Seatime in the shipyard

Does anyone know where to find the guidance for U.S. mariners earning time in the shipyard, specifically during new construction (outfitting, commissioning, sea trials), whether living onboard or not ? I’ve looked through Policy Letter 09-01 and Parts 10, 11, 12, and MSM III with no luck. The closest thing I’ve found is 46 CFR 11.211 but it doesn’t specifically mention crew for new builds, just port engineers, shipyard supers, etc.

For some reason I though there was a provision for a percentage of time that was allowed, and it was different for engine versus deck. Maybe that’s an obsolete reg that I’m thinking of.

Just make sure the discharge doesn’t mention a shipyard and you’re good to go…

[QUOTE=Orniphobe;126167]Does anyone know where to find the guidance for U.S. mariners earning time in the shipyard, specifically during new construction (outfitting, commissioning, sea trials), whether living onboard or not ? I’ve looked through Policy Letter 09-01 and Parts 10, 11, 12, and MSM III with no luck. The closest thing I’ve found is 46 CFR 11.211 but it doesn’t specifically mention crew for new builds, just port engineers, shipyard supers, etc.

For some reason I though there was a provision for a percentage of time that was allowed, and it was different for engine versus deck. Maybe that’s an obsolete reg that I’m thinking of.[/QUOTE]

http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/regulations/policy/09-01.pdf

[QUOTE=jdcavo;126172]http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/regulations/policy/09-01.pdf[/QUOTE]

Thanks for this. My C/E and I was looking for this today. Some people here don’t know how to write a proper discharge for an engineer.

[QUOTE=jdcavo;126172]http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/regulations/policy/09-01.pdf[/QUOTE]

I had looked at that policy but it only refers to ships in operation that don’t or rarely get underway, such as casino boats and ORSO. We have ship’s under construction in our case carrying out training and commissioning. Our ships are not yet operational. Some crew were here before the ship was launched.

Would 46 CFR 11.211 be applicable to the crew in this case? That would help the officers but I don’t see a similar provision in Part 12 for my seamen and oilers.

[INDENT=2]I Port engineer, shipyard superintendent experience, instructor service, or similar related service may be creditable for a maximum of six months of service for raise of grade of an engineer or deck officer endorsement, as appropriate, using the following:[/I][/INDENT]
I Port engineer or shipyard superintendent experience is creditable on a three-for-one basis for a raise of grade. (Twelve months of experience equals four months of creditable service.)[/I]
[INDENT=2][I] (2) Service as a bona fide instructor at a school of navigation or marine engineering is creditable on a two-for-one basis for a raise of grade. (Twelve months of experience equals six months of creditable service). [/I][/INDENT]

Go back and read the entire policy letter It applies to several different circumstances and not just casino boats. You should be able to get partial credit regardless of whether you are licensed or not.

For what it’s worth, I received a 14 day “shipyard” discharge and as far as I know it was counted as 14 days.

just a note if it applies, zero DP time in a yard but sea trials do count

I’ve had the USCG give me credit a few times for work alongside. I think it’s like 4 days alongside equals 1 sea day, something like that, I forget, sorry. … call’em.