Here’s what I can tell you . Every engineer that works at the same company as me, makes at least 725/day. Regardless of whether they have a 4000 hp DDE or CE any hp. That puts them at 132,675 for six months. More if they work that silly 28/14 schedule. Welcome to the big money, Sailor.
[QUOTE=“Johnny Canal;122762”]
just so that I understand, you are saying 3A/E on unlimited HP PSV is making approx 120K? that would be in line with top paying diesel plants on MLL or Polar ships (if not higher), but that’s only if you can get 6mos work. if so, that’s great.
but how many large DSV/PSVs and unlimited HP/tonnage OSVs are running around GOM? it would seem that vast majority of GOM boats are not unlimited tonnage/hp, and therefore don’t pay their engineers as much as larger boats. same goes for mates.
if anybody knows, i’m definitely curious as to the answers. i just switched from deep sea, so i’m pretty green to the brown water arena.[/QUOTE]
Why do you need unlimited tonnage/horsepower osv? All you need is a vessel over 100 tons for you sea time to count and over 4000 hp to get the unlimited hp on you license. That will get you all the way up to 1st A/E. Oh I’m at $155,000 for 6 months work on a osv also.
[QUOTE="+A465B;122741"]Why don’t people get hired?
Well, we look at about 100 resumes a week for well paid even rotation jobs on new vessels.
- Skill set doesn’t match job applied for
- Insufficient experience doing what we do. Close can help, but has to be something relevant and in depth. Cannot hire a guy as 1st on a 100,000 kW plant that has only experience as assistant on a 180 ft PSV and great references Sorry - but experience is not relevant.
Funny how you guys use DPO’s from a PSV that size in a heart beat. I know of 4 guys that got hired right after they obtained there 3rd mate from DPO’s on PSV. Any reason why that counts versus Engineers off PSV?
[QUOTE=power230;122766]Why do you need unlimited tonnage/horsepower osv? All you need is a vessel over 100 tons for you sea time to count and over 4000 hp to get the unlimited hp on you license. That will get you all the way up to 1st A/E. Oh I’m at $155,000 for 6 months work on a osv also.[/QUOTE]
i’m not saying you need it, i’m just asking are there a lot of OSVs/PSVs, etc. in the GOM that are big enough to require unlimited engineers and unlimited mates? ships are all unlimited mates and engineers. we don’t have DDEs or ITC stuff.
roughly how big (length,HP) is the boat you work on? and what is your position?
[quote=“johnny canal;122768”]
i’m not saying you need it, i’m just asking are there a lot of osvs/psvs, etc. In the gom that are big enough to require unlimited engineers and unlimited mates? Ships are all unlimited mates and engineers. We don’t have ddes or itc stuff.
Roughly how big (length,hp) is the boat you work on? And what is your position?[/quote]
280’ 7200 hp… C/e
[QUOTE=SoCalSalt;122764]Here’s what I can tell you . Every engineer that works at the same company as me, makes at least 725/day. Regardless of whether they have a 4000 hp DDE or CE any hp. That puts them at 132,675 for six months. More if they work that silly 28/14 schedule. Welcome to the big money, Sailor.[/QUOTE]
after 9 days on a car carrier going from Brunswick, GA to Philly to Wilmington to Baltimore to Charleston to the last US port Jacksonville where we had stores, bunkers, ABS, USCG after docking a floating warehouse in 35kt offshore beam winds in the pissing rain all between 0600 and 1200 i was pretty sure I had had enough. even though I hadn’t gotten so much as an autoreply from any of my driller and boat operator applications, i was pretty sure i was quitting after we returned from the voyage to the persian gulf.
i went on watch at 1200 thinking the next 4-6 hrs would be fairly normal with only cargo ops remaining before we sailed for the Suez.
at 1245 a chick from the Dept. of Agriculture packing a Berretta 92 on her hip showed up to check the garbage room and the garbage log.
I was positive i was quitting at that point.
very few raises, getting closer to working 12-14hrs every day, STCW work log Nazis, port state control wankers, little to no shoreside/office support, never getting ashore, etc., all while being expected to do and handle more for the same amount of money!?
Enough was enough.
[QUOTE=power230;122767][QUOTE="+A465B;122741"]Why don’t people get hired?
Well, we look at about 100 resumes a week for well paid even rotation jobs on new vessels.
- Skill set doesn’t match job applied for
- Insufficient experience doing what we do. Close can help, but has to be something relevant and in depth. Cannot hire a guy as 1st on a 100,000 kW plant that has only experience as assistant on a 180 ft PSV and great references Sorry - but experience is not relevant.
Funny how you guys use DPO’s from a PSV that size in a heart beat. I know of 4 guys that got hired right after they obtained there 3rd mate from DPO’s on PSV. Any reason why that counts versus Engineers off PSV?[/QUOTE]
i can’t say for sure, but my experience as job seeker with unlimited master’s license earned by way of time on tankers, bulkers, containers, and RO/ROs as c/m,etc. and approx 180 days as a semi-sub MODU DPO who has taken both DP classes it all means nothing w/o that Nautical Institute Unlimted DP certificate. i finally got hired as DPO trainee making approx 45k less than a certified DPO, but it wasn’t easy.
my current vessel is a 6th generation dual activity drillship (built 2010). 3 of the 4 SDPOs have NO license. they are making at least 175K before retention bonus of nearly 30K. this company will not be hiring anymore DPOs w/o licenses, but they certainly value these guys here (and they are most certainly valuable). they are pushing them to get their license, but not very hard. if they don’t get their license, they might demote them in some form or fire them, but not for many years.
It’s all about the cert, period. I’m still kicking myself in the rear for not getting it 4 years ago when I was working for C-MAR as a contract DPO standing a DP watch with multiple other DPOs who also didn’t have certs. as long as one person on the bridge had an NI unlimited DP cert and there was also somebody with a license (not necessarily the same person) there, it was all good.
those days are pretty much gone, as far as I can tell.
Power 230,
It is not the PSV to ship jump I was writing about - it was only an example how we might not choose to select someone for the 1st engineer job on a complex plant when the candidate only has experience on relatively simple ships with limited systems and equipment.
Now to jump them to 3rd engineer slot on a complex ship is generally not problematic, because familiarity with shipboard operations and the mechanical systems meet our expectations for that position, and relevant experience can be gained on a PSV. By the time one is 1st engineer, it is important to have mastered a variety of systems and equipment - and a lot of that gear is just not present on a PSV.
We give preference to mates with experience closer to what we operate, but similar to engineers, our expectations for the incoming experience of 3rd mates, by default, are lower than for chief officers.
[QUOTE=+A465B;122776]Power 230,
It is not the PSV to ship jump I was writing about - it was only an example how we might not choose to select someone for the 1st engineer job on a complex plant when the candidate only has experience on relatively simple ships with limited systems and equipment.
Now to jump them to 3rd engineer slot on a complex ship is generally not problematic, because familiarity with shipboard operations and the mechanical systems meet our expectations for that position, and relevant experience can be gained on a PSV. By the time one is 1st engineer, it is important to have mastered a variety of systems and equipment - and a lot of that gear is just not present on a PSV.
We give preference to mates with experience closer to what we operate, but similar to engineers, our expectations for the incoming experience of 3rd mates, by default, are lower than for chief officers.[/QUOTE]
Are you specifically talking about drilling contractors hiring practices?
If so, why are they hiring brand new maritime school grads as 3/m and 3a/e who have no experience, no track record, and no real appreciation for the kind of money the drillers are throwing around while I know many qualified, seasoned mates and engineers sailing in jr and sr positions who have had put in application after application with drillers for entry level positions and have gotten absolutely nowhere?
what’s even worse is when brand new 3/Ms are being hired right into dpo trainee slots! whose ideas are these?
i seriously fail to understand how HR or whatever it is called rationalizes the hiring/training process for the “marine dept” at deep sea drillers. it’s a serious eye opener now that i’m here.
it’s not like we’re talking about a pierhead jump for any position on a ship sailing tomorrow, but rather an application process.
i seriously hope it’s not some “train them how we operate” mentality.
somebody, anybody, please educate me on either how this works, what I might be missing, and what, if any, rationale is being used for these selections.
Not talking drilling contractors, so I cannot answer your question about the marine department hiring / vetting process there. Sorry.
Our intention is hiring qualified persons that do NOT make headaches.
In every instance we will take a less experienced person that gets on with the job, demonstrates a willingness to learn and shows by nature that they are inclined to get along with people ---- over the most experienced and certificated person known to man kind, if the experienced person is or will become a problem child.
There is your real world insight, and I suppose it works that way most everyplace paying good wages …
[QUOTE=+A465B;122784]Not talking drilling contractors, so I cannot answer your question about the marine department hiring / vetting process there. Sorry.
Our intention is hiring qualified persons that do NOT make headaches.
In every instance we will take a less experienced person that gets on with the job, demonstrates a willingness to learn and shows by nature that they are inclined to get along with people ---- over the most experienced and certificated person known to man kind, if the experienced person is or will become a problem child.
There is your real world insight, and I suppose it works that way most everyplace paying good wages …[/QUOTE]
i agree with you about the real world insight. yes, of course, that’s how it’s supposed to work.
and that might be practical if you really have good referrals and known entities whom HR can cross check. however, if you graduated last year, let alone this past may or june, you can’t give that much info for your application.
i am talking about people i have sailed with who do have good reputations, or at the very least blemish free, and don’t make headaches.
i’d really like to hear someone from the MODU world chime in on this.
