[QUOTE=Mjordan22;169081]It’s only 60 days to upgrade to q-med ? I thought it was 180 days (6months)[/QUOTE]
Yes, you need 180 days, but there are QMED courses at certain schools, for example Mid-Atlantic Maritime Academy, that are worth 120 days. So, 60 days of seatime, plus the course equals 180 days. The course is about three weeks long, and includes the USCG exam at the school.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;169082]Yes, you need 180 days, but there are QMED courses at certain schools, for example Mid-Atlantic Maritime Academy, that are worth 120 days. So, 60 days of seatime, plus the course equals 180 days. The course is about three weeks long, and includes the USCG exam at the school.[/QUOTE]
Ok cool just looked it. I’ll defintely take that into consideration. The price seems right considering they are giving you seatime versus if I was to take the QMED course at SeaSchool which is 1500, they don’t offer seatime for the certification
Mid Atlantic Maritime is a good school. I’ve taken several classes there. There is good clean inexpensive lodging and food nearby.
[QUOTE=RubberRhib888;169089]Mid Atlantic Maritime is a good school. I’ve taken several classes there. There is good clean inexpensive lodging and food nearby.[/QUOTE]
That is true. Mid-Atlantic is probably the best option for anyone that lives within an 6 hour drive. Some guys even fly in from Alaska.
Those days must be 8 hr days? I have a strong feeling that the school days are but he may not even need 60 days sea time considering its 180 Coast Guard sea time days which are 8 hr days.
The USCG does not give extra credit for 12 hour days toward a QMED due to a strict interpretation of inconsistencies in the CFRs. So for QMED purposes it does not matter whether he has 8 hour or 12 hour days. Anyway, Work on a construction barge is often 8 hour days to avoid overtime.
The USCG approves a very few courses for seatime credit based upon the perceived value of the training, the length of the classroom day and the number of days of class will be a lot less than the number of days of seatime granted.
It makes sense to grant seatime equivalency for high quality intensive training, especially simulator training, but STCW has excessively limited this. I do not think there is any STCW seatime credit for shoreside training
Oh ok. I was curious cause I know I works for the deck an up. Thanks for clearing that up!
[QUOTE=tugsailor;168932]Discharges are not required or provided on vessels under 100 tons. These days there are a lot of pretty good sized vessels under 100 tons.
Although discharges are still required on vessels over 100 tons, they are not really used in practice anymore except on deep sea ships.
There is also the problem of all the language about drills and so on that the USCG now wants in the seatime letters. Then there is the issue of documenting combined tug and barge tonnage seatime. Then there is DP seatime. Although I prefer and support the use of discharges, I’m not sure that a discharge without a letter would be adequate for all purposes.
We need official USCG Seaman’s Books, like the rest of the world uses.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. . . things have changed much in seagoing operations. I do like the idea of books . . .I still work in the industry, but largely in the Oil and Gas end of things, handling insurance claims and similar. Don’t deal with the day to day stuff. . . anytime I think I miss it, I just think about the last few trips at sea with Belcher. . . .
[QUOTE=tugsailor;169106]The USCG does not give extra credit for 12 hour days toward a QMED due to a strict interpretation of inconsistencies in the CFRs. So for QMED purposes it does not matter whether he has 8 hour or 12 hour days.[/QUOTE]
I’m pretty sure you can use 12 hour days as 1.5 sea days to get Oiler, the problem is that the USC (not CFR) forbids oilers from working more than 8 hours a day so you can’t get day-and-a-half credit for Oiler time when you try to upgrade.
[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;169161]I’m pretty sure you can use 12 hour days as 1.5 sea days to get Oiler, the problem is that the USC (not CFR) forbids oilers from working more than 8 hours a day so you can’t get day-and-a-half credit for Oiler time when you try to upgrade.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I think you have it right.
Not anymore. USC amended by the last Coast Guard and MaritimeTransportation Act.
http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/announcements/pdfs/engine_service_announcement.pdf
[QUOTE=dredgeboater;169188]Not anymore. USC amended by the last Coast Guard and MaritimeTransportation Act.
http://www.uscg.mil/nmc/announcements/pdfs/engine_service_announcement.pdf[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t aware of that, thanks.
I’ll pass that on to oilers I used to work with.
You may be right. I guess from where I stand I’m like you, I’d laugh as I hang the phone up. And the only reason I say something is cause I have been stuck on a boat for 5 weeks and I hated the whole damn crew and it sucked. But, if your willing to deal with the possibility of a bunch of bullshit just to get some sea time then best of luck to you man.
