What does marquette look for during background check river division
Im going to go out on a limb and guess convictions ( that’s usually what everyone is looking for… )?
Can’t speak to Marquette particularly, but I would suspect they look for most of the same things other shipping companies look for. If you can get a TWIC and MMC you probably won’t have much to worry about. It’s also possible they could be looking at your job history to make sure you’re not a flake.
murders, drug trafficking, DUI’s ect.
[QUOTE=dncartersweatte1993;159030]murders, drug trafficking, DUI’s ect.[/QUOTE]
I recently asked about this (obviously at a different company). They are mostly concerned with violent crime, drugs, and theft within the last few years. They say that they are dealing with sailors so they cannot afford to be too fussy. While background checks are going up, the quality of crewman character is definitely going down.
The companies are just going through the motions, checking the box that they did a background check, and that they have it in the file. Most of these background checks must be pretty cheap because they do not seem to be very thorough. I’ve seen some real criminals slip through.
I have twic mmc and passport. Told them about my criminal history. First time i ever had a background ran. I have had only job and recently got laid off. I have theft by worthless check from 10 years ago on it
I have seen more clean cut clean background come theough and are the worst to deal with. Had a boy that did a nickel in the pen and is the hardest worker i know
The thing with background checks is even if convictions do pop up, the HR people have to actually decide if it matters or not. I guess the one thing that would definitely get you not hired is if you have any CURRENT warrants.
[QUOTE=Greenhorn deckhand;159051]I have seen more clean cut clean background come theough and are the worst to deal with. Had a boy that did a nickel in the pen and is the hardest worker i know[/QUOTE]
so by your logic, companies should actually seek out people with criminal records? Let me guess, you probably have a criminal record? Those of us that have clean cut backgrounds can be a pain in the ass because we made smart choices and have OPTIONS.we don’t have to appease if we don’t want to.
Yes i do stated that in the last post. I believe that a HR should know but shouldnt be weighted in the hiring decision. There is a campaign that i support andits called check the box. Purpose is to get background limited to certain crimes and certain industries.
Why should i hire a guy that is clean with options he may go elsewhere. When i could hire the guy with a rap that has no options and know he more than likely will stay. Every captain i know has a record.
A pervasive problem in American Society is the loss of privacy, and the “right to have long past problems forgotten.” There are too many databases that are too open to anyone with hacking skills or a few dollars to buy a “background check.”
We need to give people a chance to be productive citizens. Too many things have been over criminalized, and relatively minor convictions follow people too long. Too many minor crimes result in demonization. A simple drunk driving conviction follows people for life, and has been way over demonized. Any type of domestic violence claim can be a career ender. A lot of things that few people would consider domestic violence, are so considered under the law. A workplace termination for an unproven claim of sexual harassment can make someone unemployable for a very long time. Credit reports have also gotten way out of hand. There need to be more limits on who can access and sell what information. Certain types of information needs to be expunged after certain periods of time.
That said, boat company background checks are failing to screen out people who should be screened out.
Regardless of whatever happened in one’s past, if someone keeps renewing their MMC and twic with no problems, I would wonder why a company would still shoot an applicant down…if they’ve never had a felony at least.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;159081]A pervasive problem in American Society is the loss of privacy, and the “right to have long past problems forgotten.” There are too many databases that are too open to anyone with hacking skills or a few dollars to buy a “background check.”
We need to give people a chance to be productive citizens. Too many things have been over criminalized, and relatively minor convictions follow people too long. Too many minor crimes result in demonization. A simple drunk driving conviction follows people for life, and has been way over demonized. Any type of domestic violence claim can be a career ender. A lot of things that few people would consider domestic violence, are so considered under the law. A workplace termination for an unproven claim of sexual harassment can make someone unemployable for a very long time. Credit reports have also gotten way out of hand. There need to be more limits on who can access and sell what information. Certain types of information needs to be expunged after certain periods of time.
That said, boat company background checks are failing to screen out people who should be screened out.[/QUOTE]
Maybe those background checks are looking for the wrong things then. Is there any segment of the maritime industry where a TWIC isn’t required? If you can pass the background check required to get a TWIC or MMC, that ought to be good enough for the company. The exception would be a job that requires a security clearance, of course.
