Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

[QUOTE=A Cooke;39433]
I have confidence that BP are doing all that anyone could do right now and have been doing for several weeks. What I don’t have, is any confidence that this industry goes about what it does with the level of responsibility commensurate with the consequences. A red hot Alcor, or any number of other competent, diligent and professional individuals, whose heartfelt comments I read here, on the guages every day, every second of every day, making sure that there is no blow out on their rig, is great for that rig, it is not a solution. Somewhere, there will be an idiot that is not awake, not watching. The risk of failure is too close. The capability to interrogate the mode of failure (as we see here - is the casing integrity compromised ?) and take action as a consequence (stick more gaffer tape on the spanner) is not up to the task.
Kent - I am not impressed and again, the gulf between technology applied to extraction and technology applied to dealing with failure, is shown as being huge and incompatible with the nature of the task…[/QUOTE]

I have confidence that BP is doing everything they can to save the share price of their stock & that is the single overriding factor in their present decision making. They were only concerned about cost cutting when they made the decisions to cause this disaster, they have only been concerned about cost cutting since. I am sorry this company has succeeded in making you believe there are no competent operators in the GOM. This is the bigger issue now & will continue to be going forward. This distrust made possible by the negligent actions of one outlaw company & further propagated by an incompetent federal response & oversight of the events which followed can only give one without prior knowledge such a distorted view. I am noit saying you are the problem. I am saying that this whole mess is giving you as well as any other bystanders a distorted viewpoint because all the people in control of what led up to this disaster & the whole response since are completely incompetent. BTW, since so many other comments made by A cooke on the post I am refering to are so accurate, please forgive me if I don’t buy into any more BP rhetoric about how they’re going to have this thing capped off where their won’t be any more flow. Just wake me up when the well is killed. Until then ALL is cheap trickery designed to make it look like “BP is doing everything to make it right.” You want to make it right. Unass the five hours of live E-drill you are hiding from the public. Admit you totally screwed up by putting cost cutting above safety. Admit you lied to make others look like they were in kahoots with you in your efforts to ignore the safety of rig workers & the environment in your dice roll of snake eyes to save yourselves money & look good further up your chain of command, or else give us proof of payoffs & bribes to MMS officials you were in bed with. Admit you lied & misled the public from the beginning of the response to attempt to limit your liability & clean up costs which you were going to inevitably incurr. Admit what you are doing now is probably another attempt to save your sotck price for another week & your jobs for another week & then, maybe then, we the American people will begin to believe that there is hope that you can change. Until then you are nothing more than viscious bloody murderers willing to tell whatever lie you have to, to cover your bloody trail.
Edit: I will again ask the question I asked several weeks ago & have continued to ask & will continue to ask. CAN BP EVER BE TRUSTED TO DRILL ANOTHER WELL IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? … Personally, I don’t even trust them to do the job on the relief wells. Otherwise why would they be making this move with the new cap when they are so close with the kill well. There is something they are not telling us the SMALL people. I smell another skunk in the wood pile.

[QUOTE=Alf;39426]Take a close look (zoom in to the bottom of the white board at the back) at this photo to see obvious evidence of tampering…

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/images/GOM_simops_operations_top_kill_houston.jpg[/QUOTE]

Alf, any idea what that was about?

Right on A Cooke. I have no direct experience in the exploration business. For an industry that is not that new, the response to this accident is amazingly amateurish. I can not imagine any other industry behaving this way. The contradictory statements about the facts and fixes are amazing.

Number of iterations of top hat and junk shots to now capping it completely leave you without much confidence.

Some like Alcor want us to trust BP regardless of the performance. When pressed, Alcor wants to blame the culture of Amoco etc. He may have experience but it is hard to believe that he does not have an agenda. Others are struggling to get facts and are left to desperation.

May be the Feds are BP are working together in a rational manner but flip flops on solutions and apparent lack of transparency by both parties are worrisome.

Clearly our need for oil is going to be there for a long while, however the industry needs to do a deep soul searching with respect to its performance and safety unless they want to loose all the support Public has been willing to give. At minimum this Industry has to do this in its own interest if not for us.