Yes, very true …
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;122790]i agree with you about the real world insight. yes, of course, that’s how it’s supposed to work.
and that might be practical if you really have good referrals and known entities whom HR can cross check. however, if you graduated last year, let alone this past may or june, you can’t give that much info for your application.
i am talking about people i have sailed with who do have good reputations, or at the very least blemish free, and don’t make headaches.
i’d really like to hear someone from the MODU world chime in on this.[/QUOTE]
(From the MODU World)
Listen, I hate to be blunt, but it really isn’t what you know or your qualifications as much as who you know, can you get someone in a company to push your resume forward. That alone will push your resume to the top of the pile. Its also about how you are, this industry in a whole is small, everyone knows something about everyone. If you are a prick and that is known, all it takes is someone at a current company to chime his two sense into HR and that will push your resume into the shredder, its a fact. Its not easy out there right now, even with all of the newbuilds. Currently I am in the process of hiring people for a new drill ship and most if not all of the resumes are referrals from curent employees or friends of current employees, and those get looked at right away and interviews are done and they are hired, its easier that way. But it also doesn’t create a fair playing field, but thats life, life is not fair. All I can say to everyone is just keep trying and trying, call HR, talk to people, don’t just leave messages. If anyone ever has any questions, you can always PM me, and I am willing to discuss.
Absolutely 100% correct at our company.
Although we try not to get too many “friends” on the same ship.
[QUOTE=PDCMATE;122798](From the MODU World)
Listen, I hate to be blunt, but it really isn’t what you know or your qualifications as much as who you know, can you get someone in a company to push your resume forward. That alone will push your resume to the top of the pile. Its also about how you are, this industry in a whole is small, everyone knows something about everyone. If you are a prick and that is known, all it takes is someone at a current company to chime his two sense into HR and that will push your resume into the shredder, its a fact. Its not easy out there right now, even with all of the newbuilds. Currently I am in the process of hiring people for a new drill ship and most if not all of the resumes are referrals from curent employees or friends of current employees, and those get looked at right away and interviews are done and they are hired, its easier that way. But it also doesn’t create a fair playing field, but thats life, life is not fair. All I can say to everyone is just keep trying and trying, call HR, talk to people, don’t just leave messages. If anyone ever has any questions, you can always PM me, and I am willing to discuss.[/QUOTE]
great! then i will fwd a resume to you from a 3/m who graduated yesterday as the anchorman at ACME Maritime Academy. since i know him (but never have worked with him, b/c he’s never worked anywhere) and i work at your company, i’ll tell him he has the job in the bag. And he should feel free to go ahead and by that new car, he’s clearly earned it.
is the system really that bad? i know it’s not fair, but it seems just short of the “r” word.
No - it isn’t that bad.
Do good work, be willing to listen and learn, get along consistently, try to have a kind word for everyone and don’t be a bellyaching headache.
Your career will be a success by default. Class anchorman ? So what, as long as he observes the above principles, he is welcome.
It helps a little bit too if you like dogs and football.
[QUOTE=“Johnny Canal;122837”]
great! then i will fwd a resume to you from a 3/m who graduated yesterday as the anchorman at ACME Maritime Academy. since i know him (but never have worked with him, b/c he’s never worked anywhere) and i work at your company, i’ll tell him he has the job in the bag. And he should feel free to go ahead and by that new car, he’s clearly earned it.
is the system really that bad? i know it’s not fair, but it seems just short of the “r” word.[/QUOTE]
Send me his resume. He obviously doesn’t have his DP cert, is he willing to start as AB? Plus, I need to know who you are for the referral.
Also, if most of you are that naive on how the world works, then I feel bad for you. People don’t like to hear the truth.
[QUOTE=PDCMATE;122919]Send me his resume. He obviously doesn’t have his DP cert, is he willing to start as AB? Plus, I need to know who you are for the referral.[/QUOTE]
pdcmate,
i can only assume you are being sincere. unfortunately, i was being sarcastic to make fun of how bad the hiring system apparently is.
armed with the knowledge you gave me, i will probably never refer anybody where i work so that more people like myself (who knew no one at my current employer, and waited many, many months for any attention) have more chances to get these drill ship jobs.
for all i know, i work at the same company as you, and the last thing I want to do is to contribute to this deeply engrained boobery.
[QUOTE=Johnny Canal;123002]pdcmate,
i can only assume you are being sincere. unfortunately, i was being sarcastic to make fun of how bad the hiring system apparently is.
armed with the knowledge you gave me, i will probably never refer anybody where i work so that more people like myself (who knew no one at my current employer, and waited many, many months for any attention) have more chances to get these drill ship jobs.
for all i know, i work at the same company as you, and the last thing I want to do is to contribute to this deeply engrained boobery.[/QUOTE]
This is the problem with many mariners, they think because they had it rough or had to jump through hoops, than screw everyone else, everyone should have to do the same, that is a horrible mentality and one that is out of date. Because you did not get referred nor get hired right away, should not deter you from assisting others, who you truly know and know can do a good job, in getting them looked at first. You seem to be very selfish and just from that I do not think you work for the company I work for. I would put you at Transocean or Noble.