RIP LT Carter

Carter did not give away the Panama Canal, he followed the policy of the Nixon administration in eventually ceding control of the canal to the Panamanian people. Kissinger had warned continuing US control would result in unrest while the US was trying to combat communism.
The gas lines began with the end of the control by Exxon, Chevron and others of Aramco. OPEC cut off oil supplies due to the US arming Israel which really pissed them off. This was during the last of the Nixon administration and continued into the Ford and Carter administration. This caused rampant inflation which was only brought under control later by Volker who was appointed by Carter.
The hostages release after the disastrous rescue attempt due to too many fingers in the pie resulted in the eventual Delta Force. The hostages release was agreed to during Carter’s time but Reagan operatives had it delayed until after Reagan’s inauguration for political purposes.
The biggest problem Carter had was not understanding the bureaucracy in DC and being too stubborn to work with it. He thought just doing the right thing as he saw it should be good enough. He established the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge which is 56 million acres. Established the Department of Education and the Department of Energy which controls nuclear facilities and weapons. He established peace with Israel and Egypt which stands to this day.
He did OK for a one term president thrown into a mess and accomplished even more after he left office, more than any former president I know of who just live the life of the rich and famous off of expensive speeches.

Not all your fellow forum members. Some of us still believe in the rule of law and prize human decency.

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The main legacy of importance to Jimmy Carter’s presidency is that he created in Trump someone determined to do exactly the opposite. Carter was a failure as president; Trump (was and) will be the opposite.

Trump, then in his early 30s, watched and learned. No former president taught Trump more about the office than did Carter. The returning president is the anti-Carter.

For decades, Trump has been asking “What would Carter do?”, working out what that might be, then doing the opposite. Where Carter appeased, Trump would threaten. Where Carter dithered, Trump would act. Where Carter finger-wagged, Trump would fist-pump. Where Carter was weak, Trump would be strong.

These are simple precepts. They have sustained Trump’s leadership style from boardroom to television studio to Oval Office. The over-complications of Carter would be solved by the simplicity of executive power under Trump. Carter tried to micromanage everything.

Can you imagine Trump ordering the introduction of styrofoam cups for the White House? Trump is not a details man. He invites chaos and encourages churn. Carter was all cardiganed collegiality achieving nothing.

Compare the approach of both presidents to Iran. In 1980, Carter jumped through every hoop to find a peaceful solution to the kidnapping by student revolutionaries of 52 American diplomats. In 2020, Qassem Soleimani, the Iranian shadow commander radicalised by that undergraduate humiliation of the US, was coldly assassinated on Trump’s orders.

Ultimately, what makes Trump the anti-Carter is the president-elect’s rejection of the woolly progressivism espoused by his hapless predecessor.

Carter, in good and deep faith, pushed social justice and human rights as fundamental causes of American power. Their seizure by the educated elite, and the whole woke revolution built on them, is what Trump intends to wind back.

Really? You believe in the rule of law … for whom? Trump?

Please explain the campaign of lawfare against Trump, the Russia, Russia Russia hoax, the impeachments (including illegally as a private citizen), raids on his house, SWAT raids on his colleagues and J6ers (none of whom has been charged with insurrection - so there was no insurrection, was there?), limitations on prosecutions being waived to allow charging of Trump for invented crimes (name the felony crime for which he was found guilty - no even the judge knows), charging him for crimes when Sleepy Joe walks free for far more egregious similarities, requiring a campaigning candidate to be personally present in court four days a week during a critical period, idiot judges declaring valuations of Mar a Lago which are considered laughable by real estate experts and the banks that happily lent Trump money and were paid off in full (that’s the test, BTW, not a judge’s opinion), sentencing for his felony indefinitely delayed thus depriving him of his right to appeal which follows conviction (to be convicted, he has to be sentenced), Fani falling by the wayside as her charges are brought into question (after the election, mind you).

Oh and don’t forget the actual warfare (can we agree illegal?) of shooting and attempted shooting.

I could go on … and on, but you may have got the message.

Respond, please txh2oman: with your principled defence of this defining value of yours; the ‘Rule of Law’ as it applies today to President Trump knowing that the law should be blind to faces. Sprinkle in some of your prized human decency if you can find any in this situation.

Rule of law ? Human decency? .Interesting.
I think @Jughead has made an excellent recap on rules of law and human decency .He did not mention though “the rules based order” what boils down to: USA makes the rules and orders others to follow them or " do as we say but not as we do "

My question is : are You naive or…???
But i have concluded You are none of the above.
Hence i feel obligated to let You know Alias @txh2oman about the existence of the other world view contained in items below.
Time to read something other then NYT and WAPO or USA Today.






When You finish , buzz me for more. You know where to find me.

Happy New Year filled with rules of law and human decency.

@spowiednick if you read every comment I have posted on gCaptain over the past … 13 years, you still wouldn’t know me. You wouldn’t know, for instance, that I was deeply enmeshed in conservative politics for a portion of my life, that I have read some of those books (and even know two of the authors), and that I don’t get all my news from the Post or the Times and that I have never read an issue of USA Today.

You might not know that I served in the US Army and made an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, and that I still view a lot of current events through that lens.

Further, you likely wouldn’t guess that – partly as a result of deploying to 13 different countries, but also reading history and having a brain – I am distrustful of US foreign policy generally, that I find the notion of American “exceptionalism” repugnant, and that as much good as my native country has done in the world, it also has done terrible things in the name of her people.

You probably wouldn’t know that in my life I consistently have been every bit as critical of, say, people named Clinton as people named Trump.

And yet you feel the need to presume I am ignorant. Or worse, naive or stupid.

