Norwegian fuel supplier refuses U.S. warships over Ukraine

Well lucky for you they seldom put folks in the looney bin for bipolar disorder or switches political opinions every month. Literally just a few weeks ago you said Greenland & Norway were safe from Russian invasion & today you say it’s possible your country will become a smoking hole in the ground because Trump won’t bend over to get scr@wed by Zelensky & handover the US governments checkbook afterwards. So which is it, are Norway & Greenland safe or does the US need to send mountains of cash to Ukraine in hopes of smothering the Russian army to death with it?

Let me complete the sentence:
has taken the side of Russia, embolden Putin to where the risk of an attack on Norway and other European countries has increased.
Only fools don’t change their mind when reality change, like they have these last few days.

One of the sillier thing that happened last Friday was the comments about Zelensky’s clothing. This is the way he has dressed since the full scale invasion of his country 3 years ago, in solidarity with Ukrainian soldiers fighting on the front line:


It has become his trade mark, just like long ties and baggy pants is the trademark of Trump.

Ukrainian comedian Anton Tymoshenko posted a photo of Vice President JD Vance, his pants hiked halfway up his calves at the recent CPAC conference, with the caption: “And these guys are talking about suits.”:


Photo: https://x.com/_Tymoshenko/status/1895563649521168713
PS> I see he is wearing an extra long tie in solidarity to his boss.
The “man spread” and rude manners are all his own trademark though.

Ukrainians are fully behind their President:

Ukrainians show off their ‘suits’ after Trump’s criticism of Zelensky’s attire.

U.S. critics of the Ukrainian leader criticized the military garb he wore to the Oval Office as signifying a lack of respect. Ukrainians say it has to do with the war they are fighting.

Source: https://wapo.st/43lRnr4

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I don’t know. Are you entering a competition for the title? :sweat_smile:

You are up against tough competition:


And that is all true. He has it from a friend in high position with a reputation for reliable and truthful statements.

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Sincerely, good for you. You surprised me with me that. You now feel threatened because the US POTUS has told Zelensky & the rest of the world we no longer want to be the “police of the world” & it’s piggy bank against Russia? We must have been doing something right before that you & the rest of the world never admitted to for you to now feel scared? I hope Zelensky goes shakes hand with all the other world leaders & they give him ONE POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLARS to rain hell & destruction down on to Russia! With that amount of money he can spend 1 MILLION DOLLARS each to kill every Russian soldier on the planet! You should start a gofundme account to help out. Good luck with that but hopefully the US stays out of it from here on out. You don’t need us. Europeans are fierce fighters who love spending big portions of their GDP on their national defense, everyone knows that.

BTW, about JD’s highwater pants. That just goes to show you can take the hillbilly out of the mountains, put him in a suit & drop him in the Oval Office but you can’t take the hillbilliness out of the hillbilly. As an unapologetic hillbilly, I have no problem with that.

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Dear Dr. Bugge
That was a nice one. Love your witty replies as always. However suggest You take the issues pictured above with the author himself. May be He will reveal to You his sources of information. Regarding the labs - just check Victoria Nuland input available on utube if not already deleted.

I respect Your view and opinion about Ukraine project but not necessarily agree with all your conclusions. You want Ukraine to be in NATO, while I would prefer it to be a prosperous , democratic neutral buffer between us and Russia. It had all the ingredients to become such. I am not sure I would like it to be a chief chihuahua dog among the small group of other chihuahuas due to our mutual historical relations which were rather bad.

And examples of Sweden , Finland, Austria , Switzerland show clearly one can be a rich and prosperous democratic country w/o the need to join NATO.

You insist on Nato membership together with your pet “hero” posing for modern day Che Guevara or Churchil with Iphone , it means to me You have chosen 'WAR" . I am not sure it be called WW III or other but war it will be.

So is the mission of your hero, what He has revealed in his resent interview with sky news. Link below:

https://youtu.be/Gq6wlYg2WTg?si=upTmL6TR_nSfLsZd

Cheers

Hallelujah!!!

