Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

Operators, and Contractors, do their best to reduce the risks in the industry, but you have to realise that delivery of gas to your car comes with consequences.

I told you guys, after the ban expired it would be back bigger and uglier than ever.

So here we are again, just like the good old days, once again, it’s the fault of the “small people” who greedily demand energy for their cars, etc. who MUST SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY (and, wait for it, since this is just the “meat tenderizer” prelude:) those little people must also share THE CLEAN-UP COSTS OF THIS MESS.

After all, BP is surely A GREAT SHINING WHITE Knight in Armor who has rescued all the “small people” from their poor pitiful lives of shivering to death in the dark via their MASTERFUL SuperHuman Efforts to help Keep America Strong and surely did their LORDLY Best from the Very Beginning of Time, and if it wasn’t for a few rotten Shitizens of the deep south on the rig who Intruded Rudely into BP’s Otheriwse HEAVENLY DOMAIN (the GOM), then this ongoing SELF-LESS, CHRIST-LIKE Efforts on the behalf of the “little people” wouldn’t be necessary.

Alcor the Analwipe: if you’re going to “spew” (be it oil or brain-melting nonsense), at least make it somwhat poetic and believable, as above…

[QUOTE=alcor;39389]

                 [IMG]http://cfs1.gcaptain.com/cfs/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png[/IMG] Originally Posted by [B]alf[/B]                     [[IMG]http://cfs1.gcaptain.com/cfs/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png[/IMG]](http://gcaptain.com/forum/offshore/4805-deepwater-horizon-transocean-oil-rig-fire-post39389.html#post39389)                 

Nola…See post 4366 from CM1 below…and similar posts from around 30th June.

                                                                                         [B]             [IMG]http://gcaptain.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif[/IMG]  Re: Majeure NOW for shallow water         [/B]                                                                                                     [IMG]http://cfs1.gcaptain.com/cfs/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png[/IMG] Originally Posted by [B]tvhawaii[/B]                      [[IMG]http://cfs1.gcaptain.com/cfs/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png[/IMG]](http://gcaptain.com/forum/4805-deepwater-horizon-transocean-oil-rig-fire-2.html#post38700)                 
             I copied exactly what is quoted above in my E-mail to  him, and this is his reply.(sigh)

"Tell him the 4.1 bbls expands to 70 feet 8.4 bbls and 800 psi under
the casing hanger and that was enough to breakdown the weak zone and
push mud out of annulus.

It wasn’t arbitrarily applied like Obama’s moratorium."

Warmest Regards,

Michael Davis, B.S. Petroleum Engineering
(713) 470-8882
MDavis@DrillScience.com

Edit: Don’t people take the time to read anymore?!

[QUOTE]TV, there is no use in trying to reason with this BP hired gun. He is only out to cover BP’s ass because he knows they are guilty of premeditated negligence leading to the deaths of eleven men & causing the greatest environmental catastrophe in the history of the world. He let the cat out of the bag weeks ago when he was arguing against air that BP made the change of well plan from exploratory to production during the last days of drillng the well, when it is evident by their running of the rupure discs in the 16" that they had planned on producing this well before it was ever drilled. This meant that they were responsible to put the best available system in place to mitigate any possible dangers. Instead they made the conscious decision probably months before to run the cheapest well design possible & balme the government or their vendors if anything went wrong. They didn’t actually THINK anything would happen, but were already prepared with fingernails sharpened before the occurance to place blame on anything or anyone else for the damage caused by their premedtated death & destruction. How else do you think he turns so quickly from the MMS to TO to the company man to the BOPs every time the natural sequence comes back full circle to BP’s negligent planning & design as the root cause of this disaster. Remember the blame the cowboy mentality of US culture. This was a smoke screen when he as BP insider knew what the management of his company had planned to do & how they planned to blame others that they either cohersed, bribed, extorted, or plain ignored in their headlong push to make this disaster occur.
[/QUOTE]What an extraordinary statement to make. Those of us who believe in the offshore oil industry’s survival want to know the truth of the events the days prior to the disaster struck. We can all speculate about the failures. One fact is this: BP, are doing every possible thing to right the wrong. I guarantee all of you that there is much more to be revealed. Revealing some of that information may compromise the efforts to drill the relief well due to TO’s implication.
Those who work in the industry understand ‘last line of defence’, and who has the responsibility to take action. Those who want to simply fill their car without any understanding and appreciation of the dangers in the oil industry should hold their comments for other media outlets. Wild statements without any basis for fact are the media’s attempt to understand an industry which is so dynamic every well drilled is different. I hope this discussion thread is designed for those with intimate knowledge of the industry, and particularly, operations from Semi-Submersible vessels. This is what the investigation is all about.

As for the rupture disks, I believe every Oil Operator that I know of would like to convert an exploration well to a Production well. Again, it’s extraordinary, that anyone thinks this is not possible. Do not mislead people with inaccuracies.[/QUOTE]

Alco, the quote was made by others under post 4366… Not by me.

[QUOTE=alcor;39396]
Re: Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire 2

Originally Posted by Alf

On a side note, it just doesn’t seem ‘right’ to have Alcor back and not CM1… The ‘balance’ just doesn’t seem in harmony with the universe, sort of like the sun is going to explode… :smiley: Until the posse finds and frees the good CompanyMan1, perhaps Blisters could temporarily fill the role?
Open your eyes and you’ll understand ‘balance’. Understand the dangers which crews face on a daily basis. Operators, and Contractors, do their best to reduce the risks in the industry, but you have to realise that delivery of gas to your car comes with consequences. None of us are immune from the disasters which take place in our society. Accidents, occur every day even though we do our best to minimise risk. Our society requires oil. BP, is the leading deepwater drilling Operator in the world. That’s a fact you will find hard to believe.
BP, regret this massive failure more than you can ever comprehend. And, so does every Operator and Contractor Worldwide, as our operations are being scrutinised on an hourly basis. [/QUOTE]

Alcor… again, this is not my quote.

[QUOTE=tvhawaii;39233]Now that we’re turning to the right again (Yea!), I’d still like to hear the thoughts on this.[/QUOTE]

I’ll try one more time:

Originally Posted by [B]BLISTERS[/B]
My question : At that time when ROV was attempting to make a hot stab to close the BOP , why would they want to do that ? My understanding is that at best, a fully functional BOP should only be closed as soon a possible after detection of a positive kick indication. We have to do this so that shut in well bore pressures do not exceed MAASP. If we shut in too late then no matter how well a BOP is functioning the shut-in wellbore pressures, due to the kick, will exceed MAASP and blow itself out via cement at the casing shoe up the casing annulus. Put simply , shut -in too late and the BOP is really of not much use,. We still end up with a blowout but not one coming up the well bore, but one that is less controllable by tertiary well control becaue we now have the blowout emanating from cracks around the wellhead/BOP. Google “Lapindo”…before BP buys the rights for this word from Google.

At the risk of stating the obvious the blowout was well in progress undersea when the hot stab attempts were in progress. If the hot stab was successful in closing BOP rams would not this have this caused surface broaching or an underground blowout ? and if so , why even bother to do this. Would success with the hot stab mean screwing up things down hole even worse compared to what it was at the planning stage and after just after the blowout was taken ? Hence for the benefit of Joe public- please note that having a functional BOP does not mean we can shut in a kick and prevent a blowout always. I do not ask this question with the benefit of hindsight.

[QUOTE=alcor;39395]
[B]ONE MORE POINT: I DON’T SEE HOW BP’S PARTNERS CAN CLAIM THEY AREN’T INVOLVED IN THE ECONOMIC REPERCUSSIONS, THAT THERE INVESTMENT ONLY INVOLVED PROFIT!!! THEY INVEST, AND TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD! THEY WILL PAY THEIR SHARE.

[/B][/QUOTE]

For once, Alcor, I may agree with you–at least in part. While Mitsui has been notably silent, Anadarko, it turns out, was being kept informed by BP–and APPROVED the changes in well design. In plainer words, they were fully complicit. Assuming Macondo gets capped in 2010, BP will survive: weakened severely, but survive in some form. Anadarko, to me, looks like a really good short: I figure that they are a zombie company already. Of course, I also said that Citi and BoA were zombies too–and they were, but the gov’t wasn’t going to let them fail, no matter what. Anadarko isn’t too big to fail.

