Can you explain more on this subject or past a link for me. Thanks
A Master OSV 6,000 ITC is qualified to sign the CM/M assessments. As the assessments currently apply for vessels over 3,000 GT. He is Master of that vessel and “trade restrictions” do not apply at this point in time. But like Capt. Leigh noted in another thread, all assessments do not apply to an OSV , such as using an assist tug. They would have to be accomplished on another type of vessel or simulator.
[QUOTE=rjbpilot;85474]A Master OSV 6,000 ITC is qualified to sign the CM/M assessments. As the assessments currently apply for vessels over 3,000 GT. He is Master of that vessel and “trade restrictions” do not apply at this point in time. But like Capt. Leigh noted in another thread, all assessments do not apply to an OSV , such as using an assist tug. They would have to be accomplished on another type of vessel or simulator.[/QUOTE]
That is not correct. A Master OSV 6,000 ton ITC CANNOT sign the CM/M assessments; An Unlimited Master cannot sign off assessments for a 6,000 ton OSV endorsement either…
For the Chief Mate/Masters 53 assessments is it mandatory that the sea time be on a vessel over 3000 Gross Tons or can I use the 1800 Gross Tons that I am working on now and get these signed off?
Read policy letter 04-02. It stipulates the tonnage requirements.
The assessments say it too. The shiphandling ones say “on a ship of at least 3,000 gross tons (ITC).”
I will concede that the Master OSV 6,000 cannot sign off the CM/M assessments. I received some inaccurate information that I took to be true and went with it here on the forum. Sorry folks.
I see now that the Master 6,000 is a Domestic license and despite its tonnage, it still remains an “operational” license. An assessor for CM/M must have a “management” level license.
I would appreciate it if Mr. Jim Cavo would please acknowledge this is the case or refute it for the benefit of all concerned.
So, certain assessments can be conducted aboard an OSV over 3,000 grt with the appropriate “management” level assessor.
RJBPILOT,
The checklist on the NMC website for the Master OSV 6,000 ITC has service requirements of 1600 Grt Master (Non-Trade Restricted) or Master 3,000 ITC. Additionally, the Requirements for Training and Assessments are BOTH Domestic and STCW. I submit that this IS in fact a Management level license. I believe you were correct in your first summation.
Some guidance from Mr. Cavo would be appreciated here.
Why not?..
[QUOTE=rjbpilot;85542]I will concede that the Master OSV 6,000 cannot sign off the CM/M assessments. I received some inaccurate information that I took to be true and went with it here on the forum. Sorry folks.
I see now that the Master 6,000 is a Domestic license and despite its tonnage, it still remains an “operational” license. An assessor for CM/M must have a “management” level license.
I also believe that you were correct in your first assessment, nowhere in Policy letter 04-02 does it require anything more than a Management level STCW rating, and a Master 6000 does indeed hold that rating on that Vessel.
You would literally have to read something into paragraph C to come to any other conclusion.
Just my 2cents.
YMMV
[QUOTE=rjbpilot;85576]Why not?..[/QUOTE]
You have to be specifically approved to assess for that program; I’m sure an unlimited master could assess provided they go through the process, and that would mean OSV time if they had none.
[QUOTE=Iron Horse;85575]RJBPILOT,
The checklist on the NMC website for the Master OSV 6,000 ITC has service requirements of 1600 Grt Master (Non-Trade Restricted) or Master 3,000 ITC. Additionally, the Requirements for Training and Assessments are BOTH Domestic and STCW. I submit that this IS in fact a Management level license. I believe you were correct in your first summation.
Some guidance from Mr. Cavo would be appreciated here.[/QUOTE]
Really??? Holy hell… If you had a management level license as a 6,000 ton OSV Master, then why in the hell would you be doing the assessments for it when upgrading to Chief Mate??? YOU WOULD HAVE IT ALREADY!
“”“Attention all personnel. All 6,000 ton Masters are Management Level Personnel now. This means that anyone that ever had this license ’ never had to take all of those courses’ or do any of the assessments because they were already qualified by STCW.”"" This is a joke.
Come on guys, Management Level is Chief Mate and Master…not a 1,600 ton Master, or a 6,000 ton Master which is simply the same thing with a trade restricted endorsement on it. A 6000 ton Master does not have to qualify for the Management level and that was the whole damn reason why industry came up the endorsement to begin with (to not have to #1 take the courses (now dropped), and #2 the assessments); I got one of the first 6,000 ton endorsements in 1997, thanks to ECO for the M/V Gary Chouest, the first large OSV. Been there and done that - been at this for a while up to Master…but, if you guys want to keep assuming things, go right ahead, but it will bite you. I would even go as far as saying that you would even get approved to test because NMC would most likely not even catch it…to each his own.
My problem is the misinformation… Cavo may have said that you can get the CM/M assessments done on a large OSV, but he certainly didn’t say that they could be signed by a 6,000 ton OSV Master…I’ll put my 401k, wife, and dog on that one my friends.
Actually the first 6000 was issued to the crew of the Akira. Then they assessed for the Laney and the 280 class vessels. Prior to the 6000 you would have received a special vessel specific endorsement to run that vessel. Pretty sure that’s how it went down.
[QUOTE=Capt Leigh;85579][QUOTE=rjbpilot;85542]
I also believe that you were correct in your first assessment, nowhere in Policy letter 04-02 does it require anything more than a Management level STCW rating, and a Master 6000 does indeed hold that rating on that Vessel.
You would literally have to read something into paragraph C to come to any other conclusion.
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What he said…
[QUOTE=wetback;85593]Actually the first 6000 was issued to the crew of the Akira. Then they assessed for the Laney and the 280 class vessels. Prior to the 6000 you would have received a special vessel specific endorsement to run that vessel. Pretty sure that’s how it went down.[/QUOTE]
The Akira was called the Margaret Chouest and was not even an OSV when the 6,000 ton license came out - it got converted later…me and one other guy had a 6,000 ton for the Gary Chouest, the first two, but there were a few that got the vessel name in the second batch of applicants. It got so confusing between needing all the vessel names, and all of that on your licenses later on, only then they decided one vessel name covers all, then they went back to where it started - back to the 6,000 ton. When this was going on remember that NMC was not centralized and each REC interpreted things a little differently.
[QUOTE=anchorman;85599]The Akira was called the Margaret Chouest and was not even an OSV when the 6,000 ton license came out - it got converted later…me and one other guy had a 6,000 ton for the Gary Chouest, the first two, but there were a few that got the vessel name in the second batch of applicants. It got so confusing between needing all the vessel names, and all of that on your licenses later on, only then they decided one vessel name covers all, then they went back to where it started - back to the 6,000 ton. When this was going on remember that NMC was not centralized and each REC interpreted things a little differently.[/QUOTE]
That is actually kinda funny Wetback…the Akira crew assessed the Laney crew!!!..
I was on the Laney from delivery 2003 till the Dino came out and went Master on her 2008. There were a few that tried to come from the Akira to work on the anchor boats, but couldn’t cut it and went on their way…certainly wasn’t there to assess me or anyone else.
Really doesn’t matter anymore anyway, I left all of that, got my Master, and worked up to Master on a 6th generation drill ship…
Not arguing with you just trying to clear up what I heard. Thanks for the info…Good Luck on the rigs. Enjoy your posts…
Akira is only 3820 GT
I don’t think he needs any luck.
[QUOTE=Diesel;85730]I don’t think he needs any luck.[/QUOTE]
It takes a little bit of luck and a whole lot of hard work my friend.