Should I make the move to Maersk?

Offshore
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[QUOTE=The Commodore;117669]Maybe you should just bypass the CM job and go straight to Master. With all your years of experience, no reason not to. The ink is still wet on one of my chief mate’s new master’s ticket, and he is pushing hard for it after all of 2 years as mate. I am about ready to fire my 1st engineer who has the same mentality. You should take advantage of working for Maersk. I was mate for MLL for quite a few years before going Master, and it helped me a lot as they are very organized and have good programs in place to ensure success on their ships, imagine no different on the drill side. Don’t be in such a rush to hit the top, you might get there before you are ready and will live some hard lessons.[/QUOTE]

Uh oh!! Things not going well over there??? haha

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[QUOTE=Kingrobby;117746]Uh oh!! Things not going well over there??? haha[/QUOTE]
Not since you bailed. Wondered who would pick up on that…

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[QUOTE=c.captain;117700]You know, I could tell stories about the MAERSK DEVELOPER from now until Monday about how much it sucked to be an American mariner on a rig in our own GoM but frankly I just don’t give a shit!

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You sound like you are quite the piece of work…I recommend you become very quiet suddenly.[/QUOTE]

glad you got the point, b/c he surely didn’t.

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[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;117733]Yes, of course it counts as normal mate time. My point was that you cannot get a Master license with only that time, because time as SDPO isn’t time as chief mate. Also, I think you need to have a certain percentage of time on an actual ship, not just on an MODU.[/QUOTE]

mr. phoenix, yes, i covered no more than 50% of time as less than c/m would be considered toward upgarde to Master.

from: MARINE SAFETY MANUAL, VOLUME III, MARINE INDUSTRY PERSONNEL

CHAPTER 10: LICENSES FOR DECK OFFICERS

How is sea service credited for Mobile Offshore Drilling Units (MODUs)?
● Service
Service aboard self-propelled, dynamically positioned MODUs, which are not anchored or otherwise bottom bearing, will be credited without restriction toward all grades of unlimited deck licenses in the same manner as conventional vessels. All other MODU service will be credited in accordance with 46 CFR 11.211©. (MSM Vol III, Chapter 10, Section B(5))
● Licenses
Holders of licenses as master, oceans, any gross tons do not have to take any additional examinations when obtaining an endorsement as offshore installation manager (OIM). Holders of such master licenses must however, meet the sea service requirements for the OIM endorsement and complete the required Coast Guard approved training courses. (MSM, Chapter 10 (H), and 46 CFR 11.470, 11.903(b) (1))
Service on mobile offshore drilling units is creditable for raise of grade of officer endorsement. Evidence of one year’s service as mate or equivalent while holding a license as third mate, or as engineering officer of the watch or equivalent while holding an officer endorsement or license as third assistant engineer, is acceptable for a raise of grade to second mate or second assistant engineer, respectively; however, any subsequent raises of grade of unlimited, non- restricted officer licenses or endorsements must include a minimum of six months of service on conventional vessels. (46 CFR 11.211©)
5. Service On MODUs.
Service aboard self-propelled, dynamically positioned MODUs which are not anchored or otherwise bottom bearing will be credited without restriction towards all grades of unlimited deck licenses in the same manner as conventional vessels. All other MODU service will be credited in accordance with 46 CFR 10.211©.

i wish i was wrong, but DP semi-subs and drillships have been classified as convetional vessels. otherwise, noble, ensco, etc. wouldn’t be hiring brand new 3/Ms who can never get c/m let alone master license without leaving to work on box boats, tankers, and then coming back.

the bottom of this was dated 4/25/2013.

the IADC has their bases covered. when i get home i will try to dig up that reply letter from NMC/USCG to an IADC big wig. if it don’t find it here first.

I do know (personally) at least 3 if not 5 drilling mates with master’s licenses who have never been anything but a DP and non-DP MODU mate, as well as a few Master/OIM on DP drillers who never been anything other than DP and non- DP MODU mate.

I see that you were a participant in similar thread started well over 2 years ago that has been inactive for a good 6 months. I’m pretty sure that this is the same letter i have at my house.

It reads:

Mr. Cavo, can we revisit this? This affects a lot of people.

The letter I have is dated 02 May 2000, from Captain Boothe (NMC-4C) to the IADC. In there he cites MSM III.10.B.5 which hasn’t changed… “Service aboard self-propelled, dynamically positioned MODUs which are not anchored or otherwise bottom bearing will be credited without restriction towards all grades of unlimited deck licenses in the same manner as conventional vessels. All other MODU service will be credited in accordance with 46 CFR 10.211©.”

He goes on to write “I consider a self propelled, dynamically positioned MODU, maintaining station by means of dynamic positioning, to be “underway” even if connected to the seabed by drill pipe or marine drilling riser. Such service will be credited without restriction toward license upgrade for both deck and engineering licenses.”

how do you feel about this?

