COVID Vaccine For Mariners

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“simping to the government”? This is a field where as an American you pretty much owe government policies and government contracts your job. It’s inherently political, the government (and every foreign government you encounter) will always be involved, covid likely won’t be the weirdest disease or vaccine you don’t have much choice about encountering, and so on. That kind of shoreside culture war politics doesn’t realistically function very well for a mariner.

Generally once you see one even moderate medical incident a thousand miles from a doctor, or a whole ship coming down with so much as the shits or a bad cold mid crossing, you start to deal in more real world terms.

Covid is contagious as hell and a roll of the dice for anyone, at least in terms of getting 3 weeks of nasty cough and fever, and with modern crew sizes you can’t spare anyone. Everyone is at enough “high risk” of temporary incapacitation or a not-quite-hospital-worthy case that I don’t personally want to mess with it at all while dealing with the weather and the plant and the port schedule and every other thing.

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Maybe if y’all would speak reasonably and thoughtfully instead of piling on the kid with shrieking authoritarianism less people would be skeptical of the vaccine. I fail to see where he even confirmed he was going with MSC.

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This is it in a nutshell. Nothing in the FDA statute precludes a private employer from requiring the vaccine. It may seem harsh that you can avoid the vaccine only by abandoning your job, but that’s the law and the easiest way to understand it.

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I don’t recall MSC mentioned by him, per se, but he did say this:

Commissioning implies some form of govt service.

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Yeah, accepting a federal offer is not “simping” if it is something that I desire to do.

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Thank you for the most decent response to my post and one that actually gave me a laugh. Baffled by some of the replies I have gotten.

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No, no, I personally and willingly surrendered my civil liberties for my country, I got that. This is something a bit irrelevant than to what I had originally posted about.

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Thank you for that, much appreciated. And yes I did get an offer from MSC for once I graduate. Simple question exploded into me being a tin foil-hatted, uneducated dunce

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Remember, other countries can and soon will impose on you or your employer a vaccine requirement. Those countries will require you be vaccinated. If you’re not vaccinated you either can’t get to the ship in a foreign port or the ship won’t be able to call on a foreign port with unvaccinated crew; no vaccine would make you unemployable. Also, you won’t be able to get off the ship in a foreign port to go home.

In other words: no vaccine - no job or no going home.

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If that will be the case, i hope to see more employers helping their employees along to get it.

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When I was kid, Americans had a great deal more privacy and freedom, and a lot less government intrusion, than we do today.

Nonetheless, virtually all of us lined up in the hall to get our required vaccinations for Polio, Small Pox, and others. If we didn’t we couldn’t go to public schools. Simple as that.

The only kids that were not vaccinated were the Amish, some Orthodox Jews, and a few others. They did not attend public school.

As a result Small Pox was eradicated. Polio was eradicated, but due to antivaxers, it has made a bit of a very small reappearance. Measles was eradicated in the US, but due to foreign travelers and antivaxers, there have been a few outbreaks in recent years, mostly among Orthodox Jews in New York.

Hopefully, Covid will be more or less under control in the US within a few months to a year, and things will return to somewhat of a normal. However, Antivaxers will prolong this process, cost us $Trillions, and cause periodic Covid outbreaks and local lockdowns for years to come.
It appears that Covid shots may be need every year. Many people will neglect to get revaccinated, without strong government encouragement.

Also, it seems almost inevitable that Covid 19, will be followed by Covid-24, Covid-29, etc. Hopefully, the Covid 19 vaccinations will provide some protection against future pandemics, but there will probably be more mass vaccinations required as new Coronaviruses emerge.

Like it or not, society cannot and will not tolerate antivaxers. There will be so many travel, education, employment, and access to public facilities restrictions on antivaxers, that it will be highly impractical to live a productive life in civil society as an antivaxer.

Unfortunately, Covid 19 has become the first highly politicized disease. It’s time to give up Covid political ideology and to accept science and reality. It’s time to drop the idea that you have the “freedom” to choose. You don’t. You will be vaccinated soon, or you will be an ostracized outcast from civil society with very little freedom.

As for us Mariners, mark my words: proof of Covid vaccination, and all recommended booster shots, will be a requirement for a USCG Seamen’s Medical Card within a year. Within a year, there will be very few employers who will not require proof of vaccination.

Why continue to cling to discredited political ideology? Why wait? Get smart, get with the program, and get vaccinated as soon as possible.

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Regardless, until my phase rolls out, I am unable to get a vaccination. And in hindsight, I am not an anti vax freak, if you were to of read that in my recent replies. Like I also mentioned, this wasn’t meant to blow up and mark me as the “young mav” that “doesn’t get it.”

It was a simple question, followed by some pretty radical responses. I am not denying the fact that this vaccine is most certainly going to be denied. I am not denying the fact that it will most likely be on my med cert.

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Kinda says it all…

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I’m sure it’s coming. And when it does I’ll be out of a job. For the commenters below that contend that a company has a “legal right to do so” is nonsense. There is zero proof that this potentially dangerous “vaccine” prevents an individual from contracting or spreading the disease. Ergo, no legal standing to force it. It has not even been tested on animals, and the technology is experimental. Yeah good luck.

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I’ll make sure to quote your screen name with that legal advice…

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Why? private companies impose their own employment medical restrictions all the time. And why do you put “vaccine” in quotes? Is this not a vaccine?

Riiiight…only tested on humans…can’t trust those trial results /s. With over 100 million vaccines administered thus far in the US alone, I think the testing went just fine.

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To borrow a phrase from one of our recent Presidents:

You’re FIRED!

By the way, you have a very apt screen name.

I’m sorry, I just couldn’t resist.

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Haa I know. It’s a real softball. Luckily I earned that name in gym class not biochemistry. While I like to stir the pot in general, I am concerned about employers forcing an experimental treatment on guys for a virus with a 99.9% recovery rate. All I am saying is that it should be voluntary.

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NJ Says Employers Can Mandate Vaccine, With Exceptions

New Jersey employers can make employees get inoculated against COVID-19 before setting foot on a worksite provided they allow certain exemptions, the state said in recent guidance that lays out a legal road map for businesses that want to adopt a mandatory vaccination policy.

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I am employed federally, so I am sorry for making a blanket statement. There is no legal standing from the government’s corner. As long as the vaccine is experimental, and not approved by the FDA, then it cannot be a condition of employment. Once the FDA stamps it, then its another kettle of fish all together. I put vaccine in quotes because by definition it is closer to a therapeutic then it is to a vaccine. It does not prevent you from contracting or spreading the virus. It is meant only to reduce severity of symptoms. On the other hand, the J&J shot is closer to a vaccine, and appears to be safer. As for the testing going just fine, I would encourage you to look over the CDC website, where as of today, VAERS data showed 44,606 reports of adverse events following COVID vaccines, including 2,050 deaths and 7,095 serious injuries between Dec. 14, 2020 and March 19, 2021. If you’re older, or have a comorbidity issue then maybe its for you. If not, I cannot see how its worth the risk.

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