I thought all you guys did was rant on the Facebook thing. It wasn’t until recently I was told of this forum it has been quite an eye opener.
[QUOTE=Jeaux Bawss;161104]I have been following this thread as well as some others with great interest. I notice not very many people have participated in this poll. [B]I would be willing to bet that the majority of nay votes are posted by non oilfield pro union agitators.[/B][/QUOTE]
Agitators? Seriously? I currently work in the GOM oil patch, and am obviously not working through a union. I have in the past and will return to it when my own needs dictate so. It’s not about money, just schedule.
So which is it? Too uneducated, too coonass, or too inbred to realize that this is really about some clown telling his own employees and applicants that something is [U][I][B]ILLEGAL,[/B][/I][/U] which it is most certainly not.
Let me know when my USA passport changes to an USECO one, until then…
Why don’t you just go ahead and kneel down to suck King Gary’s sceptre.
[QUOTE=Jeaux Bawss;161136]I thought all you guys did was rant on the Facebook thing. It wasn’t until recently I was told of this forum it has been quite an eye opener.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the show!
I see this poll has no more votes than the last time I checked. Is it perhaps that the GoM Mariners do not care about a union? If there were so many clamoring for this union would they not at least indicate it in this anonymous forum? What would they have to lose by doing so?
[QUOTE=Jeaux Bawss;161732]I see this poll has no more votes than the last time I checked. Is it perhaps that the GoM Mariners do not care about a union? If there were so many clamoring for this union would they not at least indicate it in this anonymous forum? What would they have to lose by doing so?[/QUOTE]
FUCK YOU SIR! 14 mariners say the “loyalty oath” is BULLSHIT and wouldn’t sign and 7 feel it is a load of CRAP but will sign because they fear repercussions. That equals 21 but only 6 total believe signing is the right thing to do which by my math is a more than 3 to 1 margin.
AGAIN I TELL YOU TO EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU HUMAN PARAQUAT!
It is fascinating to read about the history of American seafaring unions, and the heavy presence of Norwegian immigrants in it.
The unions pushed through necessary changes for the seamann, but the changes did that they were unnecessary and therefore they lost members which meant that they lost influence.
What you need is a new http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Furuseth or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lundeberg
I love the last tidbit in the trivia section of the Lundeberg link. It’s good to know after all these years they haven’t changed a bit. He set the standard by which the SIU still handles business to this day.
That’s the problem with USA and Unions, the mafia took control and just fucked everything up.
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/Archives/Committee/352/defa/evidence/06_96-06-18/defa06_blk-e.html
What I found ironic was that, even though I was seventeen, I was already representing the crew as a delegate of the Canadian Seaman’s Union that I was a member of. It was a union that was led by people who were certainly to the far left, but a union nonetheless that saw that we got through the war and delivered all the very important cargoes we had to deliver without a strike. No ship’s crew that I was ever aware of went on strike. We did what we had to do. There was never in our most harrowing moments, in my recollection, an instance of any kind of cowardice shown by anybody I sailed with.
We got through. Then around 1947, as I was leaving… I think I left at the end of 1946, but at that point something happened that left a kind of bitterness in me. Our government imported a thug, a real heavy-duty gangster from Brooklyn, to smash our union and bring in the Seafarers’ International Union. The people I sailed with who wanted to continue with the merchant navy, for the most part, I would say - or totally - were unable to sail again because Hal Banks established a DNS list - a Do Not Ship list - which is merchant navy talk for a black list. So those people who had belonged to the CSU and went through the trials and tribulations of getting all this cargo through throughout the war were then banned from sailing again on our merchant ships, because they were not in the right union.
I still don’t understand why that was done. There must have been a massive paranoia about communism or about Marxism at that time. The only Marxist talk I ever heard on a ship was very intellectual. You certainly don’t get that from goons of the type that appeared from the SIU, which was no different from the Teamsters at its worst and no different from the longshoremen’s association at its worst. That’s what we had to contend with.They came on our ships with baseball bats and bicycle chains. That’s how they introduced their union to Canada.
So I’ve always felt a bitter resentment that men who risked their lives and did the job were then prohibited from working in a peacetime situation.
I think it’s also ironic that in our country people who were called - and some of them certainly were - freedom fighters… But foreign freedom fighters from foreign countries were getting an allowance until recently from our government and obviously were being treated with more respect than our own merchant seamen were.
That’s my feeling. I don’t know what state the SIU is in today. I would rather have an intellectual Marxist than a baseball-bat-carrying goon any time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_C._Banks
Harold Chamberlain “Hal” Banks (February 28, 1909 – September 24, 1985) from Waterloo, Iowa was a controversial labour union leader in Canada. An American with mob connections, he came to Canada in 1949 to help bust purportedly Communist-controlled shipping unions and establish the Seafarers International Union as their replacement.
Yes but how do I know you haven’t skewed the poll by having some of your pro union friends vote your way? Thirty people is not a large enough sample to prove anything. I believe your attempts to whip up pro union sentiment are failing. The majority of your backers are mostly union tug Mariners I do not believe very many OSV Mariners want a union.
[QUOTE=Kraken;161746]That’s the problem with USA and Unions, the mafia took control and just fucked everything up.[/QUOTE]
Different unons have different histories. Not all union leaders back in day were choir boys.
[QUOTE=Jeaux Bawss;161749]Yes but how do I know you haven’t skewed the poll by having some of your pro union friends vote your way? Thirty people is not a large enough sample to prove anything. I believe your attempts to whip up pro union sentiment are failing. The majority of your backers are mostly union tug Mariners I do not believe very many OSV Mariners want a union.[/QUOTE]
Because he does not have that many friends.
[QUOTE=Jeaux Bawss;161749]Yes but how do I know you haven’t skewed the poll by having some of your pro union friends vote your way? Thirty people is not a large enough sample to prove anything. I believe your attempts to whip up pro union sentiment are failing. The majority of your backers are mostly union tug Mariners I do not believe very many OSV Mariners want a union.[/QUOTE]
of course, just like any good politician I pay for every vote I get…and I personally packed the ballot box here with my minions
You SIR are a miserable buggerer.…
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[QUOTE=Kraken;161751]Because he does not have that many friends.[/QUOTE]
You too can EAT ME very much…SIR!
[QUOTE=c.captain;161737]FUCK YOU SIR! …
AGAIN I TELL YOU TO EAT SHIT AND DIE YOU HUMAN PARAQUAT![/QUOTE]
You know he’s fake, right?
[QUOTE=c.captain;161760]You too can EAT ME very much…SIR![/QUOTE]
He could be arguing with himself…
[QUOTE=Bloodyshitcakes;161772]https://youtu.be/SZQXgEKKynE[/QUOTE]
hahahahahahaha
you win the tread!
you’re really a sad clown you know
have you ever considered suicide?
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[QUOTE=Kraken;161773]hahahahahahaha
you win the tread![/QUOTE]
only such a cretin like you would think that funny…
you NEED to commit suicide…
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of course but I still need to exercise the stick
I think his poll is lacking because he didn’t post what he doesn’t want to see.
ADD following choice:
Yes I would sign because I don’t want to be part of a union.
I didn’t pick either of his lame / skewed choices.