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[QUOTE=PDCMATE;117690]I worked at Seadrill and for the most part enjoyed myself there, the people, the rigs, the money and benefits was in the top tier, an all around good experience. I would also consider Pacific Drilling, Ocean Rig, Odfjell, Dolphin and Rowan good companies to work for in the Drilling Industry.

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I dont agree with seperating MODU licenses from Unlimited Licenses. We have earned the right to be Unlimted License Holders, the amount of BS we have had to put up with and everything associated with handling and dealing with the drilling operations make us excellent at our jobs.[/QUOTE]

didn’t say you didn’t earn your unlimited license. the jobs are simply not the same, therefore the license should not be the same.

does ANYONE really disagree with me that going from brand new 3/M (especially out of academy) to master on nothing but DP MODUS is the same as shipping? i do believe i have provided sufficient USCG proof that it is most certainly doable.

never set foot on anything that had DP (and it was a MODU) until took my absolute last USCG exam and flashing light i will ever take. shipping and offshore vessels vs DP MODUs are 2 totally different worlds.

CCaptain, Phoenix your thoughts?

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[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;117771]didn’t say you didn’t earn your unlimited license. the jobs are simply not the same, therefore the license should not be the same. [/QUOTE]

So when I take a brand new drillship out of the yard in Korea, and drive it halfway around the world, am I not doing the job of an Unlimited Mate? Or how about when I move that drillship from one continent to another? How can you say this when there are Unlimited Mates out there who have become Unlimited Masters with nothing but seatime from pre-po ships?
I agree with PDCMATE that we have earned our unlimited licenses…and this warpath against it is pretty played out, as proven by your previous posts from the CFR’s and USCG…give it up buddy…

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[QUOTE=nauticus;117776]So when I take a brand new drillship out of the yard in Korea, and drive it halfway around the world, am I not doing the job of an Unlimited Mate? Or how about when I move that drillship from one continent to another? How can you say this when there are Unlimited Mates out there who have become Unlimited Masters with nothing but seatime from pre-po ships?
I agree with PDCMATE that we have earned our unlimited licenses…and this warpath against it is pretty played out, as proven by your previous posts from the CFR’s and USCG…give it up buddy…[/QUOTE]

There are several paths to unlimited master which may not entail much challenge, the pre-po ship is one, a routine, domestic coast-wise run on the same ship may be another. It depends upon the individual, some of the pre-po ship guys are sharp, I’ve met a couple that are not… It’s likely many drill ship guys would do as well or better sailing deep-sea world-wide then some with conventional ship backgrounds.

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[QUOTE=Traitor Yankee;117712]Any boat can be pretty bad if you’re an asshole[/QUOTE]

that supposed to be a shot SIR! All I can say is I have run across plenty of other American rigmates from the MAERSK DEVELOPER after I said EFF EWE to them and all agree with me that Maersk doesn’t want to hire Americans for their rigs in the GoM but only does so because the government tells them to have a certain percentage. The Europeans get their US Federal taxes paid by Maersk but the Americans have to pay their own so the Europeans make more and still resent having Americans aboard in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FUCKING WATERS! More arrogance there than I could tolerate and no promotion for Americans to senior positions back then (2009-10). One subsea engineer with a downright miserable Scottish PRICK!

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Its funny, that this argument comes up, because a good friend of mine took LAP at Mitags in February this past year, and out of the 14 total students, only 5 passed all sections the first time, 3 of which were oil rig guys, and the only 3 in the class who were oil rig guys. And it seems everyone in the class was asking them how they can get an opportunity to come over into the oil field.

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So, if you want seperate licenses for seperate functions, then they should really consider making the CM/Master test easier four you conventional shipping guys, and maybe making it a bit more difficult for us oil rig guys who don’t know how to drive a ship.

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[QUOTE=c.captain;117783]that supposed to be a shot SIR! All I can say is I have run across plenty of other American rigmates from the MAERSK DEVELOPER after I said EFF EWE to them and all agree with me that Maersk doesn’t want to hire Americans for their rigs in the GoM but only does so because the government tells them to have a certain percentage. The Europeans get their US Federal taxes paid by Maersk but the Americans have to pay their own so the Europeans make more and still resent having Americans aboard in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FUCKING WATERS! More arrogance there than I could tolerate and no promotion for Americans to senior positions back then (2009-10). One subsea engineer with a downright miserable Scottish PRICK!

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I thought he was telling Ted from Noble that he was an asshole, not you this time.

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[QUOTE=The Commodore;117798]I thought he was telling Ted from Noble that he was an asshole, not you this time.[/QUOTE]

I never know with Traitor, but he did just give me a fine atta boy on my vessel ORCA thread so maybe you are correct…would be nice to not be the resident asshole for once.