[QUOTE=alcor;39396][QUOTE=bigmoose;39393]

Accidents, occur every day even though we do our best to minimise risk. Our society requires oil. BP, is the leading deepwater drilling Operator in the world. That’s a fact you will find hard to believe.
BP, regret this massive failure more than you can ever comprehend. And, so does every Operator and Contractor Worldwide, as our operations are being scrutinised on an hourly basis.[/QUOTE]

MOST ‘accidents’ ARE preventable with due diligence and care, something clearly lacking at a host of critical junctures here.

Why would anyone here of all places be astonished that BP is the leading deepwater drilling operator (but I bet Shell and Exxon can come up with ways to argue that they, and not BP, are #1.

On the third point, as for regret, I’m sure most corporations don’t like losing 40+% of their market capitalization in a single quarter. How many options and grants do you have that are under water or worthless? As for the heightened scrutiny, I’m inclined to say, at this point, GOOD. The fact that the indusry’s accident/incident count had reached a low level 2003-on, while commendable, also provoked a dangerous complacency.

[QUOTE=New Orleans Lady;39382]the “root cause analysis” is esp interesting…sounds like the author, was a frequent flyer here, hhhmmm anyone dare to guess who?[/QUOTE]

NO Lady, just to (kinda’) clear things up a bit.

Back around the time the Forum went South, I had asked the creator of the site, Michael Davis, via E-mail, a question that was posed by Alcor. Copy below:
"Hi Michael

If you have the time, could you please stop by:

‘alcor’ has asked:
“Do you have contact with the author? Where did he arrive at a figure of 4.1 Bbl Gain?
It relies heavily on mud being lost to the weak zone, allowing gas to expand. And conveniently, the figures result in gas
below the Seal Assy which will not eject the Hanger.
Has he arranged the ‘gain’ value to suit his own purposes?
Do you have any other interpretation?”

The spreadsheet is titled, “Force To Lift Macando Casing Hanger When Seated and Unseated.xlsx”, and I can’t see the
’seated vs. unseated’ parts. Locking ring?

Thank you in advance if you can make it by.

Michael Painter (tvhawaii)"

He replied with:
Michael Davis wrote:
> Tell him the 4.1 bbls expands to 70 feet 8.4 bbls and 800 psi under
> the casing hanger and that was enough to breakdown the weak zone and
> push mud out of annulus.
>
> It wasn’t arbitrarily applied like Obama’s moratorium.
>
> Warmest Regards,

And I wrote back with:
"Thanks for the prompt reply, Michael
.
He asks again, "Where did he arrive at a figure of 4.1 Bbl Gain?

What he’s saying is, how did you come up with the 4.1 number?

Thanks again,

–Michael (tvhawaii)"

And he never replied. The document in question was hyperlinked within:Deepwater Horizon Blowout Root Cause Analysis.docx and the link was:
Force To Lift Macando Casing Hanger When Seated and Unseated.xlsx
At that time, the link opened a spreadsheet titled "Casing Pressures.xlsx, which I’m unable to attach because I get “Invalid File”. But -now- when you open that link, you get a totally different spreadsheet which doesn’t mention anything about the mysterious 4.1bbls.

I leave it as an exercise for the reader to figure out what happened and if anyone wants to see the original, PM me with your E-mail address and I’ll send it to you.

AyeCaptain,

To even more fulsomely praise BP, check out their world HQ @ 1 St. James Square Westminster London SW1. You really have to do that, and understand the significance of both the number and the site to fully appreciate the grandiosity of their own self-image.

If I had a big enough wand, their new world HQ would somewhere like Grand Isle Louisiana.

It’s interesting watching the ROV’s prepping for the cap change. I am very impressed with the pilots ability.

I wonder what meds their Doctors prescribe to control the frustration levels.

