I have a friend of mine that is trying to get his Singapore conversion for his Chief MODU license. The thing is he does not have STCW 95. He has his Basic Safety Training, Proficiency in Survival Craft, and Advanced Fire Fighting. Does he just need to apply for STCW? This is a peculiar case that I have never come across. I am thinking that if he applies for his STCW 95 that they will just issue him a new MMC with the domestic license and STCW. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Isn’t a MODU chief one of those dufus tickets made for the oil patch and has no STCW equivalent? Most other countries that require a license require a good old fashioned STCW compliant marine engineer’s ticket.
I think you can take all the STCW training courses that exist and it still won’t make a US limited license meet any international standard that doesn’t exist otherwise.
Then again, I could be wrong and await more information from those who have obtained a foreign endorsement or CeC.
I know that Panama does recognize Chief MODU and issues the foreign conversion as such. I understand what you are saying and that may be my question. Is the Chief MODU valid internationally? If so how does he get his STCW?
[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;50282]I know that Panama does recognize Chief MODU and issues the foreign conversion as such. I understand what you are saying and that may be my question. Is the Chief MODU valid internationally? If so how does he get his STCW?[/QUOTE]
STCW is usually what each country crosses over. They can care less about what the MMC says if it doesn’t have code [B]A-III/2 [/B]on his STCW. Tell him to get with NMC to get [B]A-III/2 [/B]restricted to MODU’s endorsed on his STCW.
[B]A-III/2 [/B]covers all Chief Engineer licenses, fishing, OSV, limited,…even unlimited when it has no restriction. I would start with NMC and ask why he doesn’t have that code and how to get it. Flag states generally do not care one iota of the restriction as long as that code is on the STCW. Once that is resolved an application can be made with Singapore, you can request a CRA “certificate of receipt of application” and he will be good for 90 days. legally, while the application is being processed.
[QUOTE=anchorman;50285]STCW is usually what each country crosses over. They can care less about what the MMC says if it doesn’t have code [B]A-III/2 [/B]on his STCW. Tell him to get with NMC to get [B]A-III/2 [/B]restricted to MODU’s endorsed on his STCW.
[B]A-III/2 [/B]covers all Chief Engineer licenses, fishing, OSV, limited,…even unlimited when it has no restriction. I would start with NMC and ask why he doesn’t have that code and how to get it. Flag states generally do not care one iota of the restriction as long as that code is on the STCW. Once that is resolved an application can be made with Singapore, you can request a CRA “certificate of receipt of application” and he will be good for 90 days. legally, while the application is being processed.[/QUOTE]
That is exactly what I thought and confirmed with IASKNMC. Now he has to take BST. His is since 2001 and they say it has to be within the last 5 years. Thanks for the response.
Steamer,
Does it make you bitter that he can be your equal on a MODU? He is perfectly qualified and an expert in his field. Let me hear your thoughts on this. Don’t be surprised if this happens with the OSV. Unlimited Master OSV, here we come.
[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;50417]That is exactly what I thought and confirmed with IASKNMC. Now he has to take BST. His is since 2001 and they say it has to be within the last 5 years. Thanks for the response.
Steamer,
Does it make you bitter that he can be your equal on a MODU? He is perfectly qualified and an expert in his field. Let me hear your thoughts on this. Don’t be surprised if this happens with the OSV. Unlimited Master OSV, here we come.[/QUOTE]
He cannot be equal to an unlimited Chief Engineer. He is restricted to a MODU. Absolutely nothing wrong with that considering the time, training, and experience it takes to become an expert on a MODU - outside the scope of any STCW requirements. If he wants to go the unlimited route, he can do that too. I can’t believe they are requiring him to retake BST, but if he never used those courses to get STCW, that is his own stupid fault. Retaking STCW BST will start with implementation of STCW 2010 amendments - every 5 years - for everyone. I figured on the rigs, the training matrix with the company or client would mandate Bosiet, which can be taken as STCW BST + Huet.
[QUOTE=anchorman;50420]He cannot be equal to an unlimited Chief Engineer. He is restricted to a MODU. Absolutely nothing wrong with that considering the time, training, and experience it takes to become an expert on a MODU - outside the scope of any STCW requirements. If he wants to go the unlimited route, he can do that too. I can’t believe they are requiring him to retake BST, but if he never used those courses to get STCW, that is his own stupid fault. Retaking STCW BST will start with implementation of STCW 2010 amendments - every 5 years - for everyone. I figured on the rigs, the training matrix with the company or client would mandate Bosiet, which can be taken as STCW BST + Huet.[/QUOTE]
When I am trying to pick a fight with Steamer…You stay out of it!!!
[QUOTE=anchorman;50420] I figured on the rigs, the training matrix with the company or client would mandate Bosiet, which can be taken as STCW BST + Huet.[/QUOTE]
Does BOSIET fulfill the BST requirements for STCW? If that is the case he has a current BOSIET. I don’t think it will work, though.
