[QUOTE=anchorman;51027]You would if you were a 2nd Mate trying to get a 1600 ton Master and realized that it will cost about $35,000 in Management STCW courses. From 2nd Mate, there would be no more 70 question cross over exam for a 1600 ton Master license without taking those courses. Part of the problem and why this is being fought, is all of the management level courses are tailored to blue water ships,…tankers, bulkers, etc… And, the USCG wants to make this a requirement for a 1600 ton Master? Ha, back to the drawing board guys…another proposal that makes no sense whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
I don’t believe in black helicopters(not completely anyway) but I find it curious about the USCG wanting to apply the management stcw courses to the 1600 license. I have heard some academies are now issuing 1600 ton licenses instead of/ in addition to 3rd mate. Anyone else see a correlation here? I guess their enrollment may be down since U.S. bluewater shipping is all but gone.
[QUOTE=anchorman;51026]You can say the same thing for a 1600 ton Mate trying to upgrade to 1600 ton Master.[/QUOTE]
Except to get a 1600 Master from 1600 Mate, you need 4 years total service, 2 years of which has to have been as Master or Mate. That is versus a 3rd upgrading to 2nd Mate, which requires only 1 year as Mate.
[QUOTE=Capt. Fran;51042]Except to get a 1600 Master from 1600 Mate, you need 4 years total service, 2 years of which has to have been as Master or Mate. That is versus a 3rd upgrading to 2nd Mate, which requires only 1 year as Mate.[/QUOTE]
Very true, but 4 years of school takes care of the service time for the academy grads. I’m not saying that will make you a Master after (1) year in the industry, as a 3rd Mate, in the commanding sense, but neither does 15 years unless you have proven yourself to the owner of the vessel.
Either way, it’s ridiculous to include even more licenses under the same management regime. Maybe one day, someone will wake up and develop a training matrix for the entire industry, but broken into segments that emphasize more focused training over sheer volume for the masses.
It’s almost like going through high school where personal credit is not taught or even discussed and 1/2 of the 22 year old kids one day learn that a 585 FICO score is not very good. They’re like, “What’s a FICO score”? …but, they all know who wrote Romeo and Juliet.
William Shakespeare is a pseudonym for Flashing Light.
Look at Section 11.412b, NEW Section 11.413, and Section 11.414 (which my current license would fall under).
I was already looking to upgrade, not because I think I’m ready to be a Captain, but because it’s the next logical progression. Now I’ve got to figure out if I can get it done before 1/1/2012. sigh
I was already looking to upgrade, not because I think I’m ready to be a Captain, but because it’s the next logical progression. Now I’ve got to figure out if I can get it done before 1/1/2012. sigh[/QUOTE]
One way to give yourself a bit of a cushion (which has been discussed here before) is to get as many of the requirements done as possible by the end of the year and submitting your app., even though it is incomplete. You then get your letter (sometime in 2012) listing the deficiencies, and are given 90 days to correct them. So that should get you at least until April 2012 to get all the requirements done.
Apparently you can request an extension on the 90 days, too, if you have a good reason (can’t get that class until…, etc.)
Look at Section 11.412b, NEW Section 11.413, and Section 11.414 (which my current license would fall under).
I was already looking to upgrade, not because I think I’m ready to be a Captain, but because it’s the next logical progression. Now I’ve got to figure out if I can get it done before 1/1/2012. sigh[/QUOTE]
We published a notice saying we were re-considering the Nov '09 NPRM> Don’t make any plans or assumptions on that proposed rule.
Maybe I’m reading the regulations incorrectly, but with the way Capt Fran & Anchorman discussed it I’m not.
Currently the Management Level STCW courses are not REQUIRED for a 1600 Ton Mate to advance to 1600 Ton Master. If this proposed rule were to take effect they would be.
I went through an AB to Mate program. While the company absorbed the direct financial costs, there were still costs to me and my family. Having to do something like that AGAIN is not high on my list.
My hope would be to get the 1600 Ton Master before such might take effect. If it’s 1/1/2012 I don’t have the sea time as a mate.
That’s the problem with most mariners. Planning and career guidance is the one thing that you must plan for, well in advance. The entire process breeds assumption. No mater how you look at it, somebody is going to bite the bullet.