Isn’t that because those are considered two separate voyages?
Seattle - Victoria. End of voyage, stamp into Canada. (Don’t pack you bags cause you don’t actually have to disembark.)
Victoria - Seattle. End of second voyage, stamp into United States.
Several years ago a company (not NCLA or AHC) would go through Hawaii with a quick lap out to Kiribati. They wouldn’t stop or even slow down, just get close enough in the middle of the night to claim ‘voyage over, stamp the passports, start a new voyage’.
That’s how they get past some of the restrictions.
Hawaii to Kiribati is a distance of 3841 km (Approx. 2000 n.miles) so not a “quick jump”
The “restrictions” are US made and by US Law only.
I don’t know if you have noticed, but US law applies in USA only and are not applicable to foreign ships in International waters- International shipping has to comply with internationally agreed rules and regulations, flag state laws and laws of the port and coast state when inside territorial waters.
The US may apply special rules and regulations for ships under their own flag, or for ships within their jurisdictions, but otherwise have to comply with the same rules and laws as everybody else.
That US ships (or US seafarers) gets special treatment, one way or the other, is not in accordance with the letter or intention of the international rules, or maritime law…
I’m not sure if this actually happens, or if it is more frequent now than before Trump got elected.
PS> On thing I have noticed is that some US servicemen and seafarers appears to think that they do not have to comply with local rules and laws when in foreign ports.
Senor Bugge. I’m not going to take the bait as you clearly didn’t fully understand what I was saying. I do not feel I’m above the law, but a German port state inspector making comments about the current state of American politics, followed by the laundry list of IMO resolutions we haven’t as a nation signed onto, then start to white glove inspect my ship like it was 3 years old is something that didn’t exist 5 years ago.
The entirety of the country do not support this president nor should we be punished for his existence in matters of regulatory compliance. We do our jobs and then get raked over the coals because of it and it pisses me off.
Most countries have cabotage laws that do not allow transporting freight or passengers by foreign-flagged ships between the country’s ports. The passengers must visit a foreign port before returning to the initial one.
In the Mediterranean, this is easily done with the many countries surrounding this sea.
From Hawaii, it is much more difficult; nobody will fly to Hawaii, cruising to Vancouver, return to Hawaii and fly back home. Only going south would attract passengers…
In the early 2000’s Norwegian Cruise Line NCL with their foreign-flagged ship ‘Norwegian Wind’, organized return-trips from Oahu to the Fanning Atoll (today = Tabuaeran) in Kiribati’s Line Islands. Fanning is just 1050 NM south of Oahu.
On Fanning, NCL built a sort of holiday-village. The Ship anchored off the lagoon’s pass and tenders carried the passengers to the village.
This worked well. Just rounding the atoll and stamping the passports may have happened (or not), when heavy weather did not allow using the tenders.
In 2005, NCL had the US-flagged ‘Pride of America’ based at Oahu; the need for the Fanning tours declined. In 2007, NCL sold the ‘Norwegian Wind’, and the Fanning Atoll went to sleep again…
Yes this is true. Fanning used to be an important station on the Pacific Telegraph Cable before and after WWII, but fell into obscurity when the cable station closed. Aside from the Plantation Manager and his family there were few “outsiders” or visitors on the island.
The short history of NCL cruise ships revived the place for a while, with lots of activity on the beaches and the handicraft shops:
But it was short lived. When NCL cancelled their calls at Fanning, it went back to be a backwater.
There are some cruise ships calls again, but it is infrequent and by different cruse operators:
Some calls are as part of world around cruises, to break up long sea passages.
None of this changes the facts that US Laws are only applicable in US territorial waters and to US flag vessels. (Even if the US would like it to be extraterritorial)
Yes it applies to tourists (of many nations) as well.
I have observed this behaviour in over 60 years of travelling and working in many parts of the world (with my eyes open and w/o bias towards any particular races or nationalities)
In your opinion troll = anybody with a different view on things then yours?
In that case I’m a “troll” I presume. (See the comment above for the background of my views)
No, Americans that have been brainwashed into believe in their exceptionalism and never opened their eyes to the falsehood of that belief.
As I have said many times here " Race and nationality isn’t a qualification for anything"
The passport you carry does not give you superiority over anybody else, nor should you expect so.
PS> When you are outside your own country, YOU are the foreigner.
D.Y.
Situations like the one you just described can happen regardless of the current administration. In the mid-90s I was Chief Mate aboard a product tanker at a Shell terminal in Rotterdam. The Port State Control inspector was expressing extreme displeasure with the ship’s cargo system oil content monitor to me and the Shell port captain. I pointed out that the system was approved by our flag state authority (USCG) and had a valid certificate of compliance with the applicable MARPOL requirements issued by the classification society (ABS.) As this was going on the ship’s master showed up and reiterated what I had said. At the this point the Dutch PSC inspector (who a young man in his twenties and definitely a bureaucrat and not a mariner) told our Captain: “…I have seen all the American T.V. shows, where you are innocent until proven guilty, but this isn’t America, is it?” This led to he and the Shell port captain getting into a very agitated shouting match in what I assume was some very colorful Dutch. The Shell port captain later said that he did not like the PSC inspector speaking disrespectfully to a ship’s master.
Coral Princess is next to dock in Miami and dump their sick. Those passengers are treated like animals.
His mother, 72-year-old Grace Nahm, got sick first, then his dad, 71-year-old Peter Nahm.
Paul said last night, his parents put him on speakerphone as a crew member came into their cabin and tried to separate them into different rooms. His parents were panicking, he said, because Peter hadn’t gotten any medical care in three days and only ate and drank because his wife helped him.
The crew member eventually agreed to not separate the couple, but told them they needed to sign a waiver accepting the risk. The crew member told his parents that if they signed the waiver they would not receive medical care on the ship going forward.
Paul called it “atrocious” and said he’s complained to Princess Cruises for days.
“The company has stopped all sailings until at least mid-May and ran into a stone wall of resistance in Congress about funding a bailout because it is domiciled in Liberia, not the United States.”
They gave it a shot but no use crying over spilled milk. I guess now is the time to buy.
That SA pump piece is funny. Carnival is going to have to draw down all their revolvers issue more junk bonds and they use past earnings as indication of ability to service debt since, of course future cash flow will be about the same, maybe a little less. PE ratios are worthless now as are P/FCF as no one knows the future in this uncharted territory the world is in. I wish I knew but though blessed with two balls at birth neither one is crystal so I will guard my cash stash for awhile.
