OK now that is a reason to get pissed! lol
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;110627]Easy guys there is no reason to get angry about… Wait what were we talking about[/QUOTE]
Aww Fraq, we were just having fun.
C.Captain let me borrow his pointy stick while he’s away.
I think I’ll start a new discussion on this in the other section of the forums.
To sum up the answer for the OP though: yes you’d probably have to disclose it. They may or may not grant a waiver forgiving your PAST use, but you’ll have to go through a ton of hoops explaining why you needed it etc.
Yawn…I’m bored. I think I’ll play with C.Capt’s pointy stick a bit.
Here’s a good one to start with:
[QUOTE=brjones;110626]I am over it. I suggest you do the same and stop being a punk[/QUOTE]
I’m a punk? I’m trying to maintain a rational discussion regarding drug use in maritime applications using facts and observations and this is the best YOU can come up with?:
[QUOTE=brjones;110622]Anyone who needs drugs to study is a pussy. Yes I went to an academy and pulled a lot of all nighters. Never had to take drugs.[/QUOTE]
That’s right everyone who uses drugs - whether under doctors care or not - is a “pussy”. Do you know how stuoopid that makes you sound? For one thing, ADA mandates certain accomodations, including psychrotropic medication as needed for individuals with certain issues. Academys are not exempt from this rule.
Obviously, you are completely ignorant of this issue but don’t know enough to STFU. You should never come to a battle of wits unarmed.
Well now your a dick. Your a punk cadet and obviously didn’t understand the comment. Who said anything about be using legitimate prescriptions? your the one who brought up people using amphetamines to study. You are way too young to think you have the ability to use any sort of pointy stick. Get out into the real world and away from the protection of being behind a computer screen then you can actually maybe use that stick.
Again anyone who needs drugs to stay up and study is a pussy. Obviously that touches a nerve with you. I already graduated, you have not. So put down the drugs and learn to study the way everyone else has done before you ( drug free)
Wrong again genius.
I’m not a user but somehow knew you would try to make the accusation.
This is my letter from the academy affirming I’m clean. I’m still not ready to let the world know who I am on the gCaptain so forgive the strike outs of personal info.
Lol. Yeah that says a lot. Everyone has those letters. Guess what genius? You don’t have to take a drug test to get one. All it says is that you were in the program and never refused a test. It doesn’t say anything that you even took a test. Again just more first year cadet ignorance you display.
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Again anyone who needs drugs to stay up and study is a pussy. Obviously that touches a nerve with you. [/QUOTE]
Yes it does. And it’s the first thing you’ve said that warrants a straight reply.
It touches a nerve because someone close to me struggles with a host of learning disabilities despite being quite intelligent. It’s a matter of how he processes infomation. I have seen the family fight to get needed accomodations including appropriate pharma so this person can achieve their full potential. Over the years, I’ve become fairly familar with the various stimulants and antidepressants used in treatment. I learned of their pros, cons and potential for abuse.
So when some internet commando comes on and make a broad brush statement that ANYONE who needs drugs to study is a pussy, well, yeah, that will set me off.
I will agree that unprescribed use of prescription drugs is wrong and anyone who partakes is taking a huge risk of expulsion from school and jepordizing their future in the Maritime trades. That is illegal drug use, plain and simple.
The underlying problem is mental health issues are so poorly understood by so many. cmjeff became stressed over this topic as it affects him on a very personal level. He understandably does not want the entire crew to know he has ADD. Like it or not, mental heath issues - even very treatable issues, still carries a connotation of personal or character weakness. That needs to change.
OK, I’m going to get off this rant for now. It’s a beautiful Memorial Day even though I’m stranded here in my dorm room. Think I’ll go for a walk then study a bit of physics - sans chemical study aids.
Jetryder, I think you are reading a little too far into the broad use of the word “anyone”
A little more time studying and a little less time talking shit is gcaptain and they may not need the drugs to study! ! I am just saying!!!
46 CFR 10.211 lists the assessment period for use of a dangerous drug as a minimum of one year and a maximum of ten. Assuming you meet the minimum threshold of at least a year since the last use and guessing that since you are applying to an academy, 10 years has not passed, it will be the CG’s call. You should provide a lot of detailed information about reason for the use, etc and if possible demonstrate that the use is now behind you.