[QUOTE=alcor;39395] [B]

THANKS FOR EMBELLISHING MY COMMENTS AND REDUCING EVERYTHING TO YOUR OWN ANXIETIES.[/B]

Not a problem Alcorr. Always a pleasure trading insults with you. [B]

REGARDING SHUTTING IN, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE DYNAMIC PRESSURE IS, BUT I WOULD ASSUME WELLHEAD PRESSURE WILL REACH ANYWHERE BETWEEN 5000 AND 8000 PSI, WHICH WILL DEPEND ON HOW MUCH GAS IS FLOWING COMPARED TO OIL. THE MORE OIL, THE LESS THE PRESSURE, DUE TO 0.85 SG SPECIFIC GRAVITY COMPARED WITH GAS 0.19 SG.[/B]

I can’t vouch for the pressure ranges you have quoted neither do I have reason to dispel them. We need also to be mindful of MAASP, Pressure Safety margin and Fracture pressure at the last shoe. The range you have given even if well inside ballpark figures dont address these factors. I am aware that they penetrated the reservoir at the bottom of the crest ie: the oil zone below the gas cap. If this is the case, then, there is potential to shut in the well and stop, control and channel the flow to ships above IF WELL INTEGRITY HOLDS. If I had to approve of this idea , considering the situation I would give it the go-ahead. I don’t give a hoot about BP but if it works the carnage on sea and birds human life and the atmosphere will stop. I hope this works. They still will have to intercept and kill it though and hopefully not try to produce it. [B]

WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO SHUT IN? I IMAGINE IT’S BECAUSE THEY NEED TO PERFORM THE RELIEF OPERATION WITH MUD TO SURFACE. OR, THERE MAY BE A MEANS OF PRODUCING TO A NEARBY PLATFORM WHICH WILL BE REQUIRED IF A HURRICANE FORMS AND THE VESSEL HAD TO UNLATCH. I’M GUESSING. I’M BACK OFFSHORE, AND HAVEN’T HAD TIME TO KEEP TRACK OF EVENTS. ONE THING I HAVE HEARD BEING DISCUSSED BY COLLEAGUES IS THAT IT MAY TAKE 2-3 WEEKS TO KILL. I MUST ADMIT THAT I THOUGHT THE KILL WOULD TAKE LESS TIME THAN THIS. I SUPPOSE THEY HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THEY DON’T INDUCE AN UNDERGROUND BLOWOUT OR CHANNELING THROUGH ANOTHER AVENUE.[/B]

[B]I STILL DON’T KNOW WHAT TO THINK. WHY DO WE HAVE 2 JOINTS OF PIPE? DID PIPE FALL DOWN THE HOLE AFTER THE EXPLOSION?

[/B]If pipe fell from above it is likely to have done so before they shut it. I subscribe to the notion it shot up from the bottom before the shut in, rendering the BSR non effective in totally sealing the well.[B]

I SUPPOSE ALL WILL BE REVEALED IN TIME.[/B]
[B]I STICK TO MY GUNS: VIDRINE, CAUSED THIS BLOWOUT, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, BECAUSE HE FAILED TO CIRCULATE OUT ANY POTENTIAL GAS. BP, INSTRUCTED HIM TO CIRCULATE.

[/B]Have you seen or read any documentation pertaining to this claim ? Is it available on the net for us to read ? You fail to admit that Vidrine =BP and his other half the night companyman admitted he had f’all deepwater experience.
[B]
HE MADE A DECISION TO IGNORE THIS AND NO-ONE ON THE RIG WAS STRONG ENOUGH TO TAKE HIM ON. TO ARE IN CHARGE OF THE VESSEL AND ALL SOULS ONBOARD. THEY MUST KNOW THE CONSEQUENCES OF EVERY ACTION TAKEN. THEY DIDN’T. [/B]

He like the rest he drowned out and over rode like the TP’s legit concerns after a heated argument during the pre-tour meeting were all following orders - forceful orders! under obvious threat of losing their jobs.He is BP and he took orders from BP in town. It must be made seriously illegal with massive penalties to force someone to carry out dangerous operations - I mean long term jail in a maximum security penitentiary overcrowded with deranged sex starved serial bestial rapists.

[B]AND, I’M PREPARED TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT BP OFFERS AS A DEFENCE.