@Jughead I’m not a fan of the NY business fraud prosecution. All it did was add a judicial opinion that Mr. Trump is a shady grifter. That has been well known in NYC business circles for years.

The attempt to submit fake slates of electors and to pressure Georgia officials to “find” votes is more sinister, and does – if proven – strike at the Constitution.

The documents case was a slam dunk – the same charges and evidence that has in the past resulted in the conviction of a director of the CIA, multiple congressmen, and high-ranking military officers. It’s such a slam dunk that most people so charged seek plea deals to avoid going to trial.

Anyway, I don’t expect that anything I could say would change your opinion of the once and future president. I sincerely hope everything turns out as well for the people of this country – and the people abroad who have to deal with our electoral decisions – as you expect.

As for human decency, I believe this thread was originally about Jimmy Carter, who was, by all accounts, a fundamentally and profoundly decent man. He is the kind of national figure I can (and have) pointed out to my boys as someone to be emulated.

Widespread and credible sources, including the evidence of my own eyes and ears, indicate Donald J “Grab em by the pussy” Trump is no such person.

A happy and prosperous new year to you both. My guess is it probably won’t be as bad as my more alarmist friends expect, and not as wonderful as perhaps you hope.

Is that the entirety of your rebuttal of my accusation that Trump was beset by lawfare perpetrated by the Democrats, deep state and the DOJ and states? No other rebuttal? Is that because you are ashamed of this behaviour, this lack of human decency? I want to know. Do you think the lawfare in its entirety against Trump was a fair interpretation of your advocacy of “the rule of law”? Will it be justifiably and fairly applied to future candidates the establishment disagrees with?

Judicial opinions that Trump is a ‘shady grifter’ will disappear when the entire case is thrown out on appeal. But will that change your mind?

Nothing illegal has been found. On constitutional issues Trump seems to be coming out in front.

Er, no it wasn’t. Here’s the difference you deliberately evade. You know this to be true because you served in the army. President Trump’s case was not the same as all those others … because he was the president and therefore had the sole and unfettered right to declassify everything he took. He did that. There’s no formal process for that, he simply says something is declassified and it is. That process has legal precedent and I refer you to Project Veritas’ case to retrieve presidential documents from Bill Clinton (tapes found in his sock drawer). the court decided that all documents in the posession of a former president are the personal property of that president. Slam dunk to Trump, methinks. You will now agree because you champion the ‘rule of law’ ie that’s the L.A.W. law.

I support Trump, but don’t regard him as some angel. In a competition against a cackling idiot he’d have my vote every day. I also hope he turns out well for the people of the US and for us in the rest of the world. I want him there for his disruptive genius, not some middle of the road, steady as she goes, squishy wokeism.

Same to you. It may well be more wonderful that I hope. He has many enemies prepared to break the law to bring him down. I trust you would deplore that.

I suspect this thread will now be closed. Whenever I utter truths inconvenient to the members here they shut it down and ban me. I hope you believe in free speech and vigorous, if heated debate.

@spowiednick My prophesy has proved right now, it seems.

Agreed 100%.

Alias @txh2oman I have said:

Since You are claiming basis quoted in your post practical & theoretical experiences plus historical studies and apprehensive faculties, that You are none of the above , then one may conclude
You are irredeemable OPTIMIST.
May rules of law and human decency be your eternal companion in life and beyond.
Cheers

Your prophesy @Jughead has proven wrong this time :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

As one can see the "rule of law " in this joint is TRIBALISM
Lucky You and me the panel of chiefs has shown some “decency” and magnanimity .

And yes .Former late POTUS J.Carter RIP was a decent MAN but it seems to me decency and politics do not mix well.

That was his issue, he did not want to get down and dirty to get things done.
As far as posts being deleted goes, the server that runs this is someone’s private property. It might be annoying, but they can remove every 3rd post on even days of the week if they choose to.

Posts are removed or hidden by Moderators and Supermoderators. It may be their own decision as per “gCaptain forum guidance” or induced by incognito flags (flagged user does not know who flags his post and why).

So You and your buddy and the buddy of your buddy does not like the content or finds it abusive or inappropriate or You simply do not like the other user for whatever reasons and flag his/her posts . It prompts the moderators to take action. Default action is to hide or delete not to waste time for investigation and debates if wrong or not otherwise I suspect moderators would go nuts :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

This is what I have figured here but could be wrong of course.


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below is another example of just received notification of removed post. 2hrs ago. In comparison with previous example this notification makes no sense as an offending user can not trace back to the source thread and can not examine allegedly "offending/abusing/hateful/inappropriate " content in order to take corrective action and not repeat mistakes/offences in the future.

History views Carter’s legacy — and his many accomplishments — all wrong

Carter’s accomplishments were more extensive and longer lasting than those of most modern presidents.
(Catherine A. Moore for The Washington Post)
By Stuart E. Eizenstat
Stuart E. Eizenstat was Jimmy Carter’s chief White House domestic policy adviser and the author of “ President Carter: The White House Years.” He was later ambassador to the European Union, undersecretary of commerce, undersecretary of state and deputy treasury secretary in the Clinton administration.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/12/29/stuart-eizenstat-jimmy-carter-accomplishments/ (Gift article. No paywall)

Dr.Bugge . WAPO is your source??? Come on :wink:

Some may have a bit different opinion. Jimmy Carter: Why He Failed

What has produced an undistinguished presidency?

Jimmy Carter’s failure to set consistent policy goals—or more grandly, a philosophy for government.##

As you know full well I have a lot of sources of news and information.

You are entitled to your opinion(s) and I don’t have to shear them.

I do agree with this opinion, however: