Deepwater Horizon - Transocean Oil Rig Fire

[QUOTE=alcor;37281]Asshole,
You will continue to operate in the same way if it’s not highlighted that standards in the GOM are less than the rest of the world. Don’t blame BP for that. Blame your culture. You are probably a prime example of the deficiency in your industry. BP made the biggest fuck up buying American trash compannies like AMOCO and ARCO. They were trash. We’re only realising what kind of trash now.
Bottom line in your case is this: you fucking insulted me with your irresponsible commentary. And I’m prepared to revisit that tenfold.[/QUOTE]

Please feel free to educate me, and to continue to shower me with your ad hominems!

I updated my post above to mention that you can catch me in Delft, the Netherlands where I will be helping teach a class at Deltares (former GeoDelft). Sadly, you will have to pay about 1250 euro as I can’t get you a discount, and, I confess that it is in a different drilling specialty. But still, Lordy knows why they picked some dumb American, what with our trash culture and low standards and trash companies and trash, trash, trash… But maybe I should amend my quote above “you can tell the Dutch, but you can’t tell them much.”?

But really now, apparently you are willing to admit bp makes mistakes?

As for my “irresponsible commentary”, well, I’ve read plenty of your irresponsible commentaries and many of them insulted me as well. BTW, I have shockingly “thanked” you in the past for some of your posts.

Anyhoo…

[QUOTE=CPTdrillersails;37287]Please feel free to educate me, and to continue to shower me with your ad hominems!

I updated my post above to mention that you can catch me in Delft, the Netherlands where I will be helping teach a class at Deltares (former GeoDelft). Sadly, you will have to pay about 1250 euro as I can’t get you a discount, and, I confess that it is in a different drilling specialty. But still, Lordy knows why they picked some dumb American, what with our trash culture and low standards and trash companies and trash, trash, trash… But maybe I should amend my quote above “you can tell the Dutch, but you can’t tell them much.”?

But really now, apparently you are willing to admit bp makes mistakes?

As for my “irresponsible commentary”, well, I’ve read plenty of your irresponsible commentaries and many of them insulted me as well. BTW, I have shockingly “thanked” you in the past for some of your posts.

Anyhoo…[/QUOTE]

After consideration, and much reflection on two of your commentaries, I still say…fuck you! And, where the Dutch crap came from is really interesting. I’m much closer to your home town than you’d imagine. Again, fuck you for your insults!

[QUOTE=Frarig;37269]CM1, I trust you’ll understand if I refrain from speculation on the honesty, competency or capability of BP or any of the other parties involved. This time around, I’ll just comment on what I know from experience and on what others have shown to be true beyond any reasonable doubt.

To me it’s an obvious, proven fact that BP’s decisions regarding well construction and well abandonment were the root cause of this disaster. Beyond that, I’ll do my best to speculate in private and wait for the details to come out.[/QUOTE]
Let me ask you this. Do you believe the allegations that the BOPs & the circuit wires were gerry rigged to the point of contamination that they have been blamed for. Because if this is the case then I will say that there should never be another deepwater well drilled in the United States because no one can be trusted. I don’t believe that those circuits were wired improperly. I have a very hard time believing BOP tests were boilerhoused to the point they wouldn’t hold anything. Why would the TP on one hand witness BOP boilerhousing & on the other hand talk about possibly having to use them if they took a kick while displacing. I do believe the guy on 60 minutes when he said the shaker hand brought back pieces of rubber from the annular to the rig floor to show the driller. I have seen hydrill rubbers give up the ghost due to stripping or old age. That is not an uncommon occurance. I wouldn’t dare trust my life to a hydrill rubber holding back a severe kick of gas. I would trust my life to a pipe ram as long as that ram didn’t have to hold up a quarter of a million pounds of pipe at the same time or have a piece of casing lodged in it.
I believe it is possible that as putrid & bullshit as those tests were they were probably good. I believe BP in their desire to hang this off on the TP & the company man & therby isolate the disaster to rig incompetence & isolate their engineering & management from responsibility they will tell whatever lie suits them and use whatever power they have to keep themslves out of jail. I believe it is possible they had live e drill data streamed that showed good tests but they weren’t according to API specs or the specs of their vendors. I belive the bond held until the pressure got high enough that it launched the production casing out of the hanger bore. That was the first big thud that everyone heard. I believe they shut the well in early & the reason the drill pipe gauge pressure kept rising was they tried to pump the gas buble out the choke & out the gas buster but pressure kept risong due to uncontrolled influx. I believe that when the gas & oil hit it hit so hard that it shot out the gas buster line & into the water. I believe that when the bubble got far enough up the hole it blew out the diverter & sent water then gas everywhere. Then I believe it exploded. That is why I have withheld my judgement of the crew unlike some who talk about the incompetence of other crews while admitting that both crews were on the floor & someone opened the annular without bleeding off the pressure first & blew the bushings out of the hole on one of his jobs.
Edit: Frarig, I won’t ask for you to agree with this speculation I will just ask if you think it could be what is becoming a very real possibility.

[QUOTE=company man 1;37290]Let me ask you this. Do you believe the allegations that the BOPs & the circuit wires were gerry rigged to the point of contamination that they have been blamed for. Because if this is the case then I will say that there should never be another deepwater well drilled in the United States because no one can be trusted. I don’t believe that those circuits were wired improperly. I have a very hard time believing BOP tests were boilerhoused to the point they wouldn’t hold anything. Why would the TP on one hand witness BOP boilerhousing & on the other hand talk about possibly having to use them if they took a kick while displacing. I do believe the guy on 60 minutes when he said the shaker hand brought back pieces of rubber from the annular to the rig floor to show the driller. I have seen hydrill rubbers give up the ghost due to stripping or old age. That is not an uncommon occurance. I wouldn’t dare trust my life to a hydrill rubber holding back a severe kick of gas. I would trust my life to a pipe ram as long as that ram didn’t have to hold up a quarter of a million pounds of pipe at the same time or have a piece of casing lodged in it.
I believe it is possible that as putrid & bullshit as those tests were they were probably good. I believe BP in their desire to hang this off on the TP & the company man & therby isolate the disaster to rig incompetence & isolate their engineering & management from responsibility they will tell whatever lie suits them and use whatever power they have to keep themslves out of jail. I believe it is possible they had live e drill data streamed that showed good tests but they weren’t according to API specs or the specs of their vendors. I belive the bond held until the pressure got high enough that it launched the production casing out of the hanger bore. That was the first big thud that everyone heard. I believe they shut the well in early & the reason the drill pipe gauge pressure kept rising was they tried to pump the gas buble out the choke & out the gas buster but pressure kept risong due to uncontrolled influx. I believe that when the gas & oil hit it hit so hard that it shot out the gas buster line & into the water. I believe that when the bubble got far enough up the hole it blew out the diverter & sent water then gas everywhere. Then I believe it exploded. That is why I have withheld my judgement of the crew unlike some who talk about the incompetence of other crews while admitting that both crews were on the floor & someone opened the annular without bleeding off the pressure first & blew the bushings out of the hole on one of his jobs.
I won’t ask for you to totally agree with this speculationh I will just ask if you think it to be what is becoming a very real possibility.[/QUOTE]

This stinks of simply wanting to protect the TP and Co Man, and blame everyone ashore. You can’t engineer this through an attempt to corrupt others into your way of thinking.
Okay, you want to save the TP and Co Man, the two most decision making people on the rig. How convenient to suit your purposes.
Amateur.
BP, TO, MMS, and Lax Gov’t institutions will be held responsible if we can get beyond the farcical hearings, the hearings where the panel have a combined IQ of 50. A great advertisement for impartial judgement.
But, I must say that I agree with at least 95% of your list of failings. There’s room to add another 300% if you care to look instead of managing the system to only pinpoint BP.

[QUOTE=company man 1;37290]Let me ask you this. Do you believe the allegations that the BOPs & the circuit wires were gerry rigged to the point of contamination that they have been blamed for. Because if this is the case then I will say that there should never be another deepwater well drilled in the United States because no one can be trusted. I don’t believe that those circuits were wired improperly. I have a very hard time believing BOP tests were boilerhoused to the point they wouldn’t hold anything. Why would the TP on one hand witness BOP boilerhousing & on the other hand talk about possibly having to use them if they took a kick while displacing. I do believe the guy on 60 minutes when he said the shaker hand brought back pieces of rubber from the annular to the rig floor to show the driller. I have seen hydrill rubbers give up the ghost due to stripping or old age. That is not an uncommon occurance. I wouldn’t dare trust my life to a hydrill rubber holding back a severe kick of gas. I would trust my life to a pipe ram as long as that ram didn’t have to hold up a quarter of a million pounds of pipe at the same time or have a piece of casing lodged in it.
I believe it is possible that as putrid & bullshit as those tests were they were probably good. I believe BP in their desire to hang this off on the TP & the company man & therby isolate the disaster to rig incompetence & isolate their engineering & management from responsibility they will tell whatever lie suits them and use whatever power they have to keep themslves out of jail. I believe it is possible they had live e drill data streamed that showed good tests but they weren’t according to API specs or the specs of their vendors. I belive the bond held until the pressure got high enough that it launched the production casing out of the hanger bore. That was the first big thud that everyone heard. I believe they shut the well in early & the reason the drill pipe gauge pressure kept rising was they tried to pump the gas buble out the choke & out the gas buster but pressure kept risong due to uncontrolled influx. I believe that when the gas & oil hit it hit so hard that it shot out the gas buster line & into the water. I believe that when the bubble got far enough up the hole it blew out the diverter & sent water then gas everywhere. Then I believe it exploded. That is why I have withheld my judgement of the crew unlike some who talk about the incompetence of other crews while admitting that both crews were on the floor & someone opened the annular without bleeding off the pressure first & blew the bushings out of the hole on one of his jobs.
Edit: Frarig, I won’t ask for you to agree with this speculation I will just ask if you think it could be what is becoming a very real possibility.[/QUOTE]

Okay, your sensationalist commentary has led to the demise of deepwater drilling. Keep it up! That’s what’s going to happen with your attitude.
CM1: Mr Sensationalist!!!

BP made the biggest fuck up buying American trash compannies like AMOCO and ARCO. They were trash. They’re only realising what kind of trash now.

Quite possibly quite true…so let’s review:

In Alaska, BP first brought unwelcome attention to itself more than 20 years ago in the aftermath of the Exxon Valdez oil spill. Exxon was BP’s partner in Alaska’s Prudhoe Bay oilfield, the nation’s largest, and shared in the ownership of the trans-Alaska pipeline system, known as Alyeska and headed then by a BP executive who was on loan to the pipeline company. After a series of documents were leaked to news reporters and Congress that showed how Alyeska failed to live up to its promises to contain spills, that executive, James Hermiller, in February 1990 ordered an undercover operation to track down the leaker.

Hermiller’s chief suspect was Chuck Hamel, a former congressional aide and oil broker in Alexandria, Va., who became a conduit between industry whistleblowers and reporters. With Hermiller’s blessing, Alyeska hired Wackenhut Corp., a security company in South Florida, to catch Hamel and identify his whistleblowers. Wackenhut set up a phony environmental law firm and attempted to get Hamel to use it to pursue public interest lawsuits against Alyeska and Exxon. They stole Hamel’s trash, bugged an office he used and hired a beautiful blonde to pretend she was an environmentalist in order to get Hamel to talk.

But the scheme collapsed seven months later when one of the Wackenhut operatives came to believe that it was Hamel who was honorable, not Alyeska, and switched sides, bringing the Wackenhut spies with him.

Well, maybe that one is inconclusive, so let’s move forward:

BP ran afoul of federal environmental laws in Alaska after it was discovered that from 1993 to 1995 a BP contractor, Doyon Drilling, had illegally dumped hazardous materials down oil well shafts on the North Slope, the giant Alaska oil production area bordered by the Brooks Range mountains to the south and the Arctic Ocean on the north. Doyon pleaded guilty in federal court to a felony violation of the Clean Water Act and was fined $3 million. BP was convicted on Feb. 1, 2000, of failing to report the dumping as soon as it learned about it, a felony. BP was fined $500,000, placed on five years probation and ordered to create a nationwide environmental management program that cost the company at least $40 million.

A BP official told the judge, “We are committed to ensuring this never happens again.”