I am told bosiet won’t cut it in the USA in 2012 for sure, I am not at all sure about how it’s currently viewed. There is talk of phasing out the MODU license as well but I don’t see that happening any time soon. At any rate , sooner or later the gentleman is going to have to get the STCW BST out of the way, might as well do it now.
[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;50427]Does BOSIET fulfill the BST requirements for STCW? If that is the case he has a current BOSIET. I don’t think it will work, though.[/QUOTE]
Bosiet does not cover BST, but BST + Huet covers Bosiet…for the licensed mariners, that would be the route that I would go considering the 2010 STCW requirements breathing down everyone’s neck.
[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;50426]When I am trying to pick a fight with Steamer…You stay out of it!!![/QUOTE]
What’s to fight about? By the time he gets the training and experience to replace me on a ship I won’t be sailing anyway … MODU is a limitation, not a shortcut.
The only issue I have with these dufus tickets is that the companies created them to breed a subclass of mariners who will always be limited to working for them. It is a shame that new guys entering that business don’t know that they could use that time and training to get paperwork that will open the rest of the world to them.
[QUOTE=Steamer;50449]What’s to fight about? By the time he gets the training and experience to replace me on a ship I won’t be sailing anyway … MODU is a limitation, not a shortcut.
The only issue I have with these dufus tickets is that the companies created them to breed a subclass of mariners who will always be limited to working for them. It is a shame that new guys entering that business don’t know that they could use that time and training to get paperwork that will open the rest of the world to them.[/QUOTE]
Sorry Steamer. I laid a trap for a Hog, but I caught a pig. I put the bait out, but anchorman ruined it. The thing you fail to understand that without these programs many qualified field specialist would never get that position. To navigate the USCG licensing system is like space travel to some and no one to ask for help. Being stuck in one field doesn’t matter, because they do not have any intention of leaving this field anyway.
[QUOTE=Capt. Lee;50450] I laid a trap for a Hog, but I caught a pig.[/QUOTE]
[B]You couldn’t catch me if I was swine flu![/B]
[QUOTE=Steamer;50449]What’s to fight about? By the time he gets the training and experience to replace me on a ship I won’t be sailing anyway … MODU is a limitation, not a shortcut.
The only issue I have with these dufus tickets is that the companies created them to breed a subclass of mariners who will always be limited to working for them. It is a shame that new guys entering that business don’t know that they could use that time and training to get paperwork that will open the rest of the world to them.[/QUOTE]
The only limit is the person.
[QUOTE=anchorman;50456]
[B]You couldn’t catch me if I was swine flu![/B][/QUOTE]
Now THAT is seriously funny.I jumped back and rolled over my toe with my chair when I saw that picture, THEN I had to clean the spit off my screen I was laughing so hard. Geez…
[QUOTE=tengineer;50475]Now THAT is seriously funny.I jumped back and rolled over my toe with my chair when I saw that picture, THEN I had to clean the spit off my screen I was laughing so hard. Geez…[/QUOTE]
I did, too. I laughed out loud, when I saw this. You just can’t one up this guy.
Yeah Marmot is an interesting fellow.
[QUOTE=anchorman;50420]He cannot be equal to an unlimited Chief Engineer. He is restricted to a MODU. Absolutely nothing wrong with that considering the time, training, and experience it takes to become an expert on a MODU - outside the scope of any STCW requirements. If he wants to go the unlimited route, he can do that too. I can’t believe they are requiring him to retake BST, but if he never used those courses to get STCW, that is his own stupid fault. Retaking STCW BST will start with implementation of STCW 2010 amendments - every 5 years - for everyone. I figured on the rigs, the training matrix with the company or client would mandate Bosiet, which can be taken as STCW BST Huet.[/QUOTE]Sir, You mention that STCW 2010 plus HUET will cover up the BOSIET course right.How concrete is that statement? I just finish my STCW 2010 with Emirates International Maritime Academy(EIMA), at first I wanted to go for Armed SSO-precisely Escort of Oil tankers. I am an Unarmed ISPS gaurd in Dpworld Jebel Ali Sea port.I came to realised most vessel will prefer only UK or US,French ex military for that role and I’m a Cameroonian,also I am planing to get married and I wouldnt want to keep my newly wedded wife for so long away from me,so I want to switch to Oil Plattform/rig. I Contacted GTSC in Abu Dhabi asking for HUET with EBS and H2S.I also demanded an advice to verify what you wrote concerning STCW 2010 HUET = BOSIET. Below is his reply.’‘Dear Sir, As advised, Having STCW and HUET EBS wont’ cover BOSIET. If you require a BOSIET certificate you have to do the BOSIET course’’ I’m not ruling out your Opinion,just want a verifiable source so as to know I’m choosen the right certification part to my new career. Any response will be gladly appreciated.