Can you imagine if the USA had a sovereign wealth fund created by our energy riches?

But that would be…gasp…SOCIALISM!

All Norwegians Become Crown Millionaires, In Oil Saving Landmark

by Reuters - Alister Doyle

Wednesday, January 08, 2014

OSLO, Jan 8 (Reuters) - Everyone in Norway became a theoretical crown millionaire on Wednesday in a milestone for the world’s biggest sovereign wealth fund that has ballooned thanks to high oil and gas prices.

Set up in 1990, the fund owns around 1 percent of the world’s stocks, as well as bonds and real estate from London to Boston, making the Nordic nation an exception when others are struggling under a mountain of debts.

A preliminary counter on the website of the central bank, which manages the fund, rose to 5.11 trillion crowns ($828.66 billion), fractionally more than a million times Norway’s most recent official population estimate of 5,096,300.

It was the first time it reached the equivalent of a million crowns each, central bank spokesman Thomas Sevang said.

Not that Norwegians will be able to access or spend the money, squirrelled away for a rainy day for them and future generations. Norway has resisted the temptation to splurge all the windfall since striking oil in the North Sea in 1969.

Finance Minister Siv Jensen told Reuters the fund, called the Government Pension Fund Global, had helped iron out big, unpredictable swings in oil and gas prices. Norway is the world’s number seven oil exporter.

“Many countries have found that temporary large revenues from natural resource exploitation produce relatively short-lived booms that are followed by difficult adjustments,” she said in an email.

The fund, equivalent to 183 percent of 2013 gross domestic product, is expected to peak at 220 percent around 2030.

“The fund is a success in the sense that parliament has managed to put aside money for the future. There are many examples of countries that have mot managed that,” said Oeystein Doerum, chief economist at DNB Markets.

Norway has sought to avoid the boom and bust cycle by investing the cash abroad, rather than at home. Governments can spend 4 percent of the fund in Norway each year, slightly more than the annual return on investment.

Still, in Norway, oil wealth may have made the state reluctant to make reforms or cut subsidies unthinkable elsewhere. Farm subsidies allow farmers, for instance, to keep dairy cows in heated barns in the Arctic.

It may also have made some Norwegians reluctant to work. “One in five people of working age receives some kind of social insurance instead of working,” Doerum said, despite an official unemployment rate of 3.3 percent.

OH THE SHEER HORROR OF IT ALL!

Is that sarcasm? Hah!

If it were true here in the USA people would be lined up around the block working harder at getting their government paycheck than they would if they actually gave a damn about their actually job. Which would also depend on if doing their actual job would fit in with their social schedule.

I’ve been thinking about moving back to Norway and getting a PhD in Arctic technology. They are investing insane amounts of money into education and research - you get more money for studying in the university than I get for working full-time in a desktop job. It’s also damn beautiful there and the people are nice.

I also think that the way the Norwegians save money for the future by taxing the energy industry is the only right way to do it. After all, they are going to run out of oil one day.

In a way, the United States has so much more in reserves. Taking into account the vast minerals, fertile land, opportunity, education, etc. But the difference is our government squanders every penny without regard to the rainy days that surely come. Funny how a socialist government has the restraint to not piss away the farm.

Interesting how one in five people who could work simply don’t because they know the guv’mint has their back. I can just see how well that would work here. As if we don’t already have enough problems with drugs and crime. I’m sure elevating the unemployment rate to 20% (that 3.3% thing is a load of B.S.) would do wonders for this country’s social problems. Norway can keep their super fund. We’ll work for our money. Those who don’t can eat dirt.

The best way to lower unemployment is better job creation. What we really need is some infrastructure spending to open up jobs and create a better environment for businesses to grow, which in turn will also create more jobs.

[QUOTE=LI_Domer;128035]The best way to lower unemployment is better job creation. What we really need is some infrastructure spending to open up jobs and create a better environment for businesses to grow, which in turn will also create more jobs.[/QUOTE]

The perfect combination of the public and private sectors. A little government involvement, but not too much. Ideal.

