Short sea shipping in the US?

[QUOTE=ombugge;194685]Two-way trade with Cuba has commences: http://gcaptain.com/first-cuban-import-in-five-decades-arrives-in-united-states-aboard-crowley-cargo-ship/
Although only two containers from Cuba it is a beginning. (The trade has been one-way only, so far)

Many see opportunities here, especially with the new Container hub at Mariel able to handle the new Megaships becoming fully operational: http://www.joc.com/port-news/international-ports/cuba-port-plans-be-transshipment-hub-after-us-lifts-embargo_20160518.html

Does this open opportunities for US-flag Short sea shipping?? (Say Mariel - St.Louis direct w/o transhipment)[/QUOTE]

No.

And anyone hoping for US fag jobs out of this needs to get their head examined.

Take a drive along the Miami River and see the floating Belize flagged junk heaps ready and capable to serve the US-Cuba trade.

Of course the esteemed Gov. Rick Scott Ā® is working diligently to ensure no Cuba trade can arise in Florida, so as to inject the maximum right wing political influence into the processā€¦

After all, it is ā€œthe free market rulesā€, until it negatively affects GOP votes, in which case a market stabilizing force is immediately required.

[QUOTE=+A465B;194742]No.

And anyone hoping for US fag jobs out of this needs to get their head examined.

Take a drive along the Miami River and see the floating Belize flagged junk heaps ready and capable to serve the US-Cuba trade. [/quote]

Yes I see what you mean. Lot of old obsolete small ships here: Other Watersheds 15 | tugster: a waterblog
None of these appears to be much of a competition for a modern river/short sea container feeder purpose built for US trade.

Of course the esteemed Gov. Rick Scott (R) is working diligently to ensure no Cuba trade can arise in Florida, so as to inject the maximum right wing political influence into the processā€¦

After all, it is ā€œthe free market rulesā€, until it negatively affects GOP votes, in which case a market stabilizing force is immediately required.

Therein lays the problem. Politic that is not tailor to the need of the nation and unwillingness to change.

PS> I see a lot of obscure ports of registry, like; Zanzibar, LaPaz, Basseterre etc. Panama and Belize have got competition.

[QUOTE=ombugge;194743]Yes I see what you mean. Lot of old obsolete small ships here: https://tugster.wordpress.com/2015/03/18/other-watersheds-15/
None of these appears to be much of a competition for a modern river/short sea container feeder purpose built for US trade.

Therein lays the problem. Politic that is not tailor to the need of the nation and unwillingness to change.

PS> I see a lot of obscure ports of registry, like; Zanzibar, LaPaz, Basseterre etc. Panama and Belize have got competition.[/QUOTE]

Buggy,

When are you going to get that there is no profitable coastwise container trade in the US because the land side transport network is cheaper and faster? Like Duh.

Now knock off the BS.

The Cuba box trade, if Trump donā€™t screw it up, will be serviced by foreign flag box boats via the terminal in Freeport, especially since Gubā€™ner Scott ainā€™t having no Florida based trade with them there pinko commies down Cuba way. All the rest will go by those junk heaps, along with the usual cargo of $5 bicycles and Chlorox bottles.

[QUOTE=+A465B;194742]

Of course the esteemed Gov. Rick Scott Ā® is working diligently to ensure no Cuba trade can arise in Florida, so as to inject the maximum right wing political influence into the processā€¦

After all, it is ā€œthe free market rulesā€, until it negatively affects GOP votes, in which case a market stabilizing force is immediately required.[/QUOTE]

Yes, the ignorant fascist dickhead will pander to the Cuban ā€œrefugeesā€ who shovel cash into his bank accounts no matter how absurd their demands.

I wish the federal government would stop all funding of federal projects and subsidies related to port operations or projects in all of Florida in response to Scottā€™s idiotic gift to his campaign contributors.

As opposed to the last 8 years of pandering to the rich of Hollywood?

