[QUOTE=Tugs;173954]I sailed on a Large ATB that had a Female as a Chief Mate.
Within Six Months she was up in the Office as a Port Captain.[/QUOTE]
Female mates are kind of in a different realm. I figured that out when I took leadership class and learned about PDI.
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Our little miss prissy on here could learn a lot from working with Shipmates like that AB/T.[/QUOTE]
Would things have been so copacetic if you had been perving on her? Obviously you indicated that you didn’t.
I have worked in places that are nothing like what I have talked about. Mostly government and union related, and everyone got along fine.
Bad news travels 10 times faster then good news. Why would I log on to talk about how awesome the other ships I worked on in the past were, or the boat I worked on recently that had an all female crew was and how I want to go back but now have other obligations.
Some work places discourage inappropriate behavior, others promote it and let if fester.
[QUOTE=Slick Cam;173867]I was wondering when gcaptain forum would receive our own official self appointed Social Justice Warrior. No internet forum is complete without at least one. I believe this round of tirades makes it official. Welcome, Ms. Cajaya.[/QUOTE]
Well it was a smaller outfit and the captain had a lot of say so in hiring. He was sort of an out of the box sort of dude. I did think it was strange at first but then he explained to me that he prefered to have mostly women crew onboard because: generally, women have something to prove so they tend to do a better job, that sometimes they stay at anchor for a long time, and from his experience with too many guys are onboard they tend to get hostile and edgy, there were already permanent female crew members onboard, and that way he didn’t have to deal with issues of sexual harrassment complaints, there was a room sharing situation, and he said with a mostly female crew usually no one challenges his authority or makes too many problems for him. I think he is a smart guy. It was a professionally run operation, there was no funny business at all and I would go back any day. My current job is pretty cool too, so I can’t say I have any complaints…accept for in the banking department.
[QUOTE=cajaya;173991]Well it was a smaller outfit and the captain had a lot of say so in hiring. He was sort of an out of the box sort of dude. I did think it was strange at first but then he explained to me that he prefered to have mostly women crew onboard because: generally, women have something to prove so they tend to do a better job, that sometimes they stay at anchor for a long time, and from his experience with too many guys are onboard they tend to get hostile and edgy, there were already permanent female crew members onboard, and that way he didn’t have to deal with issues of sexual harrassment complaints, and he said with a mostly female crew usually no one challenges his authority or makes too many problems for him. I think he is a smart guy. It was a professionally run operation, there was no funny business at all and I would go back any day. My current job is pretty cool too, so I can’t say I have any complaints…accept for in the banking department.[/QUOTE]
I should have listened to a lot of advice given to me in the oil field. 1) save your money, and 2) never quit your job untill you have another one. I made both these mistakes, but have certainly learned some valuble lessons. I was an AB on a supply vessel when we were getting top day rates and crazy quarterly saftey bonuses. Then I quit to take time off in Sept. 2014 thinking finding a job when I was ready to work would be so easy. Haha, I was so wrong. I moved back up north and found a job with a tug company for over half less than what I was making. It is a job and I am happy I found it. It is a good experience and have added a whole new set of skills to my marine career. As far as river rats go the main difference would be how unprofessional they can sometimes be. I say this because the way they talk to each other and even to the Captains. If I ever reemed some one out in blue water the way they do to each other I wouldn have a job. Maybe it is just the company I work for I dont know. They also dont seem as smart as blue water guys. Lead men (glorified deck hand) kept telling me how long they have been doing this and how smart they are. Really 10+ years as a deck hand and still not a Captain! Are you fuc@#ing kidding me. I still have a lot to learn. I have only been doing this for 6 months but I think I will know my job with in a year. Every one on the boat would tell me what time we would be at a lock or certain town. They would say we will be there about what time and we are going so many mph. Are you serious!?! You are on a god damn boat! You are going nautical miles and you dont use knots for speed? Listen I unterstand I am on brown water and tow boaters dont need to know half the stuff blue water guys need to know or take all the saftey classes we do. So why would they learn that stuff. But I do not think it is unreasonable to think someone can figure out how long it will take to get between 2 mile markers. Haha. I have met some good guys on brown water to. Just not as many as in blue water haha. So all you tow boaters dont get your panties in a bunch.
[QUOTE=z-drive;173987]that eliminates way too much entertainment[/QUOTE]
I can’t believe how much free time that I now have, since I started having Candi, our (female) Kings Point deck cadet, doing my laundry. Now, I need the free entertainment more than ever. Don’t stop it now!
[QUOTE=Heat Miser;174021]I can’t believe how much free time that I now have, since I started having Candi, our (female) Kings Point deck cadet, doing my laundry. Now, I need the free entertainment more than ever. Don’t stop it now![/QUOTE]
Wonder if its the same one we had a while ago… does she still do that thing with her…nevermind
[QUOTE=SeaMonkey6969;174006]They also dont seem as smart as blue water guys. Lead men (glorified deck hand) kept telling me how long they have been doing this and how smart they are. Really 10+ years as a deck hand and still not a Captain! Are you fuc@#ing kidding me.[/QUOTE]
To me this is one of the biggest problems with our industry! Everyone wants to move up as fast as possible. If they run into someone that may just be very happy and also VERY good at their job, they are stupid because they do not want to move up and deal with all of the headaches that come with it.
As far as I am concerned No One should be moved up into a Mate Position until they have a minimum of 5 years on deck!
[QUOTE=Tugs;174032]To me this is one of the biggest problems with our industry! Everyone wants to move up as fast as possible. If they run into someone that may just be very happy and also VERY good at their job, they are stupid because they do not want to move up and deal with all of the headaches that come with it.
As far as I am concerned No One should be moved up into a Mate Position until they have a minimum of 5 years on deck![/QUOTE]
Agree with you about guys wanting to move up too fast. Nothing wrong with taking time to learn your job right. And nothing wrong with being happy in your position so why worry about moving up. Wrong to hold someone back because you don’t want to lose him, but if a guy is comfortable where he is and doesn’t want the challenge or headache associated with promotion, God Bless him for finding his calling.
I don’t know your side of the industry so can’t comment on the 5 years, but for sure a good amount of time on deck will not let you forget that when you get into the wheelhouse
A great career AB or bosun is a godsend and damn good party of any ship’s/boat’s crew. I would never denigrate their career choice and I get pissed when people shit talk them like the guy did here on this post. I’ll take a deck crew of career AB’s every single time!
[QUOTE=Tugs;174032]To me this is one of the biggest problems with our industry! Everyone wants to move up as fast as possible. If they run into someone that may just be very happy and also VERY good at their job, they are stupid because they do not want to move up and deal with all of the headaches that come with it.
As far as I am concerned No One should be moved up into a Mate Position until they have a minimum of 5 years on deck![/QUOTE]
If ABs or QMEDs made more $, I wouldn’t have gotten a license.
And there’s the old saying…when someone is upset because of wages, and/or a tyrant of a chief or captain, ‘don’t get mad, get a license!’
I agree that the career deckhands are great to have onboard, there have been a few I wish could get a raise to reward then for doing their job so well.
I disagree with the “5 year” minimum though. I haven’t worked in a sector of the industry that takes nearly that long to get very good at the job.
The problem is deckhands immediately get too worried about moving up and don’t focus on learning their job on deck thoroughly first.
[QUOTE=Heat Miser;174021]I can’t believe how much free time that I now have, since I started having Candi, our (female) Kings Point deck cadet, doing my laundry. Now, I need the free entertainment more than ever. Don’t stop it now![/QUOTE]
you saying you didn’t get enough free entertainment at the last place you worked stuck with DW on the bridge?