Shovel ready jobs being refered to? Come on folks…this sounds like the trappings of a Marxist.

How about making corporate income taxes 0% and require that all company leadership must be US residents and/or pay US income taxes same as all citizens. Large corporations don’t really add that much to the tax roll anyhow. The corporations that get hurt by corporate income taxes are the little guys that don’t have the resources to find the loopholes like the Exxons and Apples of the world.

[QUOTE=lm1883;128039]A new lock at Sault St Marie would be nice. That’s shovel ready. We could also dredge our harbors not just to maintenance levels, but beyond (i guess this is taking place now). Etc…[/QUOTE]

I watched that PR video the other day about raising the clearance height of the Bayonne Bridge by 65’ additional feet, that sounds like a pretty cool project right there. It’d be nice to see a lot more of that going on in harbors of all sizes across the country, not just big container magnets like NY.

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[QUOTE=BPB1981;128041]How about making corporate income taxes 0% and require that all company leadership must be US residents and/or pay US income taxes same as all citizens. Large corporations don’t really add that much to the tax roll anyhow. The corporations that get hurt by corporate income taxes are the little guys that don’t have the resources to find the loopholes like the Exxons and Apples of the world.[/QUOTE]

I always found that it’s not that more money gets more tax breaks, it’s that people or organizations with more money have the time and resources to find out how to not have to pay as much. If they want to do the research and get the breaks, good for them, that same information is right there for anyone of any income to find. In that sense I don’t find anything unfair about the structure of taxes in this country.

I agree. Those that can find their deserved deductions and such should take advantage of them. There are privileges built into the system that benefits those organizations and individuals that do well, which I am all for. It’s actually an incentive to do better. It’s like slogging it out with one airline to get status - it eventually pays off.

If you dropped the income tax for corps look at all of the small shops and manufacturers that could devote more cash towards increasing their payrolls or current employees’ pay checks. Also it reduces the burden on the IRS. It’s theoretical and maybe I’m talking out of my posterior but it might stimulate more foreign investment into out economy, or at least mitigate its outflow.

I’l bet everyone else’s sovereign wealth fund was paid for by the US
$30 billion in November to the enemy, when are you gunna learn…
http://www.pickensplan.com/oilimports/

Because the Civilian Conservation Corps was soo unAmerican back in the '30s or the interstate highway system, we all know how that was a total failure.

The fact is infrastructure projects like that, or dredging out our harbors, raising bridges, repaving roads are all necessary. There’s tons of projects out there. Yeah some are bs scam projects put forth by corrupt officials. Those are the ones all the detractors point out to say that the governments just pissing away all the money even though they’re rare. Building roads(etc.) creates jobs, puts money into the economy as workers now have more money to spend, and grows private sector business.

Since we built the IHS we haven’t had as large of a public project that I can think of. It’s too bad conservatives don’t believe in Keynesian Economics.

Ahhh yes, that’s the problem, not enough government spending. Trillion dollar deficits haven’t stimulated the economy enough, let’s spend more.

Pretty much what we have here in Alaska.

[QUOTE=commtuna;128070]Pretty much what we have here in Alaska.[/QUOTE]

very true and we see what a horrible idea that proved to be…

what new toy to buy with that dividend check this year?

I wouldnt say its a horrible idea at all. I dont really see any downside to free money. If aomeone wants to blow it on useless crap then thats their prerogative.

I just like the idea of big companies taking resources out of the state and giving back to the people who live and work there.

I was being facetious of course

Well then nevermind. You and your sarcasm…

[QUOTE=LI_Domer;128064]Because the Civilian Conservation Corps was soo unAmerican back in the '30s or the interstate highway system, we all know how that was a total failure…[/QUOTE]

I remember my Grandpa and great uncles talking about the CCC, NRA and WPA (we piddle around). One crew digging holes and another filling them in. They said everyone was kept busy. They finally were pulled out of the hole by WW2 when the machine geared up.