[QUOTE=Bayrunner;194775]As opposed to the last 8 years of pandering to the rich of Hollywood?[/QUOTE]

Same tune, different lyrics. A pox on all their houses. Now we have Nero fiddling.

[QUOTE=Bayrunner;194775]As opposed to the last 8 years of pandering to the rich of Hollywood?[/QUOTE]

As opposed to pandering to Oil and Mining Companies???: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/exxon-mobil-tillerson-state-corruption-russia-sec/515244/

Not limited to USA, but involving North American trade as well as other world markets: http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=25274:algoma-and-nova-plan-short-sea-bulk-partnership&Itemid=230

[QUOTE=ombugge;194833]As opposed to pandering to Oil and Mining Companies???: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/02/exxon-mobil-tillerson-state-corruption-russia-sec/515244/[/QUOTE]

I believe our new administration will explore new depths of corruption and add more (but hardly new) chapters to the history of fascism and corporate ownership of government.

Go peddle crap that elsewhere.

What exactly is it in Steamerā€™s post that you find so offensive and damaging to your psyche that you feel it must be silenced?

Crowley is modernizing their facilities in Puerto Rico to improve their short sea service to that US territory: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/03/prweb14106892.htm

Surprised that these cranes made in Ireland, not China, like nearly all such deliveries anywhere in the world.

PS> Watch the loading operation in Cork, Ireland: http://afloat.ie/port-news/cork-harbour-news/item/35104-cranes-loaded-on-board-albatross-ship-ready-for-departure-from-cork-harbour-this-week

[QUOTE=Gimli;195816]What exactly is it in Steamerā€™s post that you find so offensive and damaging to your psyche that you feel it must be silenced?[/QUOTE]

I believe that my post probably frightened him. History provides us with a window into the future and what we are seeing now has been seen before. It should frighten people, but those who want to silence any discussion are the most frightened of all.

Why would you think your post scares me? Itā€™s not like the same crybaby lines have posted by liberals all over the internet. If you want to see fascism look no farther than UC Berkley where the ironically named Antifa group is beating anyone who speaks up against the left.

What makes you think that everybody who finds our new administration detestable (at best) is a ā€œliberalā€?

[QUOTE=Bayrunner;195850]Why would you think your post scares me? Itā€™s not like the same crybaby lines have posted by liberals all over the internet. If you want to see fascism look no farther than UC Berkley where the ironically named Antifa group is beating anyone who speaks up against the left.[/QUOTE]

Antifa is a small pack of thugs. Small fry. Seriously. I have no idea why people get all pissy about them. Thought you might be smarter than that.

Trump controls a bigger pack, called Homeland Security, US Military, etc etc.

By the way, flying soon? Get ready to be groped even more than usual. New TSA search regs. Hope you donā€™t mind a meandering hand around your junk.

Then again, I donā€™t know anything about your social life, so maybe airport groping is a step up for you activity wiseā€¦

On a serious note, you better wake up. Authoritarian crackdowns arenā€™t just for non-whites. All you lily white fellows are going to end up in the mill sooner or later, and you will not like it one bit.

Would something like this fitt for US short sea & river transport??: http://en.portnews.ru/news/238629/

The beginning of short sea shipping in CONUS??: http://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/227527/new-us-shipping-firm-to-launch-first-services/

While US is debating (and resisting?) Short Sea / River trading, China is developing theirs:

As does EU countries:

You continue to miss the key point that has been made over and over. It does not matter where the ships are built, what flag they fly or how lowly the third world villagers are paid, 90 percent of the cost of US short sea shipping is the anti-tech, do it the pre-WWII way, union longshoremen with huge gang sizes and guys with elementary school educations making an average of $140,000 per year. The longshoremen have complete control. This is why trucking is faster and cheaper than short sea shipping in the US.

Someday, there will be no container ports in the US. The container ports will be in Canada and Mexico, and all the containers will enter the US by rail or truck.

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