You may be right. I guess from where I stand I’m like you, I’d laugh as I hang the phone up. And the only reason I say something is cause I have been stuck on a boat for 5 weeks and I hated the whole damn crew and it sucked. But, if your willing to deal with the possibility of a bunch of bullshit just to get some sea time then best of luck to you.
you know.
Ive been following this thread with interest from the first day.
Like you I looked at the dirty danns to get my foot in the door.
interview was good. Actually I met the Mr Dann (for whom I have a lot of respect)first.
In general Id say a lot of good people at danns great people even. the gear is nice the new boats are nice.
My experience there was HORRIFIC.
Im not even exaggerating when I say I had a captain who would shit in a bucket and hand it to me and say “you wanna keep your job go clean this”.
I hung in.Degrading, dangerously disrespectful of the hours you work in a row…(I suppose a couple of captains with big egos dont stand for the whole company) Some spectacularly nasty people mixed in with mostly very good ones.
Mix in completely unreliable crew changes, piss poor living conditions, no seatime letter so I had to repeat a whole effin year(!!!) and stress out the ying yang.
Overall, after carefully considering the possibility of getting sued by saying such things (fukkit its all true)my advice is dont go unless you really, really have to, and get out as soon as you can.
Ahh… I feel better.
burning bridges is stupid, but like I told them in our last conversation Id rather be unemployed on the couch in my underwear than work there again so not much to loose.
[QUOTE=Ibleedorange;175850]you know.
Ive been following this thread with interest from the first day.
Like you I looked at the dirty danns to get my foot in the door.
interview was good. Actually I met the Mr Dann (for whom I have a lot of respect)first.
In general Id say a lot of good people at danns great people even. the gear is nice the new boats are nice.
My experience there was HORRIFIC.
Im not even exaggerating when I say I had a captain who would shit in a bucket and hand it to me and say “you wanna keep your job go clean this”.
I hung in.Degrading, dangerously disrespectful of the hours you work in a row…(I suppose a couple of captains with big egos dont stand for the whole company) Some spectacularly nasty people mixed in with mostly very good ones.
Mix in completely unreliable crew changes, piss poor living conditions, no seatime letter so I had to repeat a whole effin year(!!!) and stress out the ying yang.
Overall, after carefully considering the possibility of getting sued by saying such things (fukkit its all true)my advice is dont go unless you really, really have to, and get out as soon as you can.
Ahh… I feel better.
burning bridges is stupid, but like I told them in our last conversation Id rather be unemployed on the couch in my underwear than work there again so not much to loose.[/QUOTE]
Must be a union outfit.
My first job was with Dann Marine Towing. I wasn’t crazy about 30/15 hitches and I actually left the industry for a 20 year career in the Philadelphia police but returned to it after I retired. I called them for a sea time letter after 25 years. They had to dig for my personnel records because it had been so long but 6 mos later I got it in the mail. That said, I learned a lot from my Capt and crew while I was there. The First Coast was by no means a prison ship lol.
i spent two years as an engineer for Dann Marine and it wasn’t the worst experience of my working life. Sure, lots that wasn’t fun but in the end you are getting sea time and experience and none of my paychecks ever bounced.
The key to working for the Danns is keeping your expectations in check and getting a little handle on office politics. Unless you are the Capt or mate you will likely not have your own room, creature comforts were not a concern in designing/building/buying any of their boats. Pay was only OK, food was what you make of it (the monthly food check was a little on the light side but we managed by never letting the unmarried deckhands do the food shopping, they always bought the most expensive and crappiest stuff). You will have some back-asswards crewmates, just deal with it and if something seems like a bad idea don’t follow on and don’t be afraid to stand up for yourself. I once told my captain F-off when he tried telling me to do something I considered inherently dangerous.
As dealing with HR, I never called the office in the morning. The office had their morning meeting at 10:00 and the HR/crewing manager was always in a bad mood after getting yelled at all morning so I made sure I let her have her lunch before calling and we always had pleasant conversations. Took me a while to figure out the port engineer (one of the Dann brothers) but he really just wanted to know what was going on so he liked being called for everything without having you ask him everything. He has some of those so if you don’t ask what to do all the time, you will be one of his better engineers and he will like you. I would call him and tell him, here’s the problem and here’s what I’m doing about it. He liked only having to listen and say OK, do that.