Hmmm, things aren’t looking so rosy for the home team, even before AMOCO and ARCO, so let’s see what’s happned since then:

BP was still on probation when new problems erupted, this time in its North Slope corrosion control program. Despite warnings from a leak detection system, a badly corroded 34-inch-diameter pipeline in Prudhoe Bay lost oil for at least five days before a worker driving down a nearby service road on March 2, 2006, smelled oil and spotted the spill, which covered at least two acres of tundra. At 200,000 gallons, it was the largest ever on the North Slope.

Just five months later, on Aug. 6, 2006, a second spill of about 1,000 gallons was discovered on another line. Subsequent investigation found the line was riddled with corrosion, with 176 places where more than half the original diameter had been eaten away.

Congressional hearings held to probe the spills immediately focused on claims that BP actively discouraged workers from reporting safety and environmental problems. The British-born chief of BP’s corrosion unit, Richard Woollam, who’d moved out of the corrosion unit in 2005, took the 5th Amendment against self incrimination during the hearings, which uncovered a 2004 report by the Houston law firm Vinson & Elkins warning BP that employees faced retaliation for reporting problems.

In 2007, BP pleaded guilty in federal court in Anchorage to another violation of the Clean Water Act for the 2006 spill. This crime was a misdemeanor, but it still cost BP $20 million in fines and restitution and three more years of probation. Prosecutors said the spill occurred because BP was more interested in cutting costs than in maintaining an aging oil field.
A BP vice president told the judge that the corrosion problems were “out of character” for the company. BP had learned its lesson, he said.

But in November last year, 46,000 gallons of oil and water gushed from an over-pressurized BP pipeline on the North Slope, prompting the EPA and the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation to open another criminal investigation of BP. An EPA investigator declined to comment last week on the probe’s status.

Okay, now’s it safe to blame AMOCO/ARCO, 6 years later:

It’s the 2005 Texas City explosion, however, that drew the harshest accusations against BP — from the U.S. Chemical Safety and Hazard Investigation Board, which issued a 341-page report in March 2007, two years after the blast, and from a separate commission led by former Secretary of Sates James Baker III. Both groups faulted BP’s management at all levels for overlooking problems.

“Warning signs of a possible disaster were present for several years, but company officials did not intervene effectively to prevent it,” the Chemical Safety and Hazard probe concluded. “Cost-cutting, failure to invest, and production pressures from BP Group executive managers impaired process safety performance at Texas City.”

And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on…:

Two BP management officials, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss internal matters, said budget cuts were largely the reason equipment was not upgraded or repaired, and indicated that much of it has yet to be addressed. BP’s Alaska budget for 2010 is $1 billion, compared with $1.1 billion in 2009 and $1.3 billion in 2008.

Moreover, according to two BP Alaska officials, projects related to “safety and integrity” have been cut by 30 percent this year and BP’s senior managers receive bonuses for not using funds from BP’s designated maintenance budget, a company wide policy implemented by Hayward. Documents show that Hayward also implemented a cost-cutting directive following the oil spills in 2006 in Prudhoe Bay.

When was it that Tony and Friends starting selling and shorting BP stock? Was that before or after they knew about some major problems with DWH?:

BP Plc was struggling to seal cracks in its Macondo well as far back as February, more than two months before an explosion killed 11 and spewed oil into the Gulf of Mexico.
It took 10 days to plug the first cracks, according to reports BP filed with the Minerals Management Service that were later delivered to congressional investigators. Cracks in the surrounding rock continued to complicate the drilling operation during the ensuing weeks. Left unsealed, they can allow explosive natural gas to rush up the shaft.

“Once they realized they had oil down there, all the decisions they made were designed to get that oil at the lowest cost,” said Peter Galvin of the Center for Biological Diversity, which has been working with congressional investigators probing the disaster. “It’s been a doomed voyage from the beginning.”

In early March, BP told the minerals agency the company was having trouble maintaining control of surging natural gas, according to e-mails released May 30 by the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which is investigating the spill.

Gas Surges:

While gas surges are common in oil drilling, companies have abandoned wells if they determine the risk is too high. When a Gulf well known as Blackbeard threatened to blow out in 2006, Exxon Mobil Corp. shut the project down.

We don’t proceed if we cannot do so safely,” Exxon Chief Executive Officer Rex Tillerson told a House Energy and Commerce committee panel on June 15.

On March 10, BP executive Scherie Douglas e-mailed Frank Patton, the mineral service’s drilling engineer for the New Orleans district, telling him: “We’re in the midst of a well control situation.”

