I may need to make a switch, we can’t keep having these batteries melt down like this.
The again it’s not a big deal because the boat doesn’t need them to run.
[QUOTE=z-drive;173902]stick with newmar man[/QUOTE]
Newmars are made in of all places newport beach, ca.
No self respecting gulf boat or chief would want any californian equipment on it. c’mon…
[QUOTE=Tugs;173774]This slow down has been compared to what happened in the 80’s. Well, I have first hand knowledge of where a lot of those fine Gentlemen went looking for work. The answer is TUGS! The complaining about you is better reminds me of how some of the Deep Sea (Large Ships) guys used to talk about the Patch and Tugs / Barges. They for the most part thought working on smaller vessels was beneath them but once things got rough (with shipping jobs disappearing) they moved to Tugs and to a lessor extent the Oil Patch. Once they made the move all we heard was how only they could do these jobs, never mind the fact that some of those that chose the Tug Route had same Unlimited Licenses that they did.
Now as for the Patch Guys that are out looking for work, I can see another 1988 coming for the N.E. Tugs Guys. The only difference is the Wheelhouse Jobs will be harder because of that pesky little thing called Master/ Mate of Towing that is now required. The Wheelhouse might be safe but all rest of the positions would be up for grabs.
In the 80’s Guys from the Patch were more than happy to take jobs by undercutting pay, by a Large Percentage. I was there and witnessed this First hand! Maybe this time will be different but only time will tell.
People wonder why is seems as though some of us seem to be happy about them losing their jobs, as for me I am never happy to see anyone lose a job, never mind a well paying one.
The attitude towards the Oil Patch workers (as seen by those outsiders) is well earned as every time the patch slows down they come running to those Tug and Barge Jobs that were Beneath them just a few months / years ago. So as a whole, I DO feel sorry for them but for the ones that have been running their mouths about how GREAT they are and how NO ONE could do what they do, NOT SO MUCH!
Feel free to slam me for my feelings but anyone that lived through what happened in N.Y. in 88 knows what I am saying is true![/QUOTE]
I was one of those deep sea guys that went to tugs in the 80s. . . did I think it was “beneath” me?. . . . Yeah, a bit. . .until I got out to sea. . . stayed with tugs and ATBs the rest of my time at sea, before coming ashore to work for ABS. . . never did the Oil Patch. Interviewed with one company, one time and the work and pay was not as good or INTERESTING to make the jump. I do know that when those oil patch jobs were going away in the 80s, we had no concern for our jobs on the tugs. Plenty of work available for hauling product. Thing is, I remember seeing bumper stickers in the Houston area in the early nineties that said, “Please God let there be another oil boom. We promise not to piss it all away next time”. I guess some forgot the history. . . Human nature.
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;173824]Exactly! (The only people I’ve known to sleep together onboard were married.)[/QUOTE]
Or, dare we say of a homosexual nature?
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[QUOTE=cajaya;173837]According to you. YA, must have been a different company. Where I worked based on my first had experience many women I encountered did not want to work in the galley but we’re stuck there, men where given priority when transferring to deck or engine from galley. It would sometimes happen after a loooooooong while (like maybe a couple years long)further delaying their advancement towards licensed positions and making more $$$. One guy got hired as a cook, it took him less than 6 months to switch to engine, I never really heard of anything like that as far as women in the galley.
I never heard of a female lead engineer.
If a position even for a lesser officer opened up they would give it to a MALE with less experience and time with the company whose license didn’t even cover the vessel over a female any day of the week. Having an X and Y chromosome trumped work experience and license of any size all day everyday! Maybe it was different where you worked.
Do tell where it is, maybe I will apply there when things pick back up. One thing I missed while working there was the professionalism on deep sea ships. If I could find a GoM outfit with a professionally run operation that would be great.
If it where true what you were saying I would not be writing anything about it at all.[/QUOTE]
“Lead Engineer”? What is that, like a Chief Engineer? As far as promotion. . . yes there is cronyism and I have been a victim of that as much as anyone else, but I can tell you based on what you have told us about your understanding of engineering, your gender isn’t holding you back, your attitude and abilities seem to be doing a better job of it. . . . .
[QUOTE=cmakin;173912]“Lead Engineer”? What is that, like a Chief Engineer?[/QUOTE]
Usually:
Lead Chief
Relief Chief
Assistant
Sometimes it’s used to denote the actual Chief when there are two “chiefs” onboard, like in the wheelhouse where you have 8 “captains”.
