Maybe another pipeline cutting story in the making?:
Or maybe not;
Norwegian Coastal Administration’s report on the M/V Belomorye incident:
Nothing said about “near Nyhamna”, or any suspicion about spying.
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That is exactly what little Donald called Helmut is doing behind the back of big Donald and it is not fotoshop. Little Donald was a pet project of sister Angela and she gave him a loving look according to eye witnesses who saw this brave Helmut making fool of himself. Angela is known to be big Donald hater always loving Obama clan. There is more to it but I do not want to poisom this thread with 4 little Chihuahua dogs disgusting politics .
Well according to this source here Russian capt is still valid story and precise targetting of cables with the 180 mtr chain whip with anchor at it’s END.
My God. The training of this chinese captains is really sophisticated and superb.
100 miles ?
Has someone checked out a sebed furrow that long ?
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Latest news in this saga:
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According to some news joints the Chinese Captain was like Indiana Jones who used ship’s 180 mtrs of chain with 11 T anchor at the end of it like a whip , targeting precisely selected important to NATO countries cables . One look at the nautical charts with proper scale reveals there are many obstacles littered on the bottom let alone big and small wrecks . In terms of probability such a stunt is highly unlikely and much less likely then loosing the anchor with part or all chain.
Forgot to add I have found in wiki a german language data regarding Yi Peng 3 and at least two other sites . It is revealed there that her SW summer max draft is 14.15 mtr . Draft reported on AIS is 14.5 mtr. Given the fact that the density of Baltic sea is about 1.005-1.006 I would not be surprised if she is slightly overloaded and this is a valid reason for arresting as technicaly she is not in seaworthy condition 
. But I could be wrong of course .
If the ship had veered 180 metres of cable out it would be looking for a gently shelving seabed to recover it. If the chain had run out the pipe the bitter end would have given one last hurrah before disappearing.
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Have you ever worked on a cable ship? Do you know how they retrieve and/or cut cables?
Is *Yi Peng 3 a cable ship??
- I have not.
- I do not know
So tell me about it
So now You tell me about the difference in anchor equipment , anchor handling equipment , cable handling equipment between specialised , specialy designed vessel and a simple bulk carrier.
I am all ears and ready to learn.
I think i mentioned it here .At least i would try same as per your advise.
I have never lowered the anchor and put it on sea bed below 100 mtrs depth . I am a bit scepticall if on a cargo vessels windlass motors are designed to lift more then 100 mtrs of chain and anchor.
They aren’t. I supervised the supply of new chain and anchor to a vessel who tried to anchor off a pacific island. They paid it out and couldn’t retrieve it.
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I’m loathe to think I have an agreement with spowiednick, but consider being underway for 100mi with an anchor and any significant amount of chain out, enough to touch bottom even intermittently.
What are the forces involved? Not just on the windlass, the brake, the wildcat. What about the hawsepipe? The hull (bilge keel?…fuck, should have paid more attention to Capt JJ Quinn). Every time the anchor bounced or snagged the sea bed? No chafe through or deformation of the forepeak? Should be some obvious damage or stress fatigue somewhere.
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Last time someone dragged an anchor in the Baltic Sea, damaging some cables and a gas pipeline, the news were full of professionals claiming it was simply impossible for a container ship to drag an anchor like that. Then the coast guard fished out the anchor from the seabed next to the damaged pipeline, I found a photograph of the ship sans anchor from a Russian website, and finally China admitted the incident…
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And I am loathe to think I must consider such statement as a great complement on this forum
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Therefore it is prudent while commenting on events not fully investigated to say " I may be wrong or that something is highly likely or unlikely" . The key evidence - lost anchor on the sea bed has not been found yet in the case of Yi Peng 3, hence some forensic study/investigation is a must. Whith out it we will be left with speculations only .
First of the two cables have been repaired:
Don’t know if this has been posted before:
Or if they have changed their mind since this has become headline news.
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Hmmm battle for the least implausable (trying to avoid saying plausable)
Ship accidently drags anchor at great depth for geat distance and accidently snags and cuts two buried cables,
Ship intentionally drags anchor at great depth for great distance and intentionally snags and cuts two buried cables
During a period of conflict.
And the odds are, ,
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Interesting .
" I surmise the ship was dragging its anchor to steady itself because it had a heavy load. This appears to happen frequently in the shipping industry. Anchor dragging is standard procedure in bad weather or if the ship is carrying too much freight in order to prevent capsizing. "
In bad weather i read and heard about paying out some reasonable lenght of chain to steady the vessel heading against the incoming waves. Never had to do it.
Draging anchor with 1.5 dept of water lenght of chain did while maneuvering in port having no bow thruster or assist the M/E in stopping the vessel.
But to prevent capsizing ?? Never heard of that. But we learn as we go.
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The odds are that if a ship dragged it’s anchor over 100 n.miles in that part of the Baltic Sea it would have snagged more than just two cables:
There are various other cables, pipelines, wreck etc. along that route.
Besides, if you drag an anchor in that water depth, over that distance:
- How do you manage to maintain speed of approx. 7 kts. against strong wind, heavy seas?
- Wouldn’t there be clear wear marks on the shipside?
- How do you get the anchor up again without diverting to shallower water?
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It does seem implausible that they dragged anchor for that distance - and even dropping, recovering then dropping and recovering again (to take out a second cable) seems rather far-fetched.
I suspect, however, that one needn’t drop anchor to disrupt a cable on the bottom - a few hundred meters of steel cable and a cutting implement might do it, though I’m not engineer enough to propose specifics - then tip the whole rig overboard after accomplishing the mission.
The severed/damaged cable itself, however, would tell the tale of what did the deed, but even though they’ve repaired it, no one is talking about the nature of the damage?!?
Seems mighty fishy to me.
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