[QUOTE=Robert;110912]46 CFR 10.211 lists the assessment period for use of a dangerous drug as a minimum of one year and a maximum of ten. Assuming you meet the minimum threshold of at least a year since the last use and guessing that since you are applying to an academy, 10 years has not passed, it will be the CG’s call. You should provide a lot of detailed information about reason for the use, etc and if possible demonstrate that the use is now behind you.[/QUOTE]
Assessment periods are not mandatyory probation or waiting periods. One can still be approved within the assessment period, but additional information will be needed. See 46 CFR 10.211(i) and (j) which provide for applying before the minimum assessment period, or between the minimum and maximum. One can be approved, but additional information is required to conclude the applicant is “safe and suitable” to hold an MMC.
In this case, the issue is drug use and the “assessment periods” don’t really apply. The relevant regulation here is 10.211(l):
(l) If an applicant has one or more alcohol or dangerous drug related criminal or NDR-listed convictions, if the applicant has ever been the user of, or addicted to the use of, a dangerous drug, or if the applicant applies before the minimum assessment period has elapsed for his or her conviction, the Coast Guard may consider the following factors, as applicable, in assessing the applicant’s suitability to hold an MMC. This list is intended as a guide for the Coast Guard. The Coast Guard may consider other factors appropriate to a particular applicant, such as:
(1) Proof of completion of an accredited alcohol or drug abuse rehabilitation program;
(2) Active membership in a rehabilitation or counseling group, such as Alcoholics Anonymous or Narcotics Anonymous;
(3) Character references from persons who can attest to the applicant’s sobriety, reliability, and suitability for employment in the merchant marine including parole or probation officers;
(4) Steady employment; and
(5) Successful completion of all conditions of parole or probation.
So there are 70 replies and it seems like almost none of them address the issue. I simply want to know if the feds will find out i had a medical marijuana card before I applied for a 3rd mate. I’ve heard that they cant, especially if they have no reason to believe I ever had one. Does anybody actually have any knowledge on this? Thanks.
They can’t monitor your emails, texts, and phone records either…
Tell the truth on your application. Better to get blackballed now then after you’ve invested years and money. That would be a shame.
Like I said earlier I dont know of any law saying you cant have a medical prescription card. Theres is nothing on the app asking if you have one or not. It asks if you use or have use Marijuana. So strictly speaking about whether possessing a card will not get you a in, I dont see how. Using Marijuana is a different story and a different question
Just out of curiosity what was your medical condition that warranted the need for medical marijuana. If the medical condition still exist the U.S.C.G. probably would not issue the license anyway.
[QUOTE=ElCapitan;112339]Just out of curiosity what was your medical condition that warranted the need for medical marijuana. If the medical condition still exist the U.S.C.G. probably would not issue the license anyway.[/QUOTE]
Of course "medical marijuana is just a scam, anyway. I know too many folks without any real medical issues (other than not being able to stop smoking dope) that have cards. . . . .
[QUOTE=cmjeff;110587]Hold it!
Is this a discussion about Marijuana or prescription drugs? And WHY THE FUCK are we talking about adderall in a thread about an illegal drug? It’s like someone asking about getting a job on a cruise ship and being told that Bouchard is hiring PIC’s.
WTF!
Marijuana and adderall are polar opposites in every way I can think of:
One makes alert, the other slows your mind down
One curbs hunger the other causes it
One is a pill the other is smoked
One is synthetically produced the other is grown
Should I go on and on and on?
Why am I so pissed? Because I have ADD and am prescribed with a low dosage of Adderall and I have disclosed everything to the USCG and never had an issue BUT the last thing I need is some anal retentive asshole at the NMC, or some journalist after the next big maritime accident, to pull up thus thread and confuse these two COMPLETELY different meds.
[I][B]If you want to talk about adderall, fine, I’d even contribute what I now but NOT ON THIS THREAD![/B][/I]
You may not know how it feels to stay up nights worried sick that some left coast pilot’s screwup will cost you you’re license because the one med you do take ends up on a short list of drugs the NMC watches. It sucks.
The worst part is that discussions like this confuse new mariners and will cost many with add to not get the meds they need and BELIEVE me, the last thing we need is ADD people like me not taking meds before we go on watch.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it’s time for a step down on the dosage.