I also agree stuff like credit checks are way out of hand. What does my credit score have to do with my car insurance? Is there some correlation between having a lower credit score and a poorer driving record? Sex offenses–I can understand if you were convicted of molesting children, but you can also catch a beef for taking a leak in a back alley. DUIs, yeah, if you’ve got several or were WAY over the limit, yeah, sure, I get it. But you can also get nailed even if you’re under the legal limit, just so long as the cop “thinks” you’re impaired.
Either background checks should only be allowed to go back so far, or information that would be flagged on a background check ought to be “sealed” after so long. For that matter, ordinary employment background checks should only be allowed to search for certain things anyway.
[QUOTE=tugsailor;159081]A pervasive problem in American Society is the loss of privacy, and the “right to have long past problems forgotten.” There are too many databases that are too open to anyone with hacking skills or a few dollars to buy a “background check.”
We need to give people a chance to be productive citizens. Too many things have been over criminalized, and relatively minor convictions follow people too long. Too many minor crimes result in demonization. A simple drunk driving conviction follows people for life, and has been way over demonized. Any type of domestic violence claim can be a career ender. A lot of things that few people would consider domestic violence, are so considered under the law. A workplace termination for an unproven claim of sexual harassment can make someone unemployable for a very long time. Credit reports have also gotten way out of hand. There need to be more limits on who can access and sell what information. Certain types of information needs to be expunged after certain periods of time.
That said, boat company background checks are failing to screen out people who should be screened out.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ctony;159083]Regardless of whatever happened in one’s past, if someone keeps renewing their MMC and twic with no problems, I would wonder why a company would still shoot an applicant down…if they’ve never had a felony at least.[/QUOTE]
I can say I pretty much agree with all of the above.
If I were a boat owner, id hire a guy with 10 DUIs, but he would be a deck hand, not a captain.
[QUOTE=awulfclark;159086]Maybe those background checks are looking for the wrong things then. Is there any segment of the maritime industry where a TWIC isn’t required? If you can pass the background check required to get a TWIC or MMC, that ought to be good enough for the company. The exception would be a job that requires a security clearance, of course.
I also agree stuff like credit checks are way out of hand. [U][/U][B] What does my credit score have to do with my car insurance? Is there some correlation between having a lower credit score and a poorer driving record[/B]? Sex offenses–I can understand if you were convicted of molesting children, but you can also catch a beef for taking a leak in a back alley. DUIs, yeah, if you’ve got several or were WAY over the limit, yeah, sure, I get it. But you can also get nailed even if you’re under the legal limit, just so long as the cop “thinks” you’re impaired.
Either background checks should only be allowed to go back so far, or information that would be flagged on a background check ought to be “sealed” after so long. For that matter, ordinary employment background checks should only be allowed to search for certain things anyway.[/QUOTE]
You make poor choices with money, you have poor credit, you are a higher risk. You make poor choices with money, then you are a person who makes poor choices in general, thus you are a higher risk. Dont think of it as you being punished for having bad credit, think of it as a reward for those of us who worked our asses off to get good credit.
[QUOTE=Ctony;159083]Regardless of whatever happened in one’s past, if someone keeps renewing their MMC and twic with no problems, I would wonder why a company would still shoot an applicant down…if they’ve never had a felony at least.[/QUOTE]
The bar is set fairly low for TWICs. Apparently, so for MMCs as well. At least companies think so, that is why they are now doing their own background checks.
Once upon a time, there might have been an important distinction between petty crimes and a felony, less so now. Lots of things that shouldn’t be are now felonies. Example: a guy recently told me that in a particular state it is now a felony to shoot a turkey out of season. There are more and more crimes that do not require intentional misconduct. Often all it takes now is an unfortunate mistake.
[QUOTE=snacktray;159090]You make poor choices with money, you have poor credit, you are a higher risk. You make poor choices with money, then you are a person who makes poor choices in general, thus you are a higher risk. Dont think of it as you being punished for having bad credit, think of it as a reward for those of us who worked our asses off to get good credit.[/QUOTE]
How about the guy who had to decide between paying his mortgage or paying for that emergency surgery for his kid? Not everyone with less than perfect credit is there because of bad financial decisions. Besides which, what THE FUCK does making a financial decision have to do with making a driving decision? Hypothetically, because I bought that computer on Best Buy credit I couldn’t afford, suddenly I’m a guy who speeds excessively, cuts people off, tailgates, texts while driving?
I have no problem whatsover getting a credit card with a limit well into five figures, no problem getting a car loan at the best possible terms, yet a couple years ago my previous car insurance thought my credit report wasn’t good enough for them and jacked my rates up. Nothing more than a money grab by the insurance companies as far as I’m concerend.
[QUOTE=awulfclark;159094[U][/U][B]]How about the guy who had to decide between paying his mortgage or paying for that emergency surgery for his kid? Not everyone with less than perfect credit is there because of bad financial decisions[/B]. Besides which, what THE FUCK does making a financial decision have to do with making a driving decision? Hypothetically, because I bought that computer on Best Buy credit I couldn’t afford, suddenly I’m a guy who speeds excessively, cuts people off, tailgates, texts while driving?
I have no problem whatsover getting a credit card with a limit well into five figures, no problem getting a car loan at the best possible terms, yet a couple years ago my previous car insurance thought my credit report wasn’t good enough for them and jacked my rates up. Nothing more than a money grab by the insurance companies as far as I’m concerend.[/QUOTE]
Here is another hypothetical situation; you had a child you couldn’t afford health insurance for, so you had a child when you couldn’t afford it, bad financial decision.
Child was an accident you say? You didn’t wear a condom. You have poor judgment. Youre a risk. Condom broke, and you didn’t get the morning after pill, because you didn’t think you needed it? You took a bad gamble and ended up with a child you cant afford to support. Youre a risk.
Im not saying I support or believe the above statement it right, but do you see my point? You make what some people view as bad choices in many different parts of your life and it can screw your credit. You have poor credit, you make poor choices. You don’t think your tires are too bald to drive on, you wreck in the rain, it costs the insurance company because you make bad choices. You don’t check your blind spot switching lanes and wreck. Why don’t you check your blind spot? Because you don’t take every precaution in life. That’s also why you have bad credit. I could do this all day. Again, I don’t agree with it, and I don’t think its right, but that’s how the world works.
[QUOTE=snacktray;159090]You make poor choices with money, you have poor credit, you are a higher risk. You make poor choices with money, then you are a person who makes poor choices in general, thus you are a higher risk. Dont think of it as you being punished for having bad credit, think of it as a reward for those of us who worked our asses off to get good credit.[/QUOTE]
While I agree with that in theory, there are many exceptions.
Big banks made bad financial decisions that included selling fraudulent financial products which crashed the World economy in 2008 and started the Great Recession. We taxpayers bailed out those big banks, but lots of other businesses went under, lots of people lost their investments and their jobs through no fault of their own. The Great Recession left a lot of good people saddled with bad credit. Supposedly, the items on credit reports only last seven to 10 years, but often stay on the reports longer. Just about anyone can obtain a credit report for a small fee on anyone else.
I also recall the big Deepwater Horizon oil spill in about 2010 that also put a lot of mariners out of work, but put some others to work. There were a few hurricanes too.
While it is easy to say, and often correct, that people should plan ahead for the unexpected and build up ample cash reserves just in case, less than 10% of Americans have enough cash reserves to get by for more than a few months.
Those of us who were not too badly affected by the Great Recession or the Deepwater Horizon spill, should consider ourselves very lucky.
[QUOTE=awulfclark;159094]How about the guy who had to decide between paying his mortgage or paying for that emergency surgery for his kid? Not everyone with less than perfect credit is there because of bad financial decisions. Besides which, what THE FUCK does making a financial decision have to do with making a driving decision? Hypothetically, because I bought that computer on Best Buy credit I couldn’t afford, suddenly I’m a guy who speeds excessively, cuts people off, tailgates, texts while driving?
I have no problem whatsover getting a credit card with a limit well into five figures, no problem getting a car loan at the best possible terms, yet a couple years ago my previous car insurance thought my credit report wasn’t good enough for them and jacked my rates up. Nothing more than a money grab by the insurance companies as far as I’m concerend.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. One late car payment can totally trash a FICO score.