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so young master TedTed…we here all want to know

if you are in reality Ted Kaczynski?

or maybe you’re Ted Bundy?

or just perhaps you are Ted Knight?

it’s gotta be one of em…

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[QUOTE=“c.captain;117783”]

that supposed to be a shot SIR! All I can say is I have run across plenty of other American rigmates from the MAERSK DEVELOPER after I said EFF EWE to them and all agree with me that Maersk doesn’t want to hire Americans for their rigs in the GoM but only does so because the government tells them to have a certain percentage. The Europeans get their US Federal taxes paid by Maersk but the Americans have to pay their own so the Europeans make more and still resent having Americans aboard in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FUCKING WATERS! More arrogance there than I could tolerate and no promotion for Americans to senior positions back then (2009-10). One subsea engineer with a downright miserable Scottish PRICK!

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A guilty conscience needs no accuser…

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It was a little tongue in cheek. It can be fun to poke the bear a little sometimes. I’d still buy ya a drink C.Captain.

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[QUOTE=TedTed;117619]Anybody ever work for Maersk? I got an offer from them to work on one of the new drillships as a DPO for about a 10% pay increase from where I am now.

What is the culture like? They said I would be going to several months of training before I even start my first day of work so that sounds promising…an emphasis on developing employees.

Do they promote from within?
Is there upward mobility or do people never leave the company?
Do the europeans ever get cliquish and snub americans?

Is it really the case that Sr DPO’s at Maersk must have a chief mate license and actually get time toward master while working as SDPO?

Seadrill seems to be the Promised Land in the drilling world. How does Maersk compare to Seadrill?

I just got my Ch. Mate ticket last month; been a drilling DPO for last 1.5 yr at one of the lower tier drilling companies.[/QUOTE]

If I were working at Noble and was offered a position at Maersk I would jump on it in a minute.

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[QUOTE=c.captain;117804]so young master TedTed…we here all want to know

if are you really Ted Kaczynski?

or Ted Bundy?

or Ted Knight?

gotta be one of em…[/QUOTE]

LOL. An asshole would NEVER post something like this! You are obviously a swell fun loving chap.

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[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;117814]If I were working at Noble and was offered a position at Maersk I would jump on it in a minute.[/QUOTE]

For what reasons?

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[QUOTE=TedTed;117815]LOL. An asshole would NEVER post something like this! You are obviously a swell fun loving chap…[/QUOTE]

HA! You sir have discovered the true nature of the beast! I do indeed get no end of enjoyment in wielding the great and most all powerful pointed stick here…

My brain hurts!

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[QUOTE=PDCMATE;117789]Its funny, that this argument comes up, because a good friend of mine took LAP at Mitags in February this past year, and out of the 14 total students, only 5 passed all sections the first time, 3 of which were oil rig guys, and the only 3 in the class who were oil rig guys. And it seems everyone in the class was asking them how they can get an opportunity to come over into the oil field.[/QUOTE]

as we all know, everything we need to know was taught in first grade and apparently on USCG exams.

when i took the Ballast and Stability control for MODUS (USCG accredited/approved) in 2007 with 9 others, i was the only deep sea LDO mate in the class (yeah, i know, whoopee dee doo for me.) 5 of the others were unlimited 3/m and 2/m. both hawsepipers and academy grads, all career DPOs. they ALL struggled everyday with that class , and only 1 of those 5 passed the final exam the first time.

if you’re reference defends your position with relevant happenings, then mine surely does as well…

deep sea mates ask questions all the time about drill ship / semi-sub modus simply b/c of money and the “mystique” of it, but rarely know anything about the completely different world it is. they are only interested in the money, and nothing else.

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maybe they’ll just have to do the opposite for the BCO class?:smiley:

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[QUOTE=“Johnny Canal;117848”]

as we all know, everything we need to know was taught in first grade and apparently on USCG exams.

when i took the Ballast and Stability control for MODUS (USCG accredited/approved) in 2007 with 9 others, i was the only deep sea LDO mate in the class (yeah, i know, whoopee dee doo for me.) 5 of the others were unlimited 3/m and 2/m. both hawsepipers and academy grads, all career DPOs. they ALL struggled everyday with that class , and only 1 of those 5 passed the final exam the first time.

if you’re reference defends your position with relevant happenings, then mine surely does as well…

deep sea mates ask questions all the time about drill ship / semi-sub modus simply b/c of money and the “mystique” of it, but rarely know anything about the completely different world it is. they are only interested in the money, and nothing else.

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maybe they’ll just have to do the opposite for the BCO class?:D[/QUOTE]

What bone are you picking? What is your point? Is one sector “better” or “smarter” than the other? Who’s ballz are you trying to put in a vice? Before you get all defensive and jump on your horse…these are simple questions from a forum member who’s been following the thread. What is your motivation?