They give us work
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[QUOTE=Steamer;110402]And keep yards like Trinity afloat, employ tens of thousands of highly skilled yard workers, electronic technicians, diesel service shops, electricians, travel agencies, painters, designers, naval architects, publishers, photographers, helicopter operators, boating writers, ship managers, insurance agents, T-shirt printers, machine shops, welding shops, hydraulic shops … I could go on for several billion $ worth of little folks worth of purpose right here within 5 miles of where I am sitting.
I can’t think of a better way to redistribute the money the uber-rich have accumulated. Who gives a shit about their egos? They don’t impress me very much, some are nice guys who made a fortune the way you or I would like to and they deserve every penny of it, some are what you think all of them are but not that many of them. As one of those guys who plays in the stream of cash flowing from them to the guy who blows leaves off the lawn of an owner’s winter home, I sign off on where a huge amount of that money goes and it goes to little guys who pay taxes on it and buy their groceries at the local markets and buy their cars at local dealerships.
Step into the Wayback machine for a minute and look at what happened to all the “little people” when the bitter bunch decided to put a “luxury tax” on yachts and airplanes a few decades ago.[/QUOTE]
Steamer, you have always missed my point! I do not say that the uber rich should not have their toys but believe that the right to have such extreme examples of opulent wealth should require an equivalent contribution to “society as a whole” either in the form of tax (YES TAX!) or a donation to a charity such as a children’s hospital which does benefit “society as a whole”. I know that the rich are here to stay but we “society” should hold them to use their vast sums to money to help the less fortunate. How this is made to work is a matter to be worked out but I feel that it can be.
[QUOTE=c.captain;110423] How this is made to work is a matter to be worked out but I feel that it can be.[/QUOTE]
I think putting $10 million or more each year into the economy via salaries and operating expenses for a megayacht should count as contributing to society. Most owners support more than just a yacht, I would love to have a couple percent of what they give to all those places you mention. Just because someone is stinking filthy rich doesn’t mean they are corrupt, mean, useless, cruel, or criminal. Hell, we have a Congress full of people who are precisely that and they don’t even employ anyone with their own money.
[QUOTE=c.captain;110334]and knowing you makes me surprised that you are SO “in love” with them that you’ve been drinking their brand of KoolAid with so much gusto! They are NOT real vessels! They are as much of a showboat as the BOUNTY was only worth tens of millions but serving no useful purpose other than the fuel the egos of their owners![/QUOTE]
I don’t know about your fantasy yacht C Cap’n, but look at Luerssen’s new TOPAZ. At +12,000 GRT, I think she qualifies quite nicely as a ship. They some ex-MEBA boys workin’ right here on another, and they liking them MTU’s just fine. The deck team is enjoying their Kongsberg DP training plenty too. And keep your grubby mitts off the suede, your feet off the silk carpets and stop eyeballing that new stewardess. And the money spent ? Straight into the economy. I do like some of the related comments ‘bout that. As for the purpose, you are right. There is no purpose for the most expensive fun on the planet by the minute. But it keeps thousands employed and their families fed. Even some of the wankers at Trinity like Wayne. Do feel free to bring the 5 gal (20l) pail of rum and the girls. We got plenty of chow, a cinema, lotsa’ rooms, a sauna, few pools, a massage room, a spa, even a beautician with multi-chair salon if they get mussed. Then we’ll break out the helideck team and give 'em a lift home in the EC 145T2. Not a vessel … gimme a break.
[QUOTE=Steamer;110425]I think putting $10 million or more each year into the economy via salaries and operating expenses for a megayacht should count as contributing to society. [/QUOTE]
No, it is contributing to a small group of companies and people. I want that effing megarich megayacht owner to help that single mom who is struggling to work and raise kids on a pittance of earnings. I want a child without health insurance to be able to go to a doctor when they are sick and be treated. I don’t care how the megabillionaire decides to use his money to help the unfortunate underclass but I will now and forever more say that if anyone is to be able to surround themselves with such extreme luxury then they should be held by “society as a whole” to contribute.
Steamer, you know the European owners pay much more of their wealth in the form of taxes and such but they still are megarich and have megayachts. Why should an American megawealthy person not be held to the same standard? Hmmm?
Let me ask any of you who think Steamer is right if you are rich and have megayachts yourself? Why does the American public not demand the rich to pay more of their wealth to the benefit of society? We allow them to have their toys, it is not a God given right!
[QUOTE=c.captain;110436]No, it is contributing to a small group of companies and people. I want that effing megarich megayacht owner to help that single mom who is struggling to work and raise kids on a pittance of earnings. I want a child without health insurance to be able to go to a doctor when they are sick and be treated. I don’t care how the megabillionaire decides to use his money to help the unfortunate underclass but I will now and forever more say that if anyone is to be able to surround themselves with such extreme luxury then they should be held by “society as a whole” to contribute.
Steamer, you know the European owners pay much more of their wealth in the form of taxes and such but they still are megarich and have megayachts. Why should an American megawealthy person not be held to the same standard? Hmmm?