Dr. Martin Luther King jr, Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Teresa, dozens of ancient Dalai Lama’s, Mohammed Ali, Major General Smedley Butler & a million long dead anti-War racket protesters are rejoicing on a celestial cloud somewhere. The war is closer to being over! Time for the Europeans to put their money where their mouths are. If they are so happy with the war racket in Ukraine, let them step up & pay for it. Zelensky will take every penny they offer. Or they will make peace.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-pauses-military-aid-ukraine-media-reports-2025-03-04/

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Yeah, this is not amusing anymore. Shit is crazy on the world stage.

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According to news reports the Kremlin is happy and saying the US is now more aligned with Putin.
True

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IMO, in my amateur political science mind, GREAT! Why you might wonder? Biden could never have negotiated a peace for Ukraine/Russia because he painted himself as an ally to Zelensky & foe to Putin. The Russian people would see a set down with Zelensk, Biden, Putin as a 2 against one & any peace or negotiation would be a US/Ukraine victory & Russian defeat. If anyone knows history or current events, they know Russia/Putin would never accept a defeat. The war would go on until Russia went broke, a coup or a faux victory via occupation. That would result in years of more fighting, milions of Ukrainian & Russians deaths & trillions in profits for the Military Industrial Complex that warmongering Americans love so much. With the Americans as a third party, I now believe peace talks can start. Peace is within our grasps. I know the Democrats & anti-Trumpers would prefer 10 million dead & a war-torn wasteland from Kiev to Moscow but I now think Trump, Zelensky & Putin will sign a ceasefire.

One more thing, I won’t see a ceasefire as a defeat of Ukraine no more than any true students of history sees the outcome of the Winter War as a defeat of Finland. Finland lost 11% of their territory but they won. They beat incredible odds & a foe 5x their size with only only 35 tanks & no airplanes. 1 generation later Finland was one of the best countries on the planet & Russia was a shithole like it has always been since the communists took over. Finland played their hand perfectly for the best possible results reality could give them. If Zelensky & Trump does this right, the same can be said about Ukraine in a short amount time. Let there be peace. God bless the peace makers, damn the warmongers & merchants of death to hell. Finally a possible victory for Ukraine. :ukraine: :ukraine: :ukraine: .

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I think what Zelensky was trying to convey was what this article explains.

But why alienate all your allies and declare trade war with the whole world on the same time? Is it 5D chess the rest of us is to stupid to understand?

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The article wanted me to create an account but I get the point. (Btw, 2 things I never do is create accounts for algo feed news or click on any links from the Russian influencer on this forum)

The lasting peace worked for Finland, it can for Ukraine too if they do it right & govern correctly afterwards.

I don’t know… but the threatened trade war in retaliation for all the fentanyl & illegal immigrants coming over the borders have been on the radar for last 2 years. If Ukraine can do half as good as Finland after the Winter War, it will be a victory for Ukraine. Also, Reuters is reporting Egypt has made a counter, better offer in response to Trumps idiotic idea of rebuilding Gaza. Before Trump said he was going to do it, not a signal county mentioned or thought about rebuilding Gaza. Good on Trump for making a country in the Arab World to come up with a plan?

Basically the article says that the carefully crafted agreement for Crimea showed that Putin can’t be trusted. Therefore any agreement needs to have severe consequences for Putin from allies should Putin break the agreement.
We all know Trump has had it out for Zelensky ever since he wouldn’t manufacture evidence against Biden in 2019 in exchange for weapons resulting in Trump’s 1st impeachment. Would Trump side with Putin to get even with Zelensky? You bet. He’s always been Putin fan anyway.

Yeah I can see some logic in throwing out wild ideas to force others to come up with something realistic, but to do it all in the first months?
Whats the end game? If it’s to pivot to the pacific and have the epic showdown with China that a lot of people are waiting on, should you maybe have a bunch of allies in North America and Europe willing to sell you stuff? Or are USA speed running the highlights of the end of the Roman Empire?

