Agree, so we can move our conversation here which provides some history for newcomers to this topic.
For brevity, your basic question is why do I (MEBA guy) hold a grudge against MMP and or OSG/ATC mates right?
For the mates, they have reaped the benefits of MEBA membership for years without having to pay dues or otherwise be involved in being a union brother. They did this by always getting the same raises that MEBA negotiated out of OSG/ATC. When the time came to organize, it was MEBA who spearheaded the effort to get the information out, circulate the pledge cards, ALL of it, to get that process started and completed. When the time came to vote, they said thanks for all that effort but we’re signing with MMP.
For MMP, they were our longtime partner as we share some of the highest paying/best quality of life ships on the entire US flag (Matson, APL, Pasha). MEBA made organizing the OSG/ATC mates happen (see above). MMP used the work we did (which they never could have done themselves due to lack of access) to swoop in and get themselves a bunch of new billets (supposedly/eventually).
Both groups showed no loyalty and stabbed us in the back at the first opportunity they had. So… Yeah, fuck all of them and I hope this partnership (MMP-OSG/ATC mates) stays bogged down in court forever AND I am rooting for AMO (never thought I’d say that) to get the new APL ships.
@quetzalcoatlus : Hope that clears up your confusion.