[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;138478]CC,
Isn’t that your daughter at the front of the right hand column?[/QUOTE]
aw come on man…I may be the most sarcastic SOB here but try to not get personal with any member of this forum. Besides that photo would still be quite comical without the young lady in question. Just a bunch of empty hats and shoes like some Sad Sack comic from WWII!
Fucking regimental nazis!
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;138475]You’re way off again old man. A third of the crew on every one of our boats is from an academy. In some cases more than that. So we gonna switch from people with a 6000 itc license are stupid to all OSV engineers are stupid now? Then next week we will switch to KP grads are stupid. Then maybe come full circle with MarAd is a joke. Maybe we can mix in all southerners watch swamp people and honey boo boo and are therefore stupid. It’s getting old you need some new material. Be sure to use ALL CAPS so we understand what your saying.[/QUOTE]
Haven’t you figured out by now that I think EVERYONE IS STOOPID yet? KP’ers are included for attending what has become THE MOST STOOPID PLACE on the planet!
It’s just that southerners are a bit more stoopid than all the rest of the smelly unwashed American masses! We live in a stoopid country during even more stoopid times which I fear are only going to get stoopider. I think I am going to defect to New Zealand soon and ask for asylum…they certainly can’t be as stoopid there plus the lust of my life is a Kiwi!
Ach Lucy…I’mma comin yah wanton bitch! Jess promiss ya woan be gentle wit mee
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Why Are the guys front row center and left wearing two different shoes?
[QUOTE=jdcavo;138495]Why Are the guys front row center and left wearing two different shoes?[/QUOTE]
Because that’s about as rough as hazing outside of Citadel, VMI, etc. gets in today’s PC world…
[QUOTE=jdcavo;138495]Why Are the guys front row center and left wearing two different shoes?[/QUOTE]
I’m just surprised as hell that those aren’t Velcro Keds. Tomorrow’s maritime leaders my ass…what a bunch of boobs getting free $400k educations off the American taxpayer!
OUTRAGEOUS!
I just found out that one of our 3rd A/E’s is a former member of the band company at KP. He is a recent grad and was the platoon leader or whatever for the group in the screen shot you posted. He’s in the background of the video somewheres. If y’all have any questions about the band sound off and I will ask him.
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;138571]I just found out that one of our 3rd A/E’s is a former member of the band company at KP. He is a recent grad and was the platoon leader or whatever for the group in the screen shot you posted. He’s in the background of the video somewheres. If y’all have any questions about the band sound off and I will ask him.[/QUOTE]
At least this Young Man is sailing, unlike quite a few graduates of this Fine (Joke) School, so Points for Him!
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;138571]If y’all have any questions about the band sound off and I will ask him.[/QUOTE]
ask him if he was one of the twirling trombone blowers in the Beat Meat Retreat and then ask him to play “A Life on the Ocean Wave” on a kazoo from memory? If he can’t, then he could not have been in the band and must be a KP Marching Band imposter!
also ask him if the drum major gives K.R.F. blowjobs regularly?
you can then tell him that place has become a FUCKING FARCICAL EMBARRASSMENT! then give him a right sound drubbing from c.captain for being a puppet of the asinine stoopid loonacy that is the USMMA of 2014. Those poor effing kids have no idea at all of how idiotic they really are and that their screeching out of tune muzak plus bad song and dance numbers being made public like this is beyond painful for a maritime man like me to watch! tell him that it makes me want to gouge my own eyes out with a boathook and drive screwdrivers in my ears!
Oh the horror…THE HORROR!
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[QUOTE=Tugs;138572]At least this Young Man is sailing, unlike quite a few graduates of this Fine (Joke) School, so Points for Him![/QUOTE]
very true…I hope he is a good engineer and doesn’t exude any of his KP brainwashing now he is in the real world
Yes, but CFR 46 11.404 does state that 360 days as Chief Mate on ocean or NC qualifies an applicant for master UL, and it says nothing about being licensed as Chief Mate. That means you can serve on an OSV over 3,000 with Master OSV as Chief Mate, then meet the professional and exam and assessments and be issues a Master UL with no tonnage restrictions if your overall sea time meets the tonnage rules. There is a FAQ about this somewhere that I have been told about that I have not yet seen myself, and I called the USCG to confirm this and they agreed that this route does in fact exist. I may start looking into schools in LA New Orleans area and get started on this route, not much of schools in the panhandle area, and south Florida is too far and expensive for me, though I hear they have some decent ones too.