I suppose I am hoping for miracle…

Do you folks have any idea what this is?

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The pics are from this doomer site:

http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,68178.6675.html

[QUOTE=company man 1;39447]Alf, any idea what that was about? (the photoshopped projection screen in the BP war room picture)[/QUOTE]
CM I’ve thought about that too. Either a blank screen was up the the PR department liked people working so shopped in a more interesting projection screen; or the real projection screen had something proprietary on the screen and they photoshopped it out… Interesting either way; because at least in photojournalism you can’t photoshop any picture, I believe.

[QUOTE=tvhawaii;39411]NO Lady, just to (kinda’) clear things up a bit.

Back around the time the Forum went South, I had asked the creator of the site, Michael Davis, via E-mail, a question that was posed by Alcor. Copy below:
"Hi Michael

If you have the time, could you please stop by:

‘alcor’ has asked:
“Do you have contact with the author? Where did he arrive at a figure of 4.1 Bbl Gain?
It relies heavily on mud being lost to the weak zone, allowing gas to expand. And conveniently, the figures result in gas
below the Seal Assy which will not eject the Hanger.
Has he arranged the ‘gain’ value to suit his own purposes?
Do you have any other interpretation?”

The spreadsheet is titled, “Force To Lift Macando Casing Hanger When Seated and Unseated.xlsx”, and I can’t see the
’seated vs. unseated’ parts. Locking ring?

Thank you in advance if you can make it by.

Michael Painter (tvhawaii)"

He replied with:
Michael Davis wrote:
> Tell him the 4.1 bbls expands to 70 feet 8.4 bbls and 800 psi under
> the casing hanger and that was enough to breakdown the weak zone and
> push mud out of annulus.
>
> It wasn’t arbitrarily applied like Obama’s moratorium.
>
> Warmest Regards,

And I wrote back with:
"Thanks for the prompt reply, Michael
.
He asks again, "Where did he arrive at a figure of 4.1 Bbl Gain?

What he’s saying is, how did you come up with the 4.1 number?

Thanks again,

–Michael (tvhawaii)"

And he never replied. The document in question was hyperlinked within:Deepwater Horizon Blowout Root Cause Analysis.docx and the link was:
Force To Lift Macando Casing Hanger When Seated and Unseated.xlsx
At that time, the link opened a spreadsheet titled "Casing Pressures.xlsx, which I’m unable to attach because I get “Invalid File”. But -now- when you open that link, you get a totally different spreadsheet which doesn’t mention anything about the mysterious 4.1bbls.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out what happened and if anyone wants to see the original, PM me with your E-mail address and I’ll send it to you.[/QUOTE]

There’s absolutely no way the author could possibly know that 4.1 Bbls entered the well. I think he was using this figure to illustrate the effects of migrating gas, the force against the Hanger required to unseat it. The figures were very impressive, but there’s no way he could know the value to be 4.1 Bbls. It may be more, it may be less. What he suggested is that the open hole would absorb mud in the weak zone allowing the bubble pressure to reduce to a figure which would not have blown out the rupture disks, and would not have blown out the Hanger.
Everything is based on the premise that a weak zone absorbed the overpressure. The other school of thought is that the overpressure caused the cement to be pushed back into the hydrocarbon formation, again ensuring that the Hanger was not threatened.
We all ‘know’ or ‘think’ the Hanger was ejected. Personally, I don’t know. I suspect it has been ejected, but do not discount flow from the inside of the casing.
All the data will be revealed, and it may be that many of us have to rescind our negative comments and statements.

We are running rupture disks on surface casing tommorow. So, please do not be persuaded that they aren’t widely used to relieve pressure in a well that generates a great deal of heat, especially HPHT wells (High Pressure High Temperature).

[QUOTE=dsmith;39449]Do you folks have any idea what this is?

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dsmith they are from Enterprise ROV2 so [I]I think[/I] they may be the bottom of the riser system that went to the LMRP Cap that was hung off of drill pipe. Again, [I]I think.[/I]

Is it photoshopped or a blur filter placed over it??

ROVs have bionic arms, now threading the bolts in place on the transition spool. 6 Million Dollar man eat your heart out!
http://www.jtnog.org/

[QUOTE=BLISTERS;39422][QUOTE=bigmoose;39393]

Bigmoose, there is absolutely no way at this point that I could attain the type of technical prowess and integrity characters like CM1 has attained, let alone on this forum to take on the Alcor team. I have 30 years experience and would need at least another 10 to 15 years to get anywhere close to the likes of CM1’s experience. In my local oil patch thankfully wise CEOs are begging truly experienced companymen who were wrongfully forced into hibernation to come back with big bucks. We suspect insurance pressures are playing a role in this. One guy I know, and there are only a few like these that I had the honor to work with, are citing excuses like , they won’t qualify for HUET to politely decline but are counter offered with superintendent roles in town.

My guess is CM1 is keeping his powder dry for the moment and has other priorities to attend to.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the complimentary remarks!

[QUOTE=alcor;39454][QUOTE=BLISTERS;39422]

Thanks for the complimentary remarks![/QUOTE]

I always suspected you had a penchant for enjoying pain Alcorri. I hope this kill works or else you guys are in for a medieval fiesta in the darkest of dungeons with various H/openers.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:a9GnFxIC3R4C2M:http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/4332/32061775.jpg

[QUOTE=Alf;39426]Take a close look (zoom in to the bottom of the white board at the back) at this photo to see obvious evidence of tampering…

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/images/GOM_simops_operations_top_kill_houston.jpg[/QUOTE]

Not that I would trust anything that BP is telling/showing us these days, but in the case of this picture there is no conspiracy. Yes, the image has been (crudely) manipulated. But no, no information has been hidden or exchanged.

Looking at the crop lines at the bottom of the screen, particularly at the heads of the tow guys sitting in front of it, and at the alignment of the lines of the “Windows Taskbar” at the lower end of the screen, one can obviously recognize they edited the picture by changing the contrast settings and/or color values of this section to give a better impression of what is shown on the screen. It is the same image, not a different one, we see now. The properties of that section have been adjusted, but it has not been substituted with something new to hide stuff we were not supposed to see.

I am no drilling engineer, but this I have been doing for a couple of years to make a living myself. Believe me, most pictures you see in newspapers and magazines today are manipulated in this very fashion, only a lot more skilled so nobody notices it.

[QUOTE=company man 1;39443]Dell, obviously I have not kept up with the thread over the past couple of weeks since we seemed to encounter technical difficulties. Could you post a link with proof of Anadarko’s response of agreeing to the unsafe irresponsible acts performed by BP’s engineering group with regards to design change & disregard to Halliburton’s recommendations as well as BP not following their own recommendations of complete circulation before mixing & pumping the final cement job?[/QUOTE]

First, though, WELCOME BACK!!

As for your question, the piece was this: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/75cd4c30-83ae-11df-b6d5-00144feabdc0.html Frankly, I was shocked: with the kind of noises that Anadarko had been making, this was the last thing that I would have expected. FT is the British equivalent of WSJ: this story was doubtless leaked out of BP world HQ on St. James Place. But then when Anadarko confirms it… (If the link doesn’t work, let me know and I will cut and paste in the key parts of the article.)

I have noted that, since that story came out, Anadarko has STFU.

[QUOTE=company man 1;39446] * * * You want to make it right. Unass the five hours of live E-drill you are hiding from the public. Admit you totally screwed up by putting cost cutting above safety. Admit you lied to make others look like they were in kahoots with you in your efforts to ignore the safety of rig workers & the environment in your dice roll of snake eyes to save yourselves money & look good further up your chain of command, or else give us proof of payoffs & bribes to MMS officials you were in bed with. Admit you lied & misled the public from the beginning of the response to attempt to limit your liability & clean up costs which you were going to inevitably incurr. Admit what you are doing now is probably another attempt to save your sotck price for another week & your jobs for another week & then, maybe then, we the American people will begin to believe that there is hope that you can change. Until then you are nothing more than viscious bloody murderers willing to tell whatever lie you have to, to cover your bloody trail. * * *[/QUOTE]

cm1,

As an outraged citizen, I agree. From what I see here, most people with knowledge of the industry and not on BP’s payroll agree. But if your title was Chief Legal Officer for BP, or if you were heading one of their crisis management consultancies, wouldn’t you be doing the exact opposite, exactly what they have been doing, in order to keep options open to point the fickle finger of blame somewhere, anywhere else (e.g. as your old sparring partner does)?

[QUOTE=company man 1;39446] * * * I will again ask the question I asked several weeks ago & have continued to ask & will continue to ask. CAN BP EVER BE TRUSTED TO DRILL ANOTHER WELL IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA? … Personally, I don’t even trust them to do the job on the relief wells. Otherwise why would they be making this move with the new cap when they are so close with the kill well. There is something they are not telling us the SMALL people. I smell another skunk in the wood pile.[/QUOTE]

One thing that we small people aren’t seeing or hearing about clearly is the Chu/gov’t brainiac - BP interaction. There is an untold story there. I suspicion that whether the gov’t pursues debarment of BP will depend on Chu’s impression of them. They’ve been spending [B][I]lots[/I][/B] of quality time together.

OK, here is one to analyize. After the bolts were removed and the flanges split, inspection showed only 1 drill pipe sticking up out of the flex joint! The second DP was gone, pooofed gone!

[SIZE=2]Kent. Wells said one surprise was that when a remaining stub of pipe was removed from the top of the well early Sunday in preparation for the cap installation, only one piece of drill pipe was found inside. Earlier video had shown two pieces of drill pipe in the stub — one that should have been there and another that ended up there after the blowout. “We don’t know where the second piece of pipe has fallen to” he said. [/SIZE]

hey bigmoose…what’s going on? I just drove in to new orleans…sitten back having cigarrette

well ,look who flew back, to Kansas!

Well, well, it starts NOL. CM1 is going to be proven right that BP may never again drill in the USA…

BP PLC is in talks with U.S. independent oil and gas producer Apache Corp. on a deal worth as much as $10 billion that could include stakes in BP’s vast Alaska operations, according to people familiar with the matter.
… and there is more

Obama green lights Exxon attempt to take over BP’s American assets…

Oil giant Exxon has been given clearance by Washington to mount a £100billion bid for BP as the embattled British company undertakes a high-stakes gamble to cap the Gulf of Mexico spill.

With that news, I am going to rest easy and snag some sleep for tonight.

[QUOTE=alcor;39396][QUOTE=bigmoose;39393]

BP, regret this massive failure more than you can ever comprehend. [B]= BP APOLOGIST HARD AT WORK!.[/B][/QUOTE]

I think you got things back to front here Alcor. The question is will BP and the psychopaths that run it and approved the well plan, even till today, ever comprehend:

-the folly of cost cutting at the risk of safety to life and the environment to maximize share holder return ?

-that when you tell one lie, you gonna have tell a thousands and more ?

-the massive damage BP has done and will be doing for scores of years to come ?

-that even if costs amount to the Trillions are paid ever, the gulf and its people will never ever be made whole ?

-that even if the well is killed the above point will still apply ?

Does BP regret they are a bunch of shameless lying bastards !? Do not believe anything they say until it is denied. I hope a school teacher somewhere in the gulf will organize a visit to BP’s HQ or organize a teleconference so kids can directly question BP officials at to what really went wrong, Why ? and What’s going to happen next ? Future generations in the gulf will need to know the truth directly from BP -and the world should be allowed privy to this conference.

[QUOTE=bigmoose;39465]OK, here is one to analyize. After the bolts were removed and the flanges split, inspection showed only 1 drill pipe sticking up out of the flex joint! The second DP was gone, pooofed gone![/QUOTE]

My Guess: perhaps it fell inside; or tangible evidence that a working BOP is not designed to cut 2 pieces of pipe simultaneously is gone or not available like the lack of CBL that would have proven they did not cement all the way up to the previous shoe leaving casing expose to open hole…not good for well kill.