In Ak we are running from Dutch to the Chukchi Sea - so 200 nm + would be easy
Don’t forget - Gulf Stream makes likely hood of the very remote chance of a catastrophe slim in regards to a loss reaching the coast (Canada or US)
Naughty naughty no crewboats since they will violate the right whale speed limits!
Not gonna happen north of NJ. But if so Boston or davisville are your probable options due to their connections to the outside world though. Portland doesn’t have nearly as much vacant or available pier space. The longshoreman learned there lessons and have had to adapt some to stay in business. Also plenty of terminals have their own labor without the ILA. Lot of vacant wharfage. Anchoring and Laying up rigs is unlikely as they wold probably go to Halifax or wherever they already are Doing so.
Ill be surprised if they even start the Barge container transport in Maine,and thats half on shore impact. I will believe it when I see it.There might be an endangered snail living where ther want to put container storage. And more boats the better, More lobsters to sell ,thats the only thing they want anyone to export…
[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;136609]They won’t even let them dredge Searsport! A strategically important port for the region where it’s not even possible to dock your average-sized fully-loaded ship! The funniest part about that whole NJ salt crisis thing is that even if they could have gotten a ship to go up there and get the salt, they wouldn’t have been able to take more than a little bit of it before the ship was aground at the dock!
The environmentalists in Maine are really bad, but you want to know who the real criminals are? LOBSTERMEN. I swear, lobstermen are worse than the damn longshore unions. Everyone always says, “Oh you can’t say that, they’re just a bunch of hard working guys trying to put food on the table for their families.” NO. SCREW THEM. They think they own the f******g ocean and don’t want anyone to use it except them. That’s why places on the coast of Maine like Searsport that have HUGE economic potential can’t do anything but run around in circles with their heads up their asses…
There is no future for the maritime industry on the coast of Maine, not for oil, not for short-sea-shipping, not for anything. The lobstermen and the environmentalists combined will make DAMN sure of that. I would like to see drilling start off of New England if only to see all the mighty resources of big oil come to bear and eternally crush the souls of lobstermen and environmentalists from New York to Eastport. Let 'em all burn!!![/QUOTE]
Paddy. For Christ’s sake calm down. I think you need to take a few of c.captain’s little pink pills before your head explodes.
Kraken claims that on the eighth day the Lord made Norwegian mariners, but he’s wrong. On the eighth day the Lord made Lobstermen. On the ninth day the Lord realized that he had left a vital part off all the men. So the Lord made millions of those man parts in a variety of different sizes, then he gave the Lobstermen first pick! Everyone in Maine knows this is true.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;136620]Paddy. For Christ’s sake calm down. I think you need to take a few of c.captain’s little pink pill before your head explodes.
Kraken claims that on the eighth day the Lord made Norwegian mariners, but he’s wrong. On the eighth day the Lord made Lobstermen. On the ninth day the Lord realized that he had left a vital part off all the men. So the Lord made millions of those man parts in a variety of different sizes, then he gave the Lobstermen first pick![/QUOTE]
C.Captain hasn’t got any little pink pills, only little blue ones. I don’t need any of those just yet!
He may have given Lobstermen first pick but it didn’t do them any good because they’re too thick to know which way is up, never mind matters of anatomy!
[QUOTE=PaddyWest2012;136621]C.Captain hasn’t got any little pink pills, only little blue ones. I don’t need any of those just yet!
He may have given Lobstermen first pick but it didn’t do them any good because they’re too thick to know which way is up, never mind matters of anatomy![/QUOTE]
I don’t know shit about Lobstermen or the fishery. But if they are like most other fishermen, they are hanging on a thread from year to year hoping for a big payday. The only thing they want is stability and that is never going to happen in fisheries. So knowing that, a solution or common ground response should be looked into. Most likely whenever something like a buyout pops up or other schemes, the fleet will split, fighting will occur and the conquering will have begun. I do not support messing with their livelihoods outright, but if they resist change and any kind of compromise, I might. There are other people that need to make a living besides just them.