[QUOTE=OSV-Florida;138747]Yes, but CFR 46 11.404 does state that 360 days as Chief Mate on ocean or NC qualifies an applicant for master UL, and it says nothing about being licensed as Chief Mate. That means you can serve on an OSV over 3,000 with Master OSV as Chief Mate, then meet the professional and exam and assessments and be issues a Master UL with no tonnage restrictions if your overall sea time meets the tonnage rules. There is a FAQ about this somewhere that I have been told about that I have not yet seen myself, and I called the USCG to confirm this and they agreed that this route does in fact exist. I may start looking into schools in LA New Orleans area and get started on this route, not much of schools in the panhandle area, and south Florida is too far and expensive for me, though I hear they have some decent ones too.[/QUOTE]
except that there is no position as “chief mate” on an OSV over 3000gt. You may serve effectively as the “chief mate” but you are not licensed as such. There are only masters and mate licenses for vessels under UL tonnage and the safe manning certificates do not have the provision for a “chief mate”. You still must serve on a UL vessel in the position as the chief mate for at least 6 months while holding a UL chief mate’s license to upgrade to UL master although you seem to think you have found a backdoor to circumvent the mandates of 46CFR. JDCavo is the resident expert here and he says there is not one. He works in the mariner licensing section at the USCG HQ but you dispute his word. I would be offended if I were him. As a UL master who has served on UL vessels as chief mate and as master as well as on OSV’s, I am very unhappy you are trying to “game the system”. If the USCG grants you what you want, then you are getting away with that imo.
Care to tell us who you have spoken with at the NMC so JDC can set them straight? I hold that the rules are sacrosanct and are to be followed. I have known more than one seatime cheat who have gotten away with credit for time which was not true and accurate. Every day I ever used to get my licenses was truly earned and not one forged day ever used. I do not want people like you to get something you do not legally deserve or have earned like all those who have followed the rules and got their UL master’s license properly and within the letter of the law!
Sorry that is a bitch, but those are the rules, yet you obviously feel they don’t apply to you!
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Except the rules define “chief mate” as the second in command. I am still the chief mate by definition per the CG on a tug with two officers.
“The FR defines chief mate as the deck officer next in rank to the master and upon whom the command of the vessel will fall in the event of incapacity of the master.”
“For Officer endorsements for Offshore Supply Vessels (OSVs). “Chief Mate” is defined in 46 CFR 10.107 as “the deck officer next in rank to the master and upon whom the command of the vessel will fall in the event of incapacity of the master.” In the event that a vessel’s Certificate of Inspection does not require that a licensed chief mate be assigned, service credit will be granted to the officer onboard who serves the chief mate’s function. In regard to the STCW endorsement, the mariner must also meet the requirements for master as identified in the regulations (46 CFR 11.305 or 11.311 as applicable).”
How’s he guy “gaming” the system if he complies with their requirements? Don’t hate the player, hate the game!
Found it!!! Read this…
http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/faq/pdfs/stcw_faqs_14_osv_endorsements.pdf
No mention of prior unlimited license held by the commenter/poster and in the USCG response, it’s there in black and white. No ambiguity. Hate on it all you want, but that’s what it says! You are so angry, it’s a wonder you’re not dead already from being filled with such anger and hatred. It’s ok to be frustrated by the rules, but relax already, seriously!
It’s all right here in this table which is part of the rules as much as the text is. This is what JDCavo speaks of. The only path to UL master in on the far left. When the table changes then there will be that new path but there is not one yet. Maybe in the future when there are super large OSV licenses but not today.
§ 11.403 Structure of deck officer endorsements.
The following diagram illustrates the deck officer endorsement structure, including cross over points. The section numbers on the diagram refer to the specific requirements applicable.
btw, I don’t hate the game although I have no toleration for players who want to cheat while playing it!
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How can you “cheat”? Follow the rules, get approved or denied, and move on!