Let me ask any of you who think Steamer is right if you are rich and have megayachts yourself? Why does the American public not demand the rich to pay more of their wealth to the benefit of society? We allow them to have their toys, it is not a God given right![/QUOTE]Bravo. Bravo. Well said. Now don’t touch the silk. The security officer has you on camera and the Head Housekeeper is pissed she has to send a girl to brush it again before the Boss arrives…
as already quoted in an earlier thread
Quint: I'm not talkin' about pleasure boatin' or day sailin'. I'm talkin' about workin' for a livin'. I'm talkin' about sharkin'.
Hooper: Well I'm not talkin' about hookin' some poor dog fish or sand shark. I'm talkin' about findin' a Great White.
Quint: You've got city boy hands, Hooper. You been countin' money all your life.
Hooper: All right, hey, I don't need this. I don't need this working-class-hero crap.
Quint: Maybe I should go alone.
I think that all of us here would agree with this?
[QUOTE=c.captain;110436]Let me ask any of you who think Steamer is right if you are rich and have megayachts yourself? Why does the American public not demand the rich to pay more of their wealth to the benefit of society? We allow them to have their toys, it is not a God given right![/QUOTE]
“from each according to his ability, to each according to his need”…was that C.captain or Capt Karl?
[QUOTE=injunear;110448]“from each according to his ability, to each according to his need”…was that C.captain or Capt Karl?[/QUOTE]
that was me and what’s wrong with it?
I cannot abide the distribution of wealth in this nation and pardon me all to hell for feeling that way! I feel no working class person should yet it seems most Americans seem to hate the poor but love the rich instead!
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[QUOTE=c.captain;110449]that was me and what’s wrong with it?
I cannot abide the distribution of wealth in this nation and pardon me all to hell for feeling that way! I feel no working class person should yet it seems most Americans seem to hate the poor but love the rich instead!
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THIS IS WRONG![/B][/QUOTE]
Tell me the definition of “poor”. They keep moving the bar. Most Americans don’t hate the poor. They hate able-bodied lazy-ass people. I don’t have to look too far in my family to see it. My ex-son in law can’t pay child support but can afford tattoos, the latest fancy phone, fancy wheels ect. Can’t keep or get a decent job because he has to smoke weed. Then there’s my grandson, his tribe and in-laws. His inlaws accuse me of “being rich”. They piss and moan how the government won’t “do enough for them” as they all live in gov subsidised housing, claim they can’t find jobs (in Texas) and also follow ex-son-in-laws playbook. Tattoos, phones, wheels, weed ect…At least my grandson works. None of them are denied medical care. End of rant…
[QUOTE=c.captain;110449]that was me and what’s wrong with it?
I cannot abide the distribution of wealth in this nation and pardon me all to hell for feeling that way! I feel no working class person should yet it seems most Americans seem to hate the poor but love the rich instead!
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Bravo. Your link posted earlier is the shocking truth - and it is truly worth watching - absolutely.
You know I was thinkin’ here in Germany, we pay 19% VAT (sales tax) and everyone pays a serious set of income taxes, that is if you make over E8000 a year. Try over 35% income tax after some very modest deductions (no home mortgage break here pal), plus East Germany solidarity tax and church tax. Yeah, church tax. Yet everyone seems to be doing okay, or at last they aren’t starving. People do not make a lot of money, in general. We just live smaller. We ain’t got no flat screen at all here. But heck, wouldn’t know what they are sayin anyway. Up in Norway, the houses are HUGE, along with even higher taxes and people again, doing fine.
So an honest tax applicable to all according to their means would be fine by me. Why can a hedge fund monkey with millions “transactional” based income get to a special 15% tax, while you and I pay a whole boatload more for being on the deck, on time and sober 7 days a week for months on end. Is our labor worth less to society? Are we different in God’s eyes? Don’t know. Capital gains tax in Germany try 25% and that rate applies only if you keep the asset for a looong time - like 10 years. Corporate tax - minimum 25% on the profits, plus city tax of up to 14%, although if ypou are an owner, you can get some of that back and just pay the 40% income tax overall.
Oh yeah. Dog tax - 90 euros a year. Per daawg.
[QUOTE=injunear;110450]Tell me the definition of “poor”. They keep moving the bar. Most Americans don’t hate the poor. They hate able-bodied lazy-ass people. I don’t have to look too far in my family to see it. My ex-son in law can’t pay child support but can afford tattoos, the latest fancy phone, fancy wheels ect. Can’t keep or get a decent job because he has to smoke weed. Then there’s my grandson, his tribe and in-laws. His inlaws accuse me of “being rich”. They piss and moan how the government won’t “do enough for them” as they all live in gov subsidised housing, claim they can’t find jobs (in Texas) and also follow ex-son-in-laws playbook. Tattoos, phones, wheels, weed ect…At least my grandson works. None of them are denied medical care. End of rant…[/QUOTE]
Rant noted. A fair comment at that.
[QUOTE=injunear;110450]Tell me the definition of “poor”. They keep moving the bar. Most Americans don’t hate the poor. They hate able-bodied lazy-ass people. I don’t have to look too far in my family to see it. My ex-son in law can’t pay child support but can afford tattoos, the latest fancy phone, fancy wheels ect. Can’t keep or get a decent job because he has to smoke weed. Then there’s my grandson, his tribe and in-laws. His inlaws accuse me of “being rich”. They piss and moan how the government won’t “do enough for them” as they all live in gov subsidised housing, claim they can’t find jobs (in Texas) and also follow ex-son-in-laws playbook. Tattoos, phones, wheels, weed ect…At least my grandson works. None of them are denied medical care. End of rant…[/QUOTE]
This is all true and an unfortunate situation of how does the help go the those truly in need as opposed to the slugs of society? I have seen a lifetime heavy cigarette smoker get lung cancer at 45 years old which there was little chance to cure yet he was declared indigent and the State of Washington spend likely $500k on surgery, chemo, radiation and the fucker continued to smoke throughout and then died! We have allowed the welfare system to become corrupted horribly and that is why I prefer for the money these rich fucks pay to go to charities as donations as opposed as taxes to a general fund. At least a non governmental charity can determine the worthiness of each case and use a means test to evaluate the value of the person’s claim and the efficacy of it being granted. What needs to happen is for the tax law to say either donate or the government will take it. If that is how it is set up, anyone with a brain would chose to donate!
[QUOTE=c.captain;110454]This is all true and an unfortunate situation of how does the help go the those truly in need as opposed to the slugs of society? I have seen a lifetime heavy cigarette smoker get lung cancer at 45 years old which there was little chance to cure yet he was declared indigent and the State of Washington spend likely $500k on surgery, chemo, radiation and the fucker continued to smoke throughout and then died! We have allowed the welfare system to become corrupted horribly and that is why I prefer for the money these rich fucks pay to go to charities as donations as opposed as taxes to a general fund. At least a non governmental charity can determine the worthiness of each case and use a means test to evaluate the value of the person’s claim and the efficacy of it being granted. What needs to happen is for the tax law to say either donate or the government will take it. If that is how it is set up, anyone with a brain would chose to donate![/QUOTE]
Addendum to rant: The aforementioned collection of humanity all smoke, have big screen TVs, every gaming system in existance. 2 have exhausted their extended unemployment bennies while they have researched maladies to collect S/S disability.
The worse part of this rant is that I’m on my pre-physical diet and have to abstain from alcohol. All I can do is revisit the rum thread!
You know why they put helicopters on yachts?
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I wish I knew … no matter how I post it I can’t see it either.
Story time:
Mega Yacht Golden Odyssey is heading north after Panama Canal along Pacific coast 100 miles offshore. Sunrise. Grey skies, grey glassy water. The Captain’s wife walks up to the bridge from starboard side and out of corner of her eye she sees a naked Korean man swimming by.
She bursts into the bridge alerting her husband and he turns the yacht around and launches a boat and they recover this dude.
He speaks little English and is shivering. They wrap him in the owners satin bed cloths and feed him with golden utensils. He eats like he never thought possible and drinks many wines until he finds one he likes. He keeps saying something over and over again that nobody can understand. Finally they determine that he’s an engineer of a Korean merchant ship who fell overboard after watch smoking on the poop deck earlier that night. He saw the lights of the yacht after he stripped naked and made his peace with God… He swam his ass off trying to intercept the yacht. He timed it almost perfectly. But nobody saw him. Only the Captains wife coming up the starboard side.
The mate gets on the radio and calls his ship’s name and they reply! He says that he’s got their engineer. They say they don’t want anymore engineers. The Korean takes the mic and starts identifying himself to the Captain of his own ship… Suddenly the speakers screech as the Korean Captain goes on a tirade cursing out his engineer.
They all turn around and transfer the dude back to his miserable existence aboard his third world vessel for a little rice and Kim Shi each day…
Moral of the story: never let your engineer on deck.
(I have often wondered how that Korean described his sudden opulence to the crew and his family… Wonder if they believed him…?
[QUOTE=injunear;110470]Addendum to rant: The aforementioned collection of humanity all smoke, have big screen TVs, every gaming system in existance. 2 have exhausted their extended unemployment bennies while they have researched maladies to collect S/S disability. [/QUOTE]
What’s really incredible is that many people think such welfare gastropods are comical vis Squidbillies.
sorry Fraq but it is true and a very sizable number of these bottom feeders are in the south!
[QUOTE=c.captain;110507]sorry Fraq but it is true and a very sizable number of these bottom feeders are in the south![/QUOTE]
You might dismount your high horse and tally which states have the most on the dole.
On another note, I was picking up my grand daughter at her elementary school. The crossing guard asked me to move my truck so the bus for the kids of illegal aliens could pull through to the English as a second language class…I guess thats why my school taxes went up last year.