school, being exempt from some mindless corps activities would benefit me and my time spent greatly. I appreciate the words of encouragement, but I would rather seek out some advice I could possibly use”

I’m glad to see there is no shortage of assholes in the pipeline.

I’m glad to see there is no shortage of assholes in the pipeline.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for chiming in. I’m glad to see there is no shortage of instigators either.

[QUOTE=SaltE;130070]I’m glad to see there is no shortage of assholes in the pipeline.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for chiming in. I’m glad to see there is no shortage of instigators either.[/QUOTE]

Says the same guy who was arrogant and rude to me in his SECOND post ever when I tried to help you. I gave you the same answer Cavo later gave you.

But then you go and delete your reply. Well, it’s still there for all to see.

[QUOTE=SaltE;130070]I’m glad to see there is no shortage of assholes in the pipeline.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for chiming in. I’m glad to see there is no shortage of instigators either.

In this industry there is no shortage of either!

[QUOTE=txwooley;130110]In this industry there is no shortage of either![/QUOTE]

and people wonder why companies prefer to hire non US citizens; hint: it isn’t primarily the lawsuits. One notices even on this forum that most of the pissy attitude seems to come from the USA contingent…

[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;130076]Thanks for chiming in. I’m glad to see there is no shortage of instigators either.[/QUOTE]

Says the same guy who was arrogant and rude to me in his SECOND post ever when I tried to help you. I gave you the same answer Cavo later gave you.

But then you go and delete your reply. Well, it’s still there for all to see.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for keeping up with how many post I have on here, I consider that to be extremely significant pertaining to the thread. I have always joked on previous ships that there are ass holes and instigators on ships, I guess that holds true to maritime forums as well. Too bad I can’t tell someone on a forum to meet me on the fan tail so we could resolve our differences.

Lets get back on track,
Your attempt to help me was you saying something along the lines of “just give up” and “why the hell is this a discussion”. So I merely told you why I was asking the question to begin with. Now coming into a forum and calling people and ass or saying someone is arrogant based off a single thread is somewhat ignorant when you may or may not know anything about the other mariner. Why can’t you just say something beneficial for everyone who reads the thread. I have noticed throughout the forum there are endless amounts of shit talking and bickering. Note I didn’t delete my original post in order to hide anything from anyone. I was trying to clean it up so the next person wouldn’t be confused by how it was phrased since you had difficulties understanding the question originally. This thread has gone far from its original intent and I would like to clarify what the original discussion was.

I had asked if anyone knew whether or not the SIU Paul Hall Center of Maritime Training was a coast guard approved facility in the same regards as one of the 6 major maritime academies? I asked this question in order to determine whether or not I could be corps exempt ONE semester early (because of a 3 year minimum requirement). ANSWER: no it is not. Although the SIU is a Coast Guard approved facility it does not fall under the Merchant Marine Act of 1958 which designated the 6 maritime academies and their requirements to license 3/m & 3/e officers, it is this classification which designates what is and what is not a “cadet”.

My second question was if you had sailed as an able bodied seaman on an unlimited size vessel could you credit any amount of that sea time towards cadet sea time, even if it was a very small fraction? I asked this because I am a cadet who is a few days short on “training ships” because of the limited spots at academies today. ANSWER: Is although you are required to spend a minimum number of days on a “training ship” defined in the CFR’s, there are some exceptions regarding U.S government vessels with permission from the academy. Now any case which isn’t clearly stated in 46 CFR, is left up to the academy to decide how they want to assess the situation. With exceptions for waivers in specific circumstances you may or may not be able to use any training that is not approved by the coast guard.

If you want to know all of the requirements/regulations pertaining to academy training, just refer to 46 CFR. Anything that is not clearly stated is something that you would have to ask a head official at the academy.

No the SIU is only offering associate degrees. But you were wrong because Piney Point is a Coast Guard approved facility, yet it does not fall under the classification of the Merchant Marine Act of 1958 designating the requirements of the 6 major academies. But regarding your original post the reason any of this matters is because I am a cadet attempting to graduate early if possible so I can get back to doing what I love, not because I can’t handle the regiment. Sorry if my original post was somewhat confusing but during my short career in this industry I went through the SIU apprenticeship program and upgraded to AB. After sever years sailing I decided I wanted to get a degree from a maritime academy because the industry in the next 20-30 years is going to be geared towards academy grats with the days of hawespipers fading out. I know from my experiences in this industry that there are exceptions to many rules which is why I turned to the forum for answers. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding.

No the SIU is only offering associate degrees. But you were wrong because Piney Point is a Coast Guard approved facility, yet it does not fall under the classification of the Merchant Marine Act of 1958 designating the requirements of the 6 major academies. But regarding your original post the reason any of this matters is because I am a cadet attempting to graduate early if possible so I can get back to doing what I love, not because I can’t handle the regiment. Sorry if my original post was somewhat confusing but during my short career in this industry I went through the SIU apprenticeship program and upgraded to AB. After several years sailing I decided I wanted to get a degree from a maritime academy because the industry in the next 20-30 years is going to be geared towards academy grats with the days of hawespipers fading out. I know from my experiences in this industry that there are exceptions to many rules which is why I turned to the forum for answers. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding.