[QUOTE=ombugge;190199]Both Norway (#3) and Sweden (#5) on the list was neutral nations at that time, yet they feature high on the list of both Rescue and vessels sunk.
I am surprised at the US rescues, since they don’t feature much in the list before or after this date.[/QUOTE]
It’s mostly due to two “hog islanders:” City of Flint and Independance Hall, neither of which survived the war. They each had one day where they saved a lot of people. City of Flint turns out to be important, and may answer the question about why we don’t hear much from the Americans for a while. She was captured by the Germans, they sailed her to Norway, the Norwegians said: we’re not having you, move along. They sailed her to Murmansk and tried to claim some legal right to take haven there. The Soviets said, we’re not having you either, they sailed back to Norway… It all turns out to be quite a production. In the end, she returned to service as an American ship, but the Americans encouraged their merchant fleet to change to flags of convienence to protect American neutrality while still running supplies to the Allies. So maybe they are being more cautious about responding to distress calls after the drama with City of Flint.
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The *Belgian ship Alexandre Andre comes to the rescue again, as she did on October 14.
December 8-14, 1939
[B]North Atlantic[/B]
1939.12.08 Brandon: UK cargo torpedoed/sunk 9 dead*[B]Crew?[/B] rescue by Marie Jose Rosette (Belgium), Tritten (UK)
1939.12.09 San Alberto: UK cargo torpedoed/sunk 1/37 died rescue by Alexandre Andre (Belgium)
1939.12.11 Garoufalia: Greece cargo torpedoed/sunk 4/29 died rescue by Tellus (Norway)
1939.12.13 Deptford: UK cargo torpedoed/sunk 32/37 died rescue by Nordnorge (Norway), Royal Norwegian Navy
[B]North Sea[/B]
1939.12.08 Corea: UK cargo mined/sunk 8/15 dead rescue by Royal Lifeboats
1939.12.08 Merel: UK cargo mined/sunk 16/18 dead rescue by1939.12.08 Corea: UK cargo mined/sunk 8/15 dead rescue by[B]whom?[/B]
1939.12.08 Middelsbro’: UK cargo struck the wreck of Goodwood (sunk in September)/sunk [B]dead? Crew?[/B] rescue by Runeborg (Sweden)
1939.12.09 Magnus: Denmark cargo torpedoed/sunk 18/19 died rescue by Philippe (UK)
1939.12.10 Immingham: Netherlands cargo mined/sunk 0/7 died rescue by[B]Whom?[/B]
1939.12.10 Willowpool: UK cargo mined/sunk 0/37 died rescue by Royal Lifeboats
1939.12.12 Marwick Head: UK cargo mined/sunk 5/10 died rescue by [B]Whom?[/B]
1939.12.13 Ashkabad: USSR cargo torpedoed/sunk 17 died [B]crew?[/B] rescue by [B]Whom?[/B]
1939.12.13 King Egbert: UK cargo mined/sunk 33 died [B]crew?[/B] rescue by [B]Whom?[/B]
1939.12.13 Mina: Estonia cargo torpedoed/sunk 17/17 died*
1939.12.13 Rosa: Belgium cargo mined/sunk 1 died [B]crew?[/B] rescue by [B]Whom?[/B]
1939.12.14 Inverlane: UK cargo mined/sunk 37/40 died rescue by [B]Whom?[/B]
[B]Baltic Sea[/B]
1939.12.10 Bolheim: Germany cargo shelled/sunk [B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.10 Reinbeck: Germany cargo torpedoed/sunk [B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.10 Kasseri: Estonia cargo torpedoed/sunk 1 dead [B]Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.12 Wilpas: Finland cargo torpedoed/sunk [B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.12 Torö: Sweden cargo mined/sunk [B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.13 Algol: Sweden cargo mined/sunk 6 rescued [B] Crew? Who helped?[/B]
[B]South Atlantic[/B]
1939.12.09 Adolf Leonhardt: Germany cargo scuttled 25 rescue by Royal Navy*[B]Out of how many crew?[/B]
The UK ship River Earn is sunk only 2 days after she saved the 3 survivors of the Danish ship Bogö. River Earn’s crew are all rescued byNorwegan Hurtegruten ship Rogaland, although it isn’t mentioned on her warsailors page. She will <edit> go on to become a modern movie star. </edit>
Less happily, the Swedish ship Carl Henckel was sunk the day after she saved the survivors of the Swedish ship Mars. She lost all but one of the survivors, and 10 of her own. *She was rescued by the Norwegian ship Hop. In less than 2 months, Hop will be sunk by a torpedo, with all hands lost.
Also lost was Norwegian ship Rudolf, savior of Norwegian ship Gimlé in the first week of this month.
December 15-21, 1939
[B]North Atlantic[/B]
1939.12.15 Germaine: Greek cargo mined/sunk all*[B]Crew?[/B] rescue by Vrieland (Norway)
1939.12.19 Columbus: Germany passenger scuttled 2/578 died rescue by US Navy
[B]North Sea[/B]
1939.12.15 H.C. Flood: Norway cargo mined/sunk 4/21 died*[B]Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.15 Ragni: Norway cargo mined/sunk 6/19 died [B]Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.15 Strindheim: Norway cargo mined/sunk 9/11 died [B]Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.15 Ursus: Sweden cargo mined/sunk 9/20 died rescue by Brindus (Netherlands)
1939.12.16 Amble: UK cargo mined/sunk [B]Dead? Crew?[/B] rescue by Royal Navy
1939.12.16 Glitrefjell: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 5/18dead rescue by Royal Navy, Icarion (Greece)
1939.12.16 Lister: Sweden cargo mined/sunk [B]Dead? Crew?[/B] rescue by Royal Navy, Lister’s own lifeboat
1939.12.17 [B] Bogö? Bogø?:[/B] Denmark cargo mined/sunk 17/20 dead rescue by River Earn (UK)
1939.12.17 Jaegersborg: Denmark cargo torpedoed/sunk 18/18 dead
1939.12.17 Compagnus: UK cargo bombed/sunk 1 dead [B] Crew?[/B] rescue by Colleague (UK)
1939.12.17 Eileen Wray: UK cargo bombed/sunk [B]Dead? Crew?[/B] rescue by[B]whom?[/B]*
1939.12.17 Isabella Greig: UK cargo bombed/sunk [B]Crew?[/B] all rescue by [B]whom?[/B]*
1939.12.17 Pearl: UK cargo bombed/sunk 1 dead [B]Crew?[/B] rescue by [B]whom?[/B]*
1939.12.17 Serenity: UK cargo bombed/sunk 0/8 dead rescue by [B]whom?[/B]*
1939.12.17 Zelos: UK cargo bombed/sunk [B] dead? Crew?[/B] rescue by [B]whom?[/B]*
1939.12.18 Active: UK cargo bombed/sunk 1 dead [B]Crew?[/B] rescue by Caribineer II (UK)
1939.12.18 Trinity NB: UK cargo bombed/sunk 2 dead [B]Crew?[/B] rescue by Smart (Denmark)
1939.12.19 Daneden: UK cargo bombed/sunk [B] dead? Crew?[/B] rescue by [B]whom?[/B]*
1939.12.19 River Earn: UK cargo bombed/sunk [B] Crew?[/B] all rescue by Rogaland (Norway Hurtigruten)
1939.12.19 Uko: Finland cargo bombed/sunk [B] Crew?[/B] all rescue by Sir Ernest Cassel (Sweden)
1939.12.19 City of Kobe: UK cargo mined/sunk 1/31 dead rescue by Royal Navy
1939.12.19 Jytte: Denmark cargo mined/sunk 10/18dead rescue by Avance (Denmark)
1939.12.20 Adolf Bratt: Sweden cargo mined/sunk 5/22dead rescue by Auskelis (Latvia)
1939.12.20 Mars: Sweden cargo mined/sunk 7/22 dead rescue by Carl Henckel (Sweden)
1939.12.20 Vega: Sweden cargo mined/sunk 0/17 dead rescue by Venern (Sweden)
1939.12.21 Carl Henckel: Sweden cargo mined/sunk 10/18 crew + 14/15 survivors of Mars (Sweden) dead rescue by Hop (Norway)
1939.12.21 Comitas: Italy cargo mined/sunk*[B] dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.21 Rudolf: Norway torpedoed/sunk 6/13*dead rescue by Biarritz, Bjerka (both Norway)
[QUOTE=Emrobu;190320]The UK ship River Earn is sunk only 2 days after she saved the 3 survivors of the Danish ship Bogö. River Earn’s crew are all rescued byNorwegan Hurtegruten ship Rogaland, although it isn’t mentioned on her warsailors page. She will not survive the war.[/QUOTE]
Thanks guys. Whenever I want to find out if anyone reads this thread, I’ll just make a completely wrong statement about a well-loved aspect of Norwegian heritage.
[B]North Atlantic[/B]
1939.12.25 Stanholme: UK mined/sunk 13/24 died rescue by Liv (Norway)
1939.12.26 Glücksberg: Germany intercepted/scuttled**[B]Crew?[/B] all saved by Ciudad de Malilla (Spain)
[B]North Sea[/B]
1939.12.22 Gryfavale: UK mined/damaged*[B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.23 Dolphin: UK mined/sunk while under tow*[B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.25 Torwood: Norway mined/sunk 4/11 died rescue by Hild (Norway)
1939.12.25 Hanne: Denmark mined/sunk 15/40 died*rescue by [B]whom?[/B]
1939.12.25 Reschercho: UK mined/sunk 0/10 died rescue by [B]whom?[/B]
1939.12.31 Adeline: Belgium *bombed/sunk [B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1939.12.31 Box Hill: UK mined/sunk 22/22 died
1939.12.31 Luna: Norway mined/sunk 0 died *[B]crew?[/B] rescue by Colombia (Norway)
[B]North Atlantic[/B]
1940.01.03 Svartön: Sweden torpedoed/sunk 20/31 died rescue by Royal Navy
[B]North Sea[/B]
1940.01.01 Lars Magnus Trozelli: Sweden torpedoed/sunk 7/22 died rescue by Ask (Norway)
1940.01.04*[B] name?[/B]: Estonia torpedoed sunk*[B]dead? crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.06 British Liberty: UK torpedoed/sunk 24 died*[B]crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.06 City of Marseilles: UK mined/damaged 1/164 died rescue by Royal Lifeboat, Royal Airforce, harbour pilot*[B] name?[/B] (UK)
1940.01.06 Eta: UK mined/sunk 0 died [B]crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.07 Cedrington Court: UK mined/sunk 0 died [B]crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.07 Towneley: UK mined/sunk 0 died [B]crew?[/B] rescue by Royal Lifeboat
[B]Baltic[/B]
1940.01.01 Leo: Finland bombed/sunk *[B]dead? crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.02 Thor: Finland bombed/sunk *[B]dead? crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.04 Fenris: Sweden torpedoed/grounded all lived [B]crew? who helped?[/B]
[B]North Atlantic[/B]
1940.01.10 Bahia Blanca: Germany cargo shelled/sunk 0/62 died rescue by Hafstein (Iceland)
1940.01.14 Albert Janus: Germany cargo intercepted/scuttled
[B]North Sea[/B]
1940.01.09 Dunbar Castle: UK passenger mined/sunk 8/198 died rescue by Royal Navy
1940.01.09 Manx: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 13/19 died rescue by Iris ( Norway), Leka (Norway)
1940.01.09 Truida: Netherlands coaster mined/sunk 0 died [B]crew?[/B] rescue by Friso (Netherlands)
1940.01.09 Gowrie: UK coaster bombed/sunk 0/12 died rescue by*[B]Whom?[/B]
1940.01.09 Oakgrove: UK cargo bombed/sunk 1 died [B]Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.09 Upminster: UK cargo bombed/sunk 3 died [B]Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.09 Ivan Kondrup: Demark [B] Type?[/B] bombed/damaged [B]dead? Crew?[/B] rescue by Thrifty*[B]flag?[/B]
1940.01.09 Feddy: Demark [B] Type?[/B] bombed/damaged [B]dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.09 Northwood: [B]flag? Type?[/B] bombed/damaged [B]dead? Crew? Who helped[/B]
1940.01.09 Chysolite: [B]flag?[/B] trawler bombed/damaged [B]dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.09 Reculver: [B]flag? Type?[/B] bombed/damaged [B]dead? Crew?[/B] rescue by Tamora*[B]flag?[/B]
1940.01.11 Croxton: UK trawler bombed/sunk 0/9 died [B]Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.11 Flavia: UK trawler bombed/damaged *[B]died? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.11 Pitwines: UK trawler bombed/damaged [B]died? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.11 Keynes: UK cargo bombed/sunk 0/17 died [B]Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.11 Traviata: Italy cargo mined/sunk 0 died [B]crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.11 Fredville: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 11/16 died rescue by[B]name?[/B] (Sweden)
1940.01.12 Granta: UK [B]Type?[/B] mined/sunk 12 died [B]Crew?[/B] rescue by Royal Navy, Fulham IV (UK), Robur VIII (UK)
1940.01.12 Danmark: Denmark [B]type?[/B] torpedoed/sunk [B]dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.12 William Ivey: UK trawler bombed/sunk *[B]died? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.12 Blythemoor: UK [B]type?[/B] bombed/damaged *[B]died? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.12 Persian Empire: UK trawler bombed/sunk *[B]died? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.12 Sylvia: Sweden cargo torpedoed/sunk *20/20 died
1940.01.14 St Lucia: UK trawler mined/sunk 12/12 died
1940.01.14Phaedra: Germany cargo captured [B]died? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
[B]Irish Sea[/B]
1940.01.11 El Oso: UK tanker mined/sunk 3/35*died rescue by Royal Navy
[B]Baltic Sea[/B]
1940.01.11 Dietrich Hasseldieck: Germany trawler mined/sunk [B]dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
During this time, UK began to degauss hulls to make them less attractive to magnetic mines.
Jan 15-21, 1940
[B]North Atlantic[/B]
1940.01.15 Fagerheim: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 14/19 dead rescue by Iris (Greece)
1940.01.16 Panachandros: Greece cargo torpedoed/sunk [B]dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.16 Inverdargel: Ireland tanker mined/sunk 49/49 dead
1940.01.17 Enid: Norway cargo torpedoed/damaged 0/16 dead rescue by Kina (Denmark), *Granada (UK)
1940.01.17 Polzella: UK cargo torpedoed/sunk *16/16 dead
1940.01.18 Canadian Reefer: Denmark cargo torpedoed/sunk *0/26 dead rescue by Jose Ignacio de C (Spain)
1940.01.19 Telnes: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk *18/18 dead
1940.01.20 Caroni River: UK tanker mined/sunk *0/47 dead rescue by Royal Lifeboats, Royal Navy
1940.01.20 Ekatontarchos Dracoulis: Greece cargo torpedoed/sunk *6/28 dead rescue by Ninopadre (Italy)
1940.01.21 Protesileus: UK cargo mined/beached 0/47dead rescue by Royal Navy, Royal lifeboats
[B]North Sea[/B]
1940.01.15 Arendskirk: Netherlands cargo torpedoed/sunk 0/65 dead rescue by Fedora (Italy)
1940.01.15 Newhaven: UK cargo mined/sunk*[B]dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.16 Joséphine Charlotte: Belgium cargo mined/sunk 4/10 dead rescue by Mickelton (UK)
1940.01.17 Asteria: Greece cargo mined/sunk 13/25dead rescue by[B]whom?[/B]
1940.01.18 Flandria: Sweden cargo torpedoed/sunk *17/21 dead rescue by Balzac (Norway)
1940.01.18 Foxen: Sweden cargo torpedoed/sunk *8/9 dead rescue by Leka (Norway)
1940.01.18 Pajala: Sweden cargo torpedoed/sunk *0/35 dead rescue by Royal Navy
1940.01.19 Patria: Sweden cargo torpedoed/sunk 19/23 dead rescue by Trygg (Sweden)
1940.01.19 Quiberon: France cargo torpedoed/sunk[B]dead? crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.20 Miranda: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 14/17 dead rescue by Royal Navy
1940.01.21 Ferryhill: UK collier torpedoed/sunk 11/13 dead rescue by Royal Navy
1940.01.21 Tekla: Denmark cargo torpedoed/sunk 9/18 dead rescue by Royal Navy, Iris (Norway)
[B]Baltic Sea[/B]
1940.01.18 August Thyssen: Germany cargo mined/sunk 0 dead [B]crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.19 Kaija: Finland cargo bombed/sunk*[B]dead? crew? Who helped?[/B]
[B]Irish Sea[/B]
1940.01.16 Gracia: UK cargo mined/damaged [B]dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.16 Cairnross: UK cargo mined/sunk 0/48 died rescue by Royal Navy
[QUOTE=ombugge;190555]I have been told that the Swedes invented magnetic mines and sold them to Germany.
They also invented the degaussing system and sold it to UK.[/QUOTE]
I didn’t know that. I remember when we sailed from Africa to the North Sea, we had to degauss the hull before we got there, because apparently these wwII mines are still a hazard up there. I don’t know for sure, but I think they used the impressed cathodic system to do the degaussing… Does that sound likely? I think in WWII they were just dragging fat, electrified cables down the outsides of the hulls. I visited the Mercer, an American Built wooden minesweeper from that time, in Den Haague. The ship was closed to tourists because there was a meeting of Dutch WWII naval veterans doing their thing there. So I walked up the gangway anyway and explained myself. Those guys invited me on board and gave me my own tour. The Dutch are so lovable. A couple years later, I found myself living in the shipyard (now marina) where the Mercer was built.
In December the crew of Gimlé were saved by Rudolf, later Rudolf’s crew were saved by Biarritz. This week Biarritz’s passengers and crew were saved by Borgholm. There is a translated letter from one of Borholm’s engineers to his wife describing the horror of Biarritz’s sinkinghttp://www.warsailors.com/singleships/borgholm.html
Borgholm was a member of at least 100 convoys after this incident.
American ships are now formally forbidden from entering the war zone to preserve American neutrality.
January 22-31, 1940*
[B]North Atlantic[/B]
1940.01.22 Gothia: Sweden cargo torpedoed/sunk 12/23 died rescue by own lifeboat
1940.01.22 Songa: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 0/25 died rescue by Lodden (UK), own lifeboat
1940.01.23 Andalusia: Sweden cargo torpedoed/sunk 21/21 died
1940.01.24 Alsacien: France cargo torpedoed/sunk 4 died*[B]Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.25 Tourny: France cargo torpedoed/sunk 8/17 died rescue by Castillo Monforte (Spain)
1940.01.27 Caerphilly Castle: UK trawler bombed/sunk [B]dead? Crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.28 Eleni Stathatou: Greece cargo torpedoed/sunk 13/33 died [B]who helped?[/B]
1940.01.28 Flora Nomicos: Greek cargo torpedoed/sunk 25/25 died
1940.01.29 Eika: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 16/18 died rescue by Kriegsmarine*
1940.01.30 Vaclite: UK tanker torpedoed/sunk 0/35 died rescue by Pollenzo (Italy)
1940.01.30 Karamiai: Greece cargo torpedoed/sunk 0/28 died rescue by British Unity (UK), Royal Navy
[B]North Sea[/B]
1940.01.22 Segovia: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 23/23 died
1940.01.22 Sydfold: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 5/24 died rescue by Rona (Norway)
1940.01.23 Pluto: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 0/22 died rescue by [B]Name?[/B] (Finland)
1940.01.23 Varlid: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 15/15 died
1940.01.23 Baltanglia: UK cargo torpedoed/sunk 0/27 died rescue by [B]Name?[/B] (UK)
1940.01.23 Onto: Finland cargo mined/sunk 0/18 died rescue by Royal Navy
1940.01.24 Bisp: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 15/15 died
1940.01.25 Biarritz: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 37/58 died rescue by Borgholm (Norway)
1940.01.25 Gudveig: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 10/18*died rescue by Dole (Latvia), Evesham (UK), Vim (Norway)
1940.01.25 Everne: Latvia cargo torpedoed/sunk 1/31 died rescue by Dole (Latvia), Evesham (UK)
1940.01.27 Fredensborg: Denmark cargo torpedoed/sunk 20/20 died
1940.01.27 England: Denmark cargo torpedoed/sunk 20/21 died [B]who helped?[/B]
1940.01.27 Faro: Denmark cargo torpedoed/damaged 1/8 died [B]who helped?[/B]
1940.01.27 Hosanger: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 17/18 *died rescue by Royal Navy
1940.01.28 Eston: UK cargo mined/sunk 18/18 died
1940.01.29 East Dudgeon Lightship: UK lightship shelled/sunk 7/8 died [B]who helped?[/B]
1940.01.29 Gripfast: UK cargo shelled/damaged 1 died [B]crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.29 High Wave: UK cargo bombed/sunk 18 lived rescue by Rian (Netherlands) [B]died? Crew?[/B]
1940.01.29 Stanburn: UK cargo bombed/sunk 25/28 died [B]who helped?[/B]
1940.01.29 Nora: Netherlands cargo mined/beached [B]dead? crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.30 Voreda: UK cargo bombed/beached [B]dead? crew? who helped?[/B]
1940.01.31 Start: Norway cargo torpedoed/sunk 16/16 died
1940.01.31 Vidar: Denmark cargo torpedoed/sunk 16/34 dead rescue by Disko (Denmark)
1940.01.31 Fram: Sweden cargo torpedoed/sunk 19/24 dead rescue by[B]Whom?[/B]
[B]Baltic Sea[/B]
1940.01.24 Mulhausen: Germany trawler mined/sunk*[B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.24 Notung: Finland cargo *bombed/sunk [B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
1940.01.24 Viola: Sweden cargo *bombed/sunk [B]Dead? Crew? Who helped?[/B]
Here is the short propaganda film that was made about the sinking of the lightship. It seems to be pretty accurate in the facts, except that one man actually was able to find shelter and lived.
[QUOTE=Emrobu;190559]I didn’t know that. I remember when we sailed from Africa to the North Sea, we had to degauss the hull before we got there, because apparently these wwII mines are still a hazard up there. I don’t know for sure, but I think they used the impressed cathodic system to do the degaussing… Does that sound likely? I think in WWII they were just dragging fat, electrified cables down the outsides of the hulls. I visited the Mercer, an American Built wooden minesweeper from that time, in Den Haague. The ship was closed to tourists because there was a meeting of Dutch WWII naval veterans doing their thing there. So I walked up the gangway anyway and explained myself. Those guys invited me on board and gave me my own tour. The Dutch are so lovable. A couple years later, I found myself living in the shipyard (now marina) where the Mercer was built.[/QUOTE]