[QUOTE=OSV-Florida;138751]Found it!!! Read this…
http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/faq/pdfs/stcw_faqs_14_osv_endorsements.pdf
No mention of prior unlimited license held by the commenter/poster and in the USCG response, it’s there in black and white. No ambiguity. Hate on it all you want, but that’s what it says! You are so angry, it’s a wonder you’re not dead already from being filled with such anger and hatred. It’s ok to be frustrated by the rules, but relax already, seriously![/QUOTE]
That guidance document you posted does not say the rules have been changed to allow you a USCG license but an STCW endorsement. An STCW endorsement without the equivalent national certificate is not valid to serve under…that is what JDCavo has been saying all along and what you seem to not be able to understand.
Yes, you may use documented service as chief mate towards the master unlimited endorsement.
Calling JDCavo…come in JD…do you copy?
Fine…get denied for the license. That’s what I am hoping for and maybe then you will do just that!
I’m still waiting for a reply. Having trouble coming up with one?
I understand JDCavo’s input and it is appreciated. His contribution to this forum is invaluable. It’s also obvious that the poster was asking about the national license and the STCW endorsement, and the USCG was clearly answering that question. He even asked about “approval to test”, which is what you do for a national endorsement through the USCG! As far as wishing someone a denial, God help you man you are the devil incarnate! I have known plenty of guys who got their licenses by following different paths other than mine, saving them time, money, and effort, and I only wish them well. Of course I’m jealous, but they did nothing wrong!!! When you upgraded, I’m sure you took the fastest and easiest approach possible, as would any human being.
After being licensed, a sailor still needs to work his/her way up in each unique industry they choose to pursue, and any company worth their salt will not hire someone directly into a supervisory position aboard a vessel they are not familiar with. The same goes for sailors that take the jobs. If I got a masters UL through this path, I would be happy to take a job as third mate and junior DPO if I decided to give drilling a try, so I could take the time needed to learn the operations of a drill ship/rig, a little humble pie is good for everyone! But wishing people ill, hoping they have to sacrifice more money, effort, time away from family and lost years of potential higher income to provide for those families just because you had to work harder for something is just psychotic, you twisted f@@k, and I wish the same misfortune to you and your family too.
Wow, C. Captain is waiting on me, I feel so honored!
STCW Frequently Asked Questions: OSV Endorsements
For Officer endorsements for Offshore Supply Vessels (OSVs). The text of 46 CFR 11.493 master (OSV) says that at least one-half of the required experience must be served as chief mate. The FR defines chief mate as the deck officer next in rank to the master and upon whom the command of the vessel will fall in the event of incapacity of the master. On nearly all OSVs there is no requirement for an officer to hold a national endorsement as chief mate on the Certificate of Inspection due to the two-watch system in effect, yet the person serving as mate meets the definition of chief mate stated above. Yet in multiple locations in the preamble the text says, “Where the mariner holds a management-level credential, and fills the position as mate, and the position meets the definition of chief mate found in 10.107, then that service will be credited as chief mate.” The preamble view would make achievement of master (OSV) not possible by a person holding and serving as mate (OSV). Please confirm that a mate (OSV) serving on a vessel where the only required deck officers are a master and a mate will be given chief mate service credit despite text in the preamble that attempts to override the chief mate definition in the FR text?
For Officer endorsements for Offshore Supply Vessels (OSVs). “Chief Mate” is defined in 46 CFR 10.107 as “the deck officer next in rank to the master and upon whom the command of the vessel will fall in the event of incapacity of the master.” In the event that a vessel’s Certificate of Inspection does not require that a licensed chief mate be assigned, service credit will be granted to the officer onboard who serves the chief mate’s function. In regard to the STCW endorsement, the mariner must also meet the requirements for master as identified in the regulations (46 CFR 11.305 or 11.311 as applicable).
I currently hold a Master OSV 6,000 ITC endorsement, have been working under authority of that license as chief mate on an OSV of over 4,000 GT for well over 360 days, and have completed all of the master’s assessments. It appears that, under this final rule, I may be able to test directly for a master unlimited endorsement and bypass the chief mate endorsement. I want to be sure that that is the case so I can make application immediately.
Yes, you may use documented service as chief mate towards the master unlimited endorsement. You may receive a tonnage limitation based upon the service that you submit. (In this case, the mariner would not receive a limitation since all service is over 3,000 GT.)
[B]The attached memo from the Coast Guard suggests that time on a Large OSV can be credited toward time as “Chief Mate”.[/B]
