What is the minimum number of licensed officers required to be on a US Flag unlimited tonnage DP boat? or whats the normal amount of licensed officers?
you have to clarify
inspected under 46CFR subchapter I (Cargo and Miscellaneous vessels)
or
under 46CFR subchapter L (Offshore Supply vessels)?
[QUOTE=c.captain;77568]you have to clarify
inspected under 46CFR subchapter I (Cargo and Miscellaneous vessels)
or
under 46CFR subchapter L (Offshore Supply vessels)?[/QUOTE]
Are there even any subchapter L vessels that are unlimited tonnage American flag. The only 2 that come to mind are the HOS Strongline and Centerline. I think they are dual class also???
There are a few subchapter I vessels that are unlimited but even that number is small, when you say American Flag.
The majority of those vessels fall under the 6000ITC rule and are dual class, which the OSV don’t bother me so much, but the construction, dive, and ROV boats do, bother me a bit being a unlimited officer.
On those vessels there is a large difference between what the minimum on the COI calls for and what the company;s actually have onboard.
Centerline and Strongline are NOT unlimited. They are under 6,000 and dual classed as well. The company just chooses to man them as Subchapter I in a state of readiness for any overseas contracts.
[QUOTE=rjbpilot;77606]Centerline and Strongline are NOT unlimited. They are under 6,000 and dual classed as well. The company just chooses to man them as Subchapter I in a state of readiness for any overseas contracts.[/QUOTE]
That is kind of what I thought. If so I don’t honestly believe there is a U.S. flag unlimited tonnage subchapter L vessel.
Does anybody know of one??? Anybody???
[QUOTE=rjbpilot;77606]Centerline and Strongline are NOT unlimited. They are under 6,000 and dual classed as well. The company just chooses to man them as Subchapter I in a state of readiness for any overseas contracts.[/QUOTE]
Actually when operating under Supchapter D (tankship) they are unlimited and if any other vessel over 3000grt is operating under Supchapter L then they are considered as unlimited tonnage vessels for the purposes of manning, The 6000ton number only applies to Subchapter L OSV’s. I am not sure but the SURF CHALLENGER (ex DMT EMERALD) was a subchapter I vessel but I believe now is an L.
[QUOTE=c.captain;77613]Actually when operating under Supchapter D (tankship) they are unlimited and if any other vessel over 3000grt is operating under Supchapter L then they are considered as unlimited tonnage vessels for the purposes of manning, The 6000ton number only applies to Subchapter L OSV’s. I am not sure but the SURF CHALLENGER (ex DMT EMERALD) was a subchapter I vessel but I believe now is an L.[/QUOTE]
Yes sir you are correct the ex DMT Emerald is dual class, along with the 6 just like it OCLLC has.
This is not an OSV but maybe a multipurpose vessel. It has a drill station on it but its not the drill ships like noble/transocean has where the ships for long periods of time more of a subsea exploration type of vessel.*
[QUOTE=seaduced;77636]This is not an OSV but maybe a multipurpose vessel. It has a drill station on it but its not the drill ships like noble/transocean has where the ships for long periods of time more of a subsea exploration type of vessel.*[/QUOTE]
Are you refering to something like the “Island Frontier”
If so I don’t think there are any of those that are U.S. flag.
Ya it would be similar to one of those multipurpose boats with the drill station on it as well. The one im talking about is a new Fugro build that a friend told me should be out soon…
[QUOTE=seaduced;77640]Ya it would be similar to one of those multipurpose boats with the drill station on it as well. The one im talking about is a new Fugro build that a friend told me should be out soon…[/QUOTE]
Fugro is in the seismic and survey business, I guess they might want a vessel like that to do core drilling, which would not suprise me. However Fugro charters alot of boats from other companies, and just puts their equipment on it. Are you sure this is a U.S. flag vessel? It would be great if it is, however most of the time something like that will be Vanuatu, or Liberian flag. This would be the first I hear of such a U.S. flag vessel.
Thats just what i heard about it being US flagged… so if not how many licensed deck crew should there be per hitch if you had to take a wild guess? im just not familiar with the larger boats like that
The HOS Strongline had a Master, 3 mates, Chief engineer,3asst. Engineers (all unlimited), and an ETO when I was there.
[QUOTE=seaduced;77643]Thats just what i heard about it being US flagged… so if not how many licensed deck crew should there be per hitch if you had to take a wild guess? im just not familiar with the larger boats like that[/QUOTE]
Well it would be very cool if this was a real American flag boat that you speak of, I just have my doubts about it. Fuguro may very well be building something like it, but if I was a betting man I would put my money on it being foreign flag.
I have worked on deep sea construction boats for several years now, anywhere from a 90 meter American flag one, to a 120 meter foreign flag. Pretty much the same style boat 2 ROV’s bigger A & R winch and cranes. They have all run atleast 5 on the bridge, one master and 2 DPO’s on each watch, some times the company we were working for would request another captain to work nights. The DPO’s were allways second mate or higher on foreign ships. On the American flag boats were they can get away with the 6000ITC, not so much.
The engine room would have a Chief, 3 assitants, and most of the time 2 qmeds foreign, U.S flag 4 maybe 5 in the E/R
We always have 2 crane operators, 4 riggers, 3 or 4 AB’s and 20 to 40 service hands for the ROV or dive crew, then anywhere from 3 to 6 in the galley.
If a foreign company builds a boat like this they usually only hire an American officer, randomly, and it is kind of like drilling you are not going to get a spot on one of them without several years of experience in that side of the industry. Why do you ask this question? As I said earlier there are very few U.S. flag unlimited vessels like this around.
[QUOTE=ChiefRob;77659]Well it would be very cool if this was a real American flag boat that you speak of, I just have my doubts about it. Fuguro may very well be building something like it, but if I was a betting man I would put my money on it being foreign flag.
If a foreign company builds a boat like this they usually only hire an American officer, randomly, and it is kind of like drilling you are not going to get a spot on one of them without several years of experience in that side of the industry. Why do you ask this question? As I said earlier there are very few U.S. flag unlimited vessels like this around.[/QUOTE]
The coring vessel operated by Fugro in the GoM has been the [U][B]FUGRO EXPLORER[/B][/U] which has had some US mariners but mostly foreign from my understanding. I believe that C-Mar has been providing the crew to Fugro for many years. The website I went to says the vessel in in Brazil now so it is possible that Fugro might be mobilizing another vessel to the GoM but I also understand that Fugro’s international business has been weak in the past year and has vessels stacked at present so I would be VERY surprised that they would be building a new vessel and doubly surprised if it were to be a US built vessel. I could see them bringing another of their survey vessels to the GoM and then the question is if they would try to keep the foreign crew or replace them with Americans. Certainly bears finding out and if they try to keep foreign mariners, I know exactly where to file a protest. If anybody finds out please let me know here so I can notify the right people at USCG headquarters. I’m gearing up to fight this all again now there seems to be some listening happening in Washington DC these days…at least I am thinking that they are listening?
Btw, foreign vessels do not get to be operated as large OSV’s even though they might be under 6000tons. If over 3000tons they must be manned and operated as unlimited tonnage ships.
Also btw, there was a thread on the EXPLORER on gCaptain in 2009 [B][U]here[/U][/B].
Here is the info on their new build. Doubt it will be manned with US crew. Will be working Asia.