Off shore Drilling,Dam we cant even have a Hooters in Maine…
Precisely. I don’t deny their right to exist, make a living, feed their families, or live the good life. They can, and should, have all that. But if they think for one second that they should be the only ones to use the bays and harbors of the country to make a living, as many of them do think, then as far as I’m concerned they can go straight to hell.
[QUOTE=mainecheng;136612]In Ak we are running from Dutch to the Chukchi Sea - so 200 nm + would be easy
Don’t forget - Gulf Stream makes likely hood of the very remote chance of a catastrophe slim in regards to a loss reaching the coast (Canada or US)[/QUOTE]
Alaska is a special case. Its about 1000 miles from Dutch Harbor to the Burger Prospect in the Chukchi. That’s probably the longest OSV supply run on Earth. That’s not practical or sustainable beyond a few test wells.
If substantial quantities of oil are found in the Chukchi, a support base(s) will have to be built within a reasonable distance. In my view Point Hope is the best option. Its only about 150 miles from the Burger Prospect. Its quite similar to the Homer Spit with deep water right up to the beach, lots of partially protected anchorage, and a good opportunity to build a fully protected manmade harbor. Lots of vacant land and materials right there. Its also ice free for longer than the drilling season. The Baldwin Peninsular is the second best option at around 300 miles away, even though it ices in before Point Hope. Port Clarence is too far away for routine supply runs, but that would need to be developed too as a beginning and end of season, port that would be ice free the longest.
Getting back to the East Coast, you are absolutely right that a big spill outside of George’s Bank would be very unlikely to come ashore in the US. That is one reason why I think it will be the first place to get drilling approval. The other reason is that if the Canadians are drilling there anyway, its no more risky for us to drill too.
If a 200 to 300 mile run is acceptable for routine offshore supply runs, drilling off Georges could be supported from any place between Halifax and Davisville. If the Canadians find oil off Georges, I’ll be surprised if they don’t put up some economic development money to build a support base somewhere between Yarmouth and Shelburne. That’s the closest land and the South Shore of Nova Scotia sure as hell needs an economic boost and jobs.
If the only thing standing in the way of drilling is the worry of a spill hitting American shore I must say this is a little scary. In case of spill it will follow the gulf stream and hit Ireland and Norway. And if it’s no risk too North America would safety be paramount?
I just want to be on the dock with a camera the first time a Fourchonian mariner ties up a 320’ OSV with four 10’ breast lines in Halifax or Eastport.
(Yes I am presently stuck in the big $ world of GOM OSV’s)
Yeah, but to be fair. Gary will only pay the line handlers for three.
I can see fisherman getting a bit nervous about drilling in their back yard BUT, as a previous poster stated - they are hanging on by a thread and want stability. Well, how hard would it be for a fisherman, to switch over to supporting the oil industry? More stability, more money - yeah, they probably lack the license to jump on an OSV but they should be able to overcome that. If not, there will be plenty of shoreside support jobs that need to be filled.
Idk, looks like a long term win-win to me.
Some bugpickers make way more than you may think, same for scallopers. They’re not all broke, when you buy a new diesel F350 every 2 years and build new half million dollar boats every 5-10 years. I have to agree on some counts paddy, the crybaby status is getting old. Its often guys who went dragging back in the glory days dumping tens of thousands of pounds of discards overboard because they could get more $ for another species crying that they can’t make a living today. A lot has to do with mismanagement but they deserve a big part of the blame themselves.
A family in my 'hood has lobstered and gillnetted since colonial days and does quite well to this day. They cash in at every opportunity and hire their boats out to non-fishery projects whenever possible. Total opposite of the crybaby mentality elsewhere. They’re all about working with others rather than fighting; they see it as we have the right to make a living on the water just as they do.
Do you think that since it’s the way we do it down here that we don’t know how to do it any other way?
Agreed! Moor at five docks a day and see how many lines you tie up with!
I think a C-Port Wanchese or C-Port Gloucester has a nice ring to it!!!
C-Port Rudee Inlet would make it appropriately crowded, small and chaotic
It’s not a matter of numbers, it’s really a matter of what direction they run and where from on the vessel.
That wont happen no matter how deep mr gary reaches in his pockets.