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“Lead Engineer”? What is that, like a Chief Engineer? As far as promotion. . . yes there is cronyism and I have been a victim of that as much as anyone else, but I can tell you based on what you have told us about your understanding of engineering, your gender isn’t holding you back, your attitude and abilities seem to be doing a better job of it. . . . .[/QUOTE]
Those of you that think that way, ask your company heads to have a third party post the real numbers then. Untill then you are just blowing hot air
my company pays mates one rate, engineers another, ab’s, os’s another. Gender doesn’t matter. Don’t need a third party to tell me that.
[QUOTE=z-drive;173916]my company pays mates one rate, engineers another, ab’s, os’s another. Gender doesn’t matter. Don’t need a third party to tell me that.[/QUOTE]
I’ve already tried explaining that to her. I think now she’s talking about who gets promotions.
yeah and it’s bullshit because many men get passed over for promotions for various reasons as well. Of all industries this business treats women fairly if not overly fair.
[QUOTE=z-drive;173918]yeah and it’s bullshit because many men get passed over for promotions for various reasons as well. Of all industries this business treats women fairly if not overly fair.[/QUOTE]
That’s been my observation too. But what do we know z-drive? We’re oblivious and so horribly ill-informed.
They need to make a sub-forum on here. It can be called ‘Tales of discrimination and persecution.’ Then cajaya can post away till her hearts content, there…and stop jumping in and derailing other discussions.
[QUOTE=z-drive;173918]yeah and it’s bullshit because many men get passed over for promotions for various reasons as well. Of all industries this business treats women fairly if not overly fair.[/QUOTE]
LMAO
In some sectors that’s almost true. It is great that you have only been exposed to those facets of the industry that are close to being rational and modern.
Apparently women are quite welcome as long as they are willing to sleep with two or three guys on board. The female cadet we had was quite popular and asked to come back.
You say you’re working with professionals now, but you don’t realize that you are not one of them.
You hate being a woman abd a vessel (ship. boat, tug, whatever.), but I’ll wager that you did nothing to help out out that/those female cadets that you basically are calling cabin hoppers. And by help out I mean warn them on the front end about getting too “familiar” with the crew.
There will always be guys on ships (commercial or military) that can’t behave around women. The only differences between the vessel and a rowdy Friday night at the local bar is that guy hitting on you is possibly your supervisor (cadet or other) and you’ve got nowhere to escape to. Young female cadets on ships, boats, whatever, need to be looked out for, and you as a woman have vested interest (and as far as I’m concerned an obligation) in doing just that. No matter how many times you try to push your harrassment, sexist, unequal pay, unequal promotions, etc. pitty party agenda for women in the maritime industry, it is not a blanket truth.
For all you know those female cadets you disparage on here just did their job, learned, followed orders, asked questions and had a good attitude, and were therefore welcome back. I could be wrong about that “wager,” but I find it more likely that you’re pretty much a bitch to all women and have no friends.
For anybody who gets mad at me for stirring up this “Cajaya” I was overdue for some GCaptain grumbling.
In closing, I’d like to recommend Cajaya for her very own AOTOS award.
We’ll just call it the COTOS. And the C stands for exactly what you think it does.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;173921]And by help out I mean warn them on the front end about getting too “familiar” with the crew.
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The cadet did not do much and was not expected to. I tried to warn her about it and she thought it was funny and laughed. Apparently, she thought any advice I had wasn’t worthwhile. Considering both of our experiences with that same place…maybe she was right.
[QUOTE=cajaya;173920]LMAO
In some sectors that’s almost true. It is great that you have only been exposed to those facets of the industry that are close to being rational and modern.[/QUOTE]
Then don’t fuckin’ work there. seems to be you figured that out though. I don’t like the GOM for other reasons, so I don’t fuckin’ work there and don’t bitch about it constantly.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;173758]Jeaux Boss must be a second cousin to Bernie Sanders. That crazy Jeaux Boss was paying his Skoal-stained ABs over $400 a day and some of his captain’s over $1,000. Some of those guys not only thought they were worth it, but they thought they deserved even more. Overpaying that kind of money, Jeaux Boss must be a socialist.
The oil companies are now learning about the importance of cost containment and cost efficiency. [B]Next time the oil patch picks up there will not be so much reckless overspending. The boats will not have twice as much crew as the Certificate of inspection requires, and Jeaux Boss will not be overpaying his crews twice what they are worth either.[/B][/QUOTE]
I and many others disagree with the bold part above. The O&G companies think this will be the new normal. But as soon as a turnaround happens, and it will, they won’t be able to spend fast enough to get the oil out of the ground. These projects that have been shelved will be fast tracked and no one will have the people or equipment to do the work. The laid off folks will come back with a vengeance and get 50% more pay, signing bonuses, etc. The service companies, squeezed as they are now, will squeeze every last penny from the operators.
Then the cycle will start all over again.
I think they’ve melted down beyond salvaging. We need to pitch these overboard before they injure someone.
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;173939]I think they’ve melted down beyond salvaging. We need to pitch these overboard before they injure someone.
[/QUOTE]My recommendation for post of the month. . . .
[QUOTE=z-drive;173918]yeah and it’s bullshit because many men get passed over for promotions for various reasons as well. Of all industries this business treats women fairly if not overly fair.[/QUOTE]
I sailed on a Large ATB that had a Female as a Chief Mate. We were in the middle of a Hurricane in the GOM and had the hatches blow off of the lazarette which had drain lines running into the Fresh Water Bilge at the Shaft Glands. I was off watch when the High Shaft Bilge Alarm went off. After heading down to the ER to see what was happening and finding the flooding, I headed to the Lower Wheel House to see if the hatches were gone, they were! The water was almost up to the top of the Tow Winch and only about a foot from the Boat Deck.
We had a emergency suction on the Bilge / Ballast Manifold and stored the 2" suction hoes in the Forepeak. So, here I am dragging Three Twenty foot lengths of hose through the boat when the fore mentioned Female Chief Mate Stands in front of me and yells “WHAT CAN I DO” I just about knocked her over as I really did not even slow down.
Once I got the down flooding under control and the weather calmed down I put some plywood patches over the hatch openings and got the lazarette pumped out.
Once everything calmed down the Female Mate cornered me in the Galley in front of the Captain and the Crew and said that she DID NOT Appreciate being talked to and treated in the manor that I did to her in front of the crew. I looked at her and said Next Time that we were basically sinking and you see me dragging hoses through the vessel maybe you should have grabbed to other end on the hoses instead of trying to stop me to ask what should I do. You are the CM and should KNOW BETTER!
Within Six Months she was up in the Office as a Port Captain.
I have had the pleasure of sail with quite a few females, most of them were very good shipmates but this CM took the Cake. OH, she was all of 5’3", Blonde and an Academy Grad!
If I had to pick one that stood out as being a Great Shipmate and a Good Worker, it would be one Female AB/Tankerman. I was having a real bad time with my soon to be Ex-Wife at the time so she took me out for a beer at Crew Change before her flight. After a Couple Pitchers of Beer she offered to take out my Wife for a Bottle of Tequila. I had to think long and hard before I said thanks but no thanks. For the next couple of years whenever we ran into each other she asked if I was ready! She was a blast to work with and gave shit as much if not more that any of the guys. Our little miss prissy on here could learn a lot from working with Shipmates like that AB/T.
[QUOTE=cajaya;173872]I made one comment about a truth that is both abundant and apparent. Proven by scientific studies around the world with statistics, research papers etc and captain pheonix decided to try to blame “my attitude” for something that has been going on for thousands of year, and is more prevelent in certain countries and -areas- of those countries.
My attitude has nothing to do with a whole culture or work culture.
Yea we have it so easy don’t we. Did I say it never happens to men? It should be pretty apparent who it happens to more though.
How about try this on for size: married men at work will try to interfere with a woman’s personal life if they can. If a girl is in a relationship, guys at work will try to interefere any way they can because they perceive the relationship as being the road block between them and the woman ( I know this because I tried an experiment a while ago at another company by telling people I am married and wearing a wedding ring, got probing questions about ‘doesn’t my husband do this or doesn’t my husband do that’)
If a girl starts a relationship at work she won’t be viewed as a professional and on top of that others Will try to spread rumors and sabatoge it anyway they can. If a woman doesn’t get equal chances for promotion and advancement she won’t be able to afford more time off or enjoy better schedules that enable work life balance to keep the fuckers AS FAR as humanly possible from her life outside of work!!!
I have been where I am at for a couple months now and not ONE person has asked me if I am single or not. When I worked down there it was something that I had to discuss every single effing day!!! That is just not right and shouldn’t be allowed. Being single or wether someone chooses to shit where they sleep or not should not be a discussion, and has nothing to do with someone working on a vessel in order to stand watches, trouble shoot, repair and enhance / help the performance of the vessels operation!!! Something is seriously fucked up down there, and it is NOT my attitude!![/QUOTE]
Ok, so you left and you’re happy now. Why keep flogging a dead equine? Every time I log on, you’re ranting about this. I’m here for a few minutes before I run out to do some errands so here’s your chance to take a few cheap shots at me because I work on research ships and I ain’t shit. You have 10 minutes. Go.