[QUOTE=KrustySalt;176546]Do you even know what you’re talking about or are you just pecking away on a keyboard?[/QUOTE]
Mostly pecking away. Don’t give a flying fuck about USA and Imperial units, just trying to keep the thread going.
By taking it so far off topic that mapquest couldn’t find its way back?
I never liked tugs with 149 prime movers.
[QUOTE=KrustySalt;176529]Hey boy wonder, putting up speed limit signs with both speeds still costs money and when you pump something in gallons, it doesn’t just switch to a metric read out.[/QUOTE]
Good example of how using two systems cost more then changing to metrics and forget the conversions to imperial units. One speed limit for all.
A pump does not pump in gallons or liters, it just pump liquids. Modern metering system can be programmed to record whichever unit of measurement you want.
Likewise, the price can be displayed in /Gal. or /Ltr. as you want and the total cost, incl. any tax etc. calculated, displayed and deducted from your credit card just like is done now. The cost of a full tank does not change.
The problem is that you think in gallons not liters. If you can not (or will not), learn anything else, you will not be able to change, even if it is to your obvious advantage.
Oh, I know liters. I think of liters when it comes to party liquor, ounces when it comes to beer. It’s good not to discriminate.
[QUOTE=Tugs;176537]Why the Fuck does someone that DOES NOT Live here care what system we choose to use! It pisses me off when people want to knock or change the way we do things when they have little to no connection to the U.S. I am sure that what ever Country you are from is PERFECT in every way.
Why don’t you post where you live (if you have done so already please do it again) so we can discuss how great it is and how there is nothing that could be improved. Also, why do you continue posting on a (for the most part) U.S. based Forum? Maybe you should start your own Forum and base it on how things are done in your part of the world.
The U.S. is one of the few Countries where you can move here and still act as you did in your Home Land. I am sure that if I moved to your Country and Few the American Flag everywhere there would be NO problem.
Sorry for the rant but these are my feelings and if you don’t like it don’t read or reply.[/QUOTE]
I have lived and worked outside the country of my birth most of my life and has not felt any pressure to change how I live and what I eat or whatever. Some thing changes, but not because of pressure from others.
But I’m all with you on the criticism of those countries where they have problem with accepting that people that move there doesn’t change to their way of life immediately. Norway has this problem, as has many other European countries. At the same time they get tears in their eyes when there is reports of their countrymen living in the US or whatever that keep up some of the customs from “the old country” (eating Lefse and Lutefisk etc.)
I disagree with you that this forum should be reserved for Americans, or those who live there and with generally the same opinions. That give you little in way of a healthy discussion, or an exchange of ideas.
[QUOTE=Bayrunner;176556]By taking it so far off topic that mapquest couldn’t find its way back?[/QUOTE]
I take credit for that.
In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie1 of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade — which is 1 percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same amount has exactly one mole of atoms in it. Whereas in the American system, the answer to ‘How much energy does it take to boil a room-temperature gallon of water?’ is ‘Go fuck yourself,’ because you can’t directly relate any of those quantities. - Wild Thing by Josh Bazell.
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Ok. I’ll get this thread back to T. Parker Host hiring mariners for its new tug.
A friend called last night and told me that he had a call from a recruiter about this boat. Supposedly, they need one more mate. Mate pays $350 a day, 14/14 with only a half days pay on crew change days. No Travel, low quality benefits.
Metric math tells me that (13x350) - ($600 for typical travel) / 14 = an effective day rate of only $282.14 a day!
What does this mean? I don’t care whether you measure this in inches, centimeters, pounds, Euros or dollars, $282 a day is an outrage. Is this ridiculously low pay typical for Chesapeake Bay? Is Chesapeake Bay full of desperate retards that will work for almost nothing? Or is Host just another scumbag outfit trying to take advantage of desperate Mariners in desperate times?
As as a matter of principle, no licensed Mate of Towing should be sailing mate for only $282 a day. Anyone who does, does himself and his fellow mariners a real disservice.
T. Parker Host should be ashamed of himself. He makes Jeaux Boss look like a prince.
I have to ask since i don’t know your tax benefits and tax level, what will that amount to in a year after taxes?
[QUOTE=Kraken;176877]I have to ask since i don’t know your tax benefits and tax level, what will that amount to in a year after taxes?[/QUOTE]
When a good employer pays travel, that is not taxed. When a sail pays travel it comes out of his after tax income, but sometimes he can claim a tax deduction on his annual tax return.
$282 x 182 = $51,324 before taxes. Taxes are probably about one third, so roughly $34,000 a year after taxes. If the sailor has half a dozen kids, he might qualify for food stamps, subsidized housing ect.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;176878]When a good employer pays travel, that is not taxed. When a sail pays travel it comes out of his after tax income, but sometimes he can claim a tax deduction on his annual tax return.
$282 x 182 = $51,324 before taxes. Taxes are probably about one third, so roughly $34,000 a year after taxes. If the sailor has half a dozen kids, he might qualify for food stamps, subsidized housing ect.[/QUOTE]
Damn, that was not much pay as a mate.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;176878]When a good employer pays travel, that is not taxed. When a sail pays travel it comes out of his after tax income, but sometimes he can claim a tax deduction on his annual tax return.
$282 x 182 = $51,324 before taxes. Taxes are probably about one third, so roughly $34,000 a year after taxes. If the sailor has half a dozen kids, he might qualify for food stamps, subsidized housing ect.[/QUOTE]
Not much, but if the alternative is Zero income it is worth considering, isn’t it.
What is the average income in the area and what is the declared “poverty line”?
[QUOTE=ombugge;176881]Not much, but if the alternative is Zero income it is worth considering, isn’t it.
What is the average income in the area and what is the declared “poverty line”?[/QUOTE]
It would be ok pay for a deckhand, but it’s ridiculous for a Mate.
It doesn’t change it much, but you’re getting paid for 14 days working 14/14, not 13. Shouldn’t be working for less than the low 400’s with good benefits. Exception is someone new trying to get experience. Sounds like Norfolk pay.
Another way is call it 13 full days, two half days=14, but having worked equal time for a while it’s just how it works out. Likely due to a noon-time crewchange. No excuse for the low pay though, but that’s just the way it typically is for noon-time crewchanges. No travel is nonsense, probably why they’re pushing for local only. Tells you a lot that they’re having a hard time finding people in this economy. My math is imperial so tread lightly.
I work in Norfolk. Sub $400 a day pay is normal for the harbor tugs. There are even captains who are sub $400.
[QUOTE=Bayrunner;176888]I work in Norfolk. Sub $400 a day pay is normal for the harbor tugs. There are even captains who are sub $400.[/QUOTE]
There is big difference between a harbor tug where you get a lot of dock time, can go ashore, and perhaps even go home when you are off watch, compared to a coastal tug where you are away from town for two weeks.
Still sub $400 is ridiculously cheap for licensed officers.
[QUOTE=ombugge;176566]Good example of how using two systems cost more then changing to metrics and forget the conversions to imperial units. One speed limit for all.
A pump does not pump in gallons or liters, it just pump liquids. Modern metering system can be programmed to record whichever unit of measurement you want.
Likewise, the price can be displayed in /Gal. or /Ltr. as you want and the total cost, incl. any tax etc. calculated, displayed and deducted from your credit card just like is done now. The cost of a full tank does not change.
The problem is that you think in gallons not liters. If you can not (or will not), learn anything else, you will not be able to change, even if it is to your obvious advantage.[/QUOTE]
Wait for the “New” Alphabet!!
https://video.yahoo.com/dan-aykroyd-metric-alphabet-050000965.html