Hayward disposed of 223,288 shares of BP stock on March 17…

I know that they don’t actually have a “company song”, such as a “national anthem”, but I would suggest that if they need one, BP might want to fancy this little jingle for themselves, it’s a popular song by a popular southern band, much favored by the small people:

Ooh, ooh that smell…
Can’t you smell that smell?
Ooh, ooh that smell…
The smell of death surrounds you.

[QUOTE=alcor;37285]CM1,
Where did you drag that idiot up from? Your whole game is up. You couldn’t attempt to take this to a law court based on what the previous respondent has stated. Sounds to me like your Templar quiet moment has backfired somewhat.
How about being open and straight?[/QUOTE]

I just think the Dutch should jump of their high horse.

“Aye Aye Captain”,
“We’ll start displacing and backloading according to your instructions while you find immaterial shite on the internet”.
“Shall we bother with volume control”?
“Aye Aye Captain, according to your instructionns”.
“Shall we stop and check pressure”?
" Not required, Aye Aye Captain".
“But didn’t you fight with the Co Man today regarding tests”.
“Aye Aye Captain, we’ll proceed as ordered”.
“Goodnight Sir, sleep well”.

[QUOTE=AyeCaptain;37294]I know that they don’t actually have a “company song”, such as a “national anthem”, but I would suggest that if they need one, BP might want to fancy this little jingle for themselves, it’s a popular song by a popular southern band, much favored by the small people:

Ooh, ooh that smell…
Can’t you smell that smell?
Ooh, ooh that smell…
The smell of death surrounds you.[/QUOTE]

“Aye Captain, that smell do pervade all about”.
“That smell come from the decisions of other masters Cap’n”.
“Cap’n, you don’t make decisions we might all be regrettin’”.
“Aye, Aye Captain, full displacement according to your orders, Sir”.

[QUOTE=Snowman03782;37295]I just think the Dutch should jump of their high horse.[/QUOTE]

So do I!!!

The noose,
It tightens.
The alcors,
Gettin’ frightened…

[QUOTE=alcor;37296]“Aye Aye Captain”,
“We’ll start displacing and backloading according to your instructions while you find immaterial shite on the internet”.
“Shall we bother with volume control”?
“Aye Aye Captain, according to your instructionns”.
“Shall we stop and check pressure”?
" Not required, Aye Aye Captain".
“But didn’t you fight with the Co Man today regarding tests”.
“Aye Aye Captain, we’ll proceed as ordered”.
“Goodnight Sir, sleep well”.[/QUOTE]
It’s ok. If a dumb country boy from Sout Louisiana can figure it out, Don’t you think others can too? You’re too late. I already assigned blame to TO for allowing themselves to follow along. I also blamed them for prematurely getting rid of the mud & loosing volume control, if they actually did loose volume control. I kept wondering why they waited until 2000 hours to displace. That was the compromise. We will displace ahead but we need to pump the mud off first. They most likely waited until they had the mud removed & at least one tank cleaned & full of seawater before they displaced. They could have shut the pumps down & still had gains in the pits & gains in pressure, especially if the well is coming in at break neck speed. They could have pumped down & attempted to circulate out the choke through the gasbuster & not realised the rams wouldn’t seal off due to lodged casing in the stack. You say I’m a sensationalist, but you can’t prove me wrong in any way can you? In fact looking at the pictures & seeing fire coming out of the gas buster line & the boom, I have very good ground to stand behind my point. Everyone knows you open to the gasbuster to bleed off pressure. That is everyone but you.

“Sir, are you still sleeping”?
" The well’s been speaking",
“Shall we shut her in, Sir”,
“Or ignore the pressure”?

“Aye Captain, continue displacin’ and ignore all gains and any pressure increase, as determined by the Captain”.
“Aye, Aye Cap’n”.
“WE know you know better than us”.
“Full pumps”!!!