[/B]Well, they already have Alcor -Caesar over hear to do that for them, not to mention your timely reappearance at this forum to facilitate dissemination of disinformation at this critical stage.[B]

I WON’T DEFEND ANY PARTY UNTIL I SEE ALL THE EVIDENCE. AT THIS POINT IT APPEARS THAT BOTH BP AND TO HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF EXPLAINING TO DO. AND MMS, HAS FAILED IN ITS OBLIGATIONS TO POLICE THE INDUSTRY. THESE ARE ALL UNDISPUTED FACTS.

[/B]Sounds more like you are grasping at straws - I know the situation is real bad and hope against all odds these next few steps will work, but you Alcor would not hesitate to blame the rig’s cook let alone sell your own mother in defense of your masters when you run out of ammunition.

[B]ONE MORE POINT: I DON’T SEE HOW BP’S PARTNERS CAN CLAIM THEY AREN’T INVOLVED IN THE ECONOMIC REPERCUSSIONS, THAT THERE INVESTMENT ONLY INVOLVED PROFIT!!! THEY INVEST, AND TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD! THEY WILL PAY THEIR SHARE.

[/B]Rubbish ! You can’t see this because you have not seen the fine print concerning contractual obligations. I’d advice you hold fire on this until you get more facts, least you put your foot into your mouth again. [/QUOTE]

Have you come across any reports about Corexit inducing rectal bleeding with clean-up workers ? Do you think this is anti BP propaganda or fact ? Any feedback from your buddies appreciated. Have you by any chance ingested corexit ?

[QUOTE=bigmoose;39393][QUOTE=Alf;39379]

Until the posse finds and frees the good CompanyMan1, perhaps Blisters could temporarily fill the role?[/QUOTE]

Bigmoose, there is absolutely no way at this point that I could attain the type of technical prowess and integrity characters like CM1 has attained, let alone on this forum to take on the Alcor team. I have 30 years experience and would need at least another 10 to 15 years to get anywhere close to the likes of CM1’s experience. In my local oil patch thankfully wise CEOs are begging truly experienced companymen who were wrongfully forced into hibernation to come back with big bucks. We suspect insurance pressures are playing a role in this. One guy I know, and there are only a few like these that I had the honor to work with, are citing excuses like , they won’t qualify for HUET to politely decline but are counter offered with superintendent roles in town.

My guess is CM1 is keeping his powder dry for the moment and has other priorities to attend to.

Take a close look (zoom in to the bottom of the white board at the back) at this photo to see obvious evidence of tampering…

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/images/GOM_simops_operations_top_kill_houston.jpg

[QUOTE=Alf;39426]Take a close look (zoom in to the bottom of the white board at the back) at this photo to see obvious evidence of tampering…

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/images/GOM_simops_operations_top_kill_houston.jpg[/QUOTE]

It was such a poor job, they weren’t trying to hide it.

[QUOTE=scurvydog;39345]
from http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php?topic=68178.6675

Flange has been removed. Link to video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNv4tfyyvxA (External Embedding Disabled)

They didnt have to use any contingenies so far. It’s going very well.

The sheared off drill pipes are visible, one of them at least has moved over to the side, which will be in the way.

The plan calls for Ocean Intervention 3 ROV’s to look at those DP’s and strap them so they are in the right spot or see if they can come out.

It’s difficult to judge the flow rate - only limited views of it so far but to me it doesnt look significantly larger. Hard to judge without a crusty old cap on it!
[/QUOTE]

scurvydog…Thanks for the update.

//youtu.be/aPbZe43pTC8

First chance to read through since the thread went wrong. Alf like many, including myself is looking for reliable souls to get us out of this jam. I came here and as a petro-chem novice could not understand why you did not put a cap on the top of the BOP and close it in. I educated myself and the findings of those versed in the technology was that the casing integrity was lost and a cap on the BOP/new BOP would mean that oil/gas leaked subseafloor and that was then even harder to control. At least with it squirting out of the BOP you can catch most of it. We looked forward. The technology of the bottom kill appears well thought out, has been used many times before and not like the “gaffer-tape”, “make it up each day as we go along”, technology of ROV’s trying to undo nuts on the sea-floor.

I made an earlier post that:
on 1 day Kent Wells told us the diamond cutter was the tool of choice for cutting the riser off near the joint and the super shear was not suitable for this application.
On the next day, after the diamond cutter failed, the super shears were put into action and the consequent twisting and deformation of the flange has caused all sorts of consequent problems.
The conclusion was that the contradiction of the assertion on day 1 and the reality of actions on day 2, were not commensurate with a well thought out plan. Kent is put forward as the senior technical guy of BP. Throughout my whole working life in engineering, albeit not the petro-chemical industry, technically competent people are reserved and careful about what they commit to, on the basis that they know better than anyone else that they are responsible for execution and are familiar with all the pitfalls to that execution. I was shocked because, in my modest book, saying one thing one day and doing something completely different the next, smacks of a marketing man masquerading in technical guise and every time I have come across that little combination, in my life, disaster lurks somewhere not far ahead.

Kent clearly stated in an earlier briefing that all attempts at stopping the flow of oil/gas, based on control at the sea-floor, were off. He stated clearly that bottom -kill was the only way of stopping the flow of oil/gas and that from this moment on sea-floor activity was wholly related to collecting as much of the leaking oil/gas as possible.

I have just listened to his latest video 10th July. Make your mind up Kent. If now, several months in, you are not sure as to whether the casing retains integrity, and possibly it does and it can be shut in with a new BOP stack then, what they h**l were you messing about for during the last XXX days? Virtually every forum out there had somebody saying “stick a new BOP on top”. You told us “no”. I am now scared. Would anyone let an industry that cannot determine some pretty basic facts and make sensible decisions as a consequence, be responsible when the consequences of failure are so horrific ? Would they be allowed to run a nuclear plant or run an airline, like this ?

I have confidence that BP are doing all that anyone could do right now and have been doing for several weeks. What I don’t have, is any confidence that this industry goes about what it does with the level of responsibility commensurate with the consequences. A red hot Alcor, or any number of other competent, diligent and professional individuals, whose heartfelt comments I read here, on the guages every day, every second of every day, making sure that there is no blow out on their rig, is great for that rig, it is not a solution. Somewhere, there will be an idiot that is not awake, not watching. The risk of failure is too close. The capability to interrogate the mode of failure (as we see here - is the casing integrity compromised ?) and take action as a consequence (stick more gaffer tape on the spanner) is not up to the task.
Kent - I am not impressed and again, the gulf between technology applied to extraction and technology applied to dealing with failure, is shown as being huge and incompatible with the nature of the task…

A Cooke thank you for your observations on Kent Wells. I had a felling something was off for months with him. He was too confident, too poised. Not glib, but not introspective enough to match the character of the corporate chief engineers I have known. They are poised and confident, but were all at times deeply introspective. They did not “whipsaw” their course of attack as you documented with Wells. Thanks for the analysis and commentary. I now put Wells in the best of the best of engineering marketers, but not a chief engineer.

[QUOTE=bigmoose;39435 He was too confident, too poised. Not glib, but not introspective enough to match the character of the corporate chief engineers I have know. .[/QUOTE]

He always struck me as too angelic with his presentation…but he’s stopped wearing his purse on his belt lately.

[QUOTE=dell;39407]For once, Alcor, I may agree with you–at least in part. While Mitsui has been notably silent, Anadarko, it turns out, was being kept informed by BP–and APPROVED the changes in well design. In plainer words, they were fully complicit. Assuming Macondo gets capped in 2010, BP will survive: weakened severely, but survive in some form. Anadarko, to me, looks like a really good short: I figure that they are a zombie company already. Of course, I also said that Citi and BoA were zombies too–and they were, but the gov’t wasn’t going to let them fail, no matter what. Anadarko isn’t too big to fail.[/QUOTE]
Dell, obviously I have not kept up with the thread over the past couple of weeks since we seemed to encounter technical difficulties. Could you post a link with proof of Anadarko’s response of agreeing to the unsafe irresponsible acts performed by BP’s engineering group with regards to design change & disregard to Halliburton’s recommendations as well as BP not following their own recommendations of complete circulation before mixing & pumping the final cement job?

Alcor
"BP, regret this massive failure more than you can ever comprehend"
What evidence do you have to indicate this?