Just received my approval letter and was expecting to just have to take Local Knowledge and The Chart Drawing.
Also included was I have to take Module 031 Deck and Nav Safety and Module 032 Navigational General. Anyone have any info on why the change or is it not correct? I have been told that it is because I only hold 1600 Ton Masters. If I had Unlimited Tonnage i would not have to take the other 2 modules.
I have no idea. I went throught this as a limited tonnage licensed mariner fairly recently and only had to take the chart and local knowledge exam. I was expecting those modules to be on my approval to test, but they weren’t there. I didn’t say anything about it and just took the exam ASAP!
I am likely wrong here, but the deck/engineering guide is pretty clear, BUT what kind of tonnage/vessels are your trips on? Maybe they threw me a bone because everything was over 1,600 or something, or my MOT license is in essence not limited to 1,600 tons moving barges?
Applicants requesting an extension of route or holding an MMC endorsement as Master or Mate authorized to
serve on vessels of over 1600 GRT are ONLY required to take the Local Knowledge and Chart Sketch modules for
the requested route.
[QUOTE=z-drive;165831]I have no idea. I went throught this as a limited tonnage licensed mariner fairly recently and only had to take the chart and local knowledge exam. I was expecting those modules to be on my approval to test, but they weren’t there. I didn’t say anything about it and just took the exam ASAP!
I am likely wrong here, but the deck/engineering guide is pretty clear, BUT what kind of tonnage/vessels are your trips on? Maybe they threw me a bone because everything was over 1,600 or something, or my MOT license is in essence not limited to 1,600 tons moving barges?[/QUOTE]
Per the CFR… Applicants requesting an extension of route or holding an MMC endorsement as Master or Mate authorized to serve on vessels of over 1600 GRT are ONLY required to take the Local Knowledge and Chart Sketch modules for the requested route.
I have Both a 1600 ton Master and Master of towing. The MOT doesnt have a tonnage with it so I would think I should just take the 2 tests. Or am I just trying to find a way out of taking 4 lol
no idea, but I’d look into it for sure. Save the hassle of the other exams by all means. Maybe talk to the evaluator and say you don’t think you should have to take them based on what other people with the same license have done, not sure. I think, and this is my uneducated guess but you could file a “reconsideration” which is what they call or for a review within the NMC, prior to an “appeal” to HQ. Jcavo could probably explain the difference.
My one other idea is the mate exams I took were the same for 500/1600/3rd unlimited so as far as exams go what difference does an unlimited license have over mine?
[QUOTE=v16HundredTonv;165970]Per the CFR… Applicants requesting an extension of route or holding an MMC endorsement as Master or Mate authorized to serve on vessels of over 1600 GRT are ONLY required to take the Local Knowledge and Chart Sketch modules for the requested route.
I have Both a 1600 ton Master and Master of towing. The MOT doesnt have a tonnage with it so I would think I should just take the 2 tests. Or am I just trying to find a way out of taking 4 lol[/QUOTE]
Not having a tonnage limit, and being authorized to serve on a vessel over 1,600 GRT may not be the same. The master of towing vesse endorsement authority is limited to 300 GRT on near coastal and oceans routes.
[QUOTE=z-drive;165974]no idea, but I’d look into it for sure. Save the hassle of the other exams by all means. Maybe talk to the evaluator and say you don’t think you should have to take them based on what other people with the same license have done, not sure. I think, and this is my uneducated guess but you could file a “reconsideration” which is what they call or for a removes within the NMC, prior to an “appeal” to HQ. Jcavo could probably explain the difference. [/QUOTE]
Do you mean like “my freinds didnt have to follow the rules…”? That always works.(Sarcasm)
Reconsideration is the first step in the appeal process. It goes to and is decided by NMC. If NMC upholds the original decision, then (and only then) you can appeal to HQ. Note that appeals can take six months to decide.
yes it’s the best most reliable method. I would say if anyone didn’t follow the rules it’s the NMC, not me. So much for consistency. But I’m not complaining.
Don’t those fancy license consultants use the term “precedent” quite often in these cases? Does that only come into play when an appeal is won or other situations as well?
[QUOTE=z-drive;165985]yes it’s the best most reliable method. I would say if anyone didn’t follow the rules it’s the NMC, not me. So much for consistency. But I’m not complaining.
Don’t those fancy license consultants use the term “precedent” quite often in these cases? Does that only come into play when an appeal is won or other situations as well?[/QUOTE]
Appeals are not like in Court, we do our own research and consider all issues even if they are not mentioned in the appeal. So it doesnt really matter what the license consultant argues, if it’s relevant it will be considered. That’s why the success rate on appeals for license consultants is about the same as the do it yourselfers.
To sort of answer your question, a policy does not have to be in writing. A consistent practice of not following a policy is itself policy. But it would have to be widespread and consistent practice, occasional deviations or mistakes don’t make a policy.
“Precedent” doesn’t really apply to evaluator decisions, but would be applicable to appeal decisions. But mariner appeals are usually very fact specific, so it would be rare to get identical cases.
Worst part is I let my last letter expire because I had other things to do. And it only had the 2 tests listed.
thanks! Very helpful info!
[QUOTE=jdcavo;165982]Not having a tonnage limit, and being authorized to serve on a vessel over 1,600 GRT may not be the same. The master of towing vesse endorsement authority is limited to 300 GRT on near coastal and oceans routes.[/QUOTE]
Mr. Cavo, please see my question about the standing of this law in this thread.
A new letter is on the way. Just have to do the chart sketch and local knowledge!
great news. How did you go about it?
[QUOTE=z-drive;166301]great news. How did you go about it?[/QUOTE]
Sea Ks licensing gave me a hand. The day he told me he got it fixed another buddy got his letter. His said he needed to take the 4 I was originally told and Rules of the road. So who knows what’s going on there really.