[QUOTE=company man 1;37300]It’s ok. If a dumb country boy from Sout Louisiana can figure it out, Don’t you think others can too. You’re too late I already assigned blame to TO for allowing themselves to follow along. I also blamed them for prematurely getting rid of the mud & loosing volume control, if they actually did loose volume control. I kept wondering why they waited until 2000 hours to displace. That was the compromise. We will displace ahead but we need to pump the mud off first. They most likely waited until they had the mud removed & at least one tank cleaned before they displaced. They could have shut the pumps down & still had gains in the pits. You say I’m a sensationalist, but you can’t prove me wrong in any way can you? In fact looking at the pictures & seeing fire coming out of the gas buster line & the boom, I have very good ground to stand behind my point. Everyone knows you open to the gasbuster to bleed off pressure. That is everyone but you.[/QUOTE]

I have busted a gut trying to implicate all involved. All I get back is that I’m some sort of BP spy. I’ve always been prepared to offer sensible arguement and discussion to find the correct outcome of events and who are responsible. When I receive comments of a disparaging nature then I’ll respond. I have made much effort to be the impartial voice on this thread only to be accused of being a spy for BP. Why? Because, I’m not prepared to jump on the ‘noose’ bandwagon…yet. I want all failures to be highlighted, not just the ones that are conveniently parked on BP’s door. I have said all along that BP will be accountable for their failures. But, so will the others. I am 100% neutral in this.
I’ve even said things I regret about Americans, because I will stand my ground when insulted.
You know me from day one, I’ve always looked at the reasons for failure from across the board. Is that such a bad thing?

Some good info in here: http://docs.google.com/View?id=dff7zmqz_7c6rdwsc9

[QUOTE=alcor;37302]I have busted a gut trying to implicate all involved. All I get back is that I’m some sort of BP spy. I’ve always been prepared to offer sensible arguement and discussion to find the correct outcome of events and who are responsible. When I receive comments of a disparaging nature then I’ll respond. I have made much effort to be the impartial voice on this thread only to be accused of being a spy for BP. Why? Because, I’m not prepared to jump on the ‘noose’ bandwagon…yet. I want all failures to be highlighted, not just the ones that are conveniently parked on BP’s door. I have said all along that BP will be accountable for their failures. But, so will the others. I am 100% neutral in this.
I’ve even said things I regret about Americans, because I will stand my ground when insulted.
You know me from day one, I’ve always looked at the reasons for failure from across the board. Is that such a bad thing?[/QUOTE]
Reread post #3131 & tell me it couldn’t have happened that way. The fact is it could have happened exactly that way. It could have happened to you, me, or anyone else exactly that way. If those tests were good & we don’t have any proof they weren’t, except for BP’s spokesmen & they won’t turn over evidence they have that would back it up, then that is the way it did happen as far as I’m concerned. I will wait on ALf, Frarig, Or Pumping Jack or someone else who has actually been on a rig floor & knows exactly what I’m talkin about to correct the flaws in my thinking.

Alcor, get a life and quit being an apologist for BP. We all know there is plenty of blame to go around but this thread is degenerating into an attempt to educate Alcor when Alcor doesn’t wish to be educated. It reminds me of a discussion I had with a guy who refused to believe the Holocaust occurred.

[QUOTE=alcor;37111]If you understood the position of the drilling contractor you wouldn’t hold the opinion you hold now.

I’m an authority on this. I’m not some ass with an opinion about the subject. I do this thing day in and day out.
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Gotta love the whole "If you ain’t Dutch. . . . . . . You ain’t much attitude.

I believe you’ve got it figured out now Alcor, you are the only person on this forum who actually works on a drilling rig, the rest of us are librarians & book keepers just here to try & impress you.

You can stick your finger back in the dike any time now, and well your at it you can put your head back in that other place where you obviously keep it most of the time.

Hello Guys, Just got home,relaxing with an ice cold abita beer,scanning threads,will have to study them tmo,<off day>…too many good things to read tonite. Have to share with you though,a humorous thought: I ve got the giggles,cause ,are you, ready??? I m visualizing all of yall on a stage, with Hard Hats,lol,and you re singing …Macho ! Macho ! Man ! lol. I don t even know ya ll, but I can t help but say, i luv ya…LOL ''man o man, the tempers they flaird, thinking what can we do,I ain t scared…but as long as I have my buddy , upstairs, I ll make sure I 'll protect him with care. THAT BUTTON , it’s here , it’s there, but will I have the guts to press it, ,., Damn straight, I will, F,U,O fear, My guys are here, and I’ll protect them with every waking moment.