Speaking of that, what I hope for, forsee, 6 months from now Russians won’t be killing Ukrainians, Ukrainians won’t be killing Russians & Democrats will be absolutely livid all the killing & destruction is over because Trump will take credit for it. Sure, Ukraine will lose about 11% of their territory like Finland did after the Winter War but when Putin dies & coolers heads take over, they might get it back. The best the warmongering Anti-Trumpers can hope for is another Democrat President in office after Trump to let Russia invade again like they did with Obama & Biden. Is it a coincidence Putin only invades Ukraine when the Democrats are in charge? Its like Putin & the Dems are in cahoots or something?

I don’t know that either. My hope as a Libertarian with fighting age sons is Trumps plans isn’t on China either. Most moderate & right leaning Americans I know no longer wants the US to be police of the world. Business is better than war. Let Europe take care of Europe, let the US focus of protecting our own borders for a change? From what I can tell, for the last 20 years, its mostly the baby boomer liberals who wants war all the time now.

I just read an interview of J.D Vance & he described the war in Ukraine & the path to peace near perfectly. It seems it’s only the military industrial complex, anti-Trumpers & Democrats who want the murdering, suffering, raping, maiming & destruction of the environment to go on in Ukraine indefinitely. Anybody with a lick of political common sense knows it would take a WW3, trillions of dollars with tens of millions dead to get Zelensky to the gates of Moscow to get Putin to surrender. But the Democrats don’t care, they’d kill every man, woman & child in Europe if they thought it would spite Trump. Here’s parts of Vance’s common sense interview that the warmongers will hate.


"I think our European friends, frankly, are really doing a disservice to the Ukrainians because their own populations are saying, ‘We’re not going to fund this war indefinitely,’” Vance argued.

"Zelensky, he goes to Europe and a lot of our European friends puff him up, They say, you know, ‘You’re a freedom fighter. You need to keep fighting forever.’ Well, fighting forever with what? With whose money? With whose ammunition? and with whose lives? The president is actually taking a much more realistic perspective and saying, ‘This can’t go on forever. We can’t fund this thing forever. The Ukrainians can’t fight forever. So let’s bring this thing to a peaceful settlement,’” he added.

"When you talk to leaders in private, whether they’re Ukrainian or European, when you talk to people in private, they will tell you this cannot go on forever,” he said. “There aren’t enough Ukrainian lives, there isn’t enough American money, and there isn’t enough ammunition to fund this thing indefinitely.”

"The only realistic pathway to bring this thing to a settlement is President Trump’s pathway. We encourage both President Zelensky and President Putin to follow that path.”

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If only there were work visas that allowed foreigners to come and work these low paying and labor intensive jobs…oh wait, there has been for decades.

So the whole affair was just a big storm in a glass that was hyped to the state of hysteria by those who dream hopelesly about united Europe showing some muscle what evidently it has not.

A mere entry into F.B. profile what evidently revealed itself as virtue signalling caused so much hope in some chihuahua dogs that caused the majority of their news outlets to explode with ridiculous titles/articles.

You should see the local tabloids claiming : " the GIANT ( europe) has awakened " copied from the tweet of my uterly stupid prime minister , “Europe is rising against the agent Pumpkin” , " A giant fuel supplier from Norway shows us the right path to deal with America" .

I could go on forever with equally stupid slogans . And the root cause of this empty battle cries against USA was this FB virtue signaling call that ended like a flash in tha pan, when the Gov. of Norway figured it was time to intervene and nip the NONSENSE in the bud.

I am horrified to observe that some still think the " united Europe " can continue it’s crazy escapades und Drang nach Osten without the US military and economical might firmly behind them " as long as it takes"

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Looks to me the fuel supplier topic has sort of expired and has morphed into politicaly charged sth else.

Have just finished viewing the awards winning film Anora , that left me in a state of amazement. Taking into account turbulent events of the last 12 months I am wondering if Hollywood is following the american politics or may be the politics is following Hollywood.

Who is the oligarch and who is the bitch and if the sudden rapprochement is a good hint, that one may see both Putin and Trump awarded in the very near future the Nobel Peace prize. Could be interesting . Could it not?? :winking_face_with_tongue: