AMO Pension

The United Seamen’s Service (USS) 2010 Admiral of the Ocean Sea Awards (AOTOS) will be presented to [B]Thomas J. Bethel, National President of American Maritime Officers (AMO)[/B] and William A. Pennella, Vice Chairman and Executive Vice President of Crowley Maritime Corporation.

The maritime industry’s most prestigious awards will be presented at a gala industry dinner and dance to be held at the Sheraton New York Hotel and Towers, New York City, on November 12, 2010.

“Tom Bethel and Bill Pennella represent strong leadership in the maritime industry and will be honored for their significant contributions to American seafarers and American commerce,” said Richard Hughes, Chairman of the USS AOTOS Committee and President of the International Longshoremen’s Association, AFL-CIO.

“Notably, both Crowley and AMO, provided much-needed humanitarian relief services to Haiti after January’s devastating earthquake,” he added. “AMO’s response was to man many of the U.S.-flagged vessels. Crowley’s response was to unload Haiti relief cargo containers filled with water and meals in the Dominican Republic to be trucked across the border into Haiti.”

American Maritime Officers (AMO) is affiliated with the Seafarers International Union of North America, AFL-CIO. AMO is one of the nation’s largest unions of U.S. merchant marine officers with contracts covering domestic deep-sea, Great Lakes and inland waters merchant vessels and U.S-flagged ships serving internationally in commercial trades and military support services.

Thomas J. Bethel has served the union in several capacities since coming ashore in 1983, including Executive Vice President, Assistant Vice President, executive board member and representative. He has also served for eight years as senior member of the legislative staff of AMO in Washington, D.C.

Mr. Bethel, a marine engineer, is a specialist in collective bargaining, shipping charters awarded to U.S.-flagged vessel operators by the Maritime Administration and Military Sealift Command, and maritime policy, legislation and regulation.

He has been active in the Delaware Valley and Vicinity, Greater New York and Vicinity and Greater South Florida Maritime Ports Councils of the Maritime Trades Department (AFL-CIO). He is president of the Greater South Florida Maritime Trades Council and is the recipient of awards from the Friend of Seafarers and International House and the Paul Hall Award of Merit from the Maritime Port Council of Greater New York and Vicinity.

Crowley is a 118-year-old privately held family and employee-owned company which provides diversified transportation and logistics services in domestic and international markets by means of six operating lines of business: Puerto Rico/Caribbean Liner Services, Latin America Liner Services, Logistics Services, Petroleum Services, Marine Services and Technical Services.

William A. “Bill” Pennella began his maritime career in 1968 with Sea-Land Service. He held various management positions with Global Terminal and Container Services and United States Lines before joining Crowley in 1987.

Over the past 23 years, Mr. Pennella has continued to lead the growth of Crowley Maritime Corp. through his positions as Vice Chairman and Executive Vice President. As a member of the company’s board of directors, he has been instrumental in the acquisition of several Crowley subsidiaries including Titan Salvage, Jensen Maritime Consultants, Customized Brokers and Marine Transport Lines. With a background in Human Resources and labor relations, Pennella has directed the company in its goal of being a “Great Place to Work” and has been instrumental in implementing a company wide safety and wellness program to further employee retention and productivity.

Mr. Pennella is a graduate of Rutgers University with degrees in Psychology and Business and is currently a member of the Advisory Board for The United States Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point.

In addition to the two recipients, other honorees will include the American maritime unions who will be presented with plaques recognizing their collective extraordinary response to the Haitian disaster.

For AOTOS 2010, Michael Sacco, President of the Seafarers International Union, is Dinner Chairman. S. Anthony Naccarato of Crowley Maritime Corporation and Samuel B. Nemirow will be serving as National Committee Co-Chairmen. Other committee members and chairmanships will be announced soon.

All proceeds from the AOTOS event benefit USS community services abroad for the U.S. merchant marine and those of other free world countries. The recipients will share the evening with a group of American seafarers who will be honored for acts of bravery at sea.

USS continues to provide community services for the U.S. Merchant Marine, the American Armed Forces, and seafarers of the world. USS, a non-profit agency established in 1942, operates centers in eight foreign ports in Europe, Asia, and Africa and in the Indian Ocean, and also provides seagoing libraries to American vessels through its affiliate, the American Merchant Marine Library Association.

This is a travesty.

This is a really bad joke.

I believe it is appropriate to flood the offices of USS and Crowley with letters expressing just how grateful all of us are for AMO’s “significant contributions to American seafarers.”

Even those of us who don’t consider AMO a union have been harmed by the actions and corrupt influence of its leadership. This truly is a travesty. It is a disgusting example of the power of greasing the palms of politicians and those who make a living through celebrity.

Visit the USS website, leave a message on the “contact us” page and also have a look at the page listing the board members. They will probably be unpleasantly surprised to find out who they have agreed to honor. Let them know just how much AMO leadership has done for you, an American seafarer.

Renee S Acosta
President and CEO
United Seamens Service Inc.
635 4th Ave
Brooklyn, New York 11232

718.369.3818
http://unitedseamensservice.org/

Not to add salt to our wound but it came out at one of the “informational meetings” by the world famous spin doctors, that the plans people are receiving 100% rehabilitation plan pension contributions as we speak, in fact since the beginning of the year, they never missed a beat. While the sailing membership who makes the $ for this “union” gets NOTHING for 2010. Why at these meeting in thier polished presentations do they not offer up these facts? We have to pry it out of them and then Bethel throws a fit. They NEVER tell the whole truth NEVER. They spin it every thing they say is a half truth or should we say a half LIE. Have they ever come out and admitted they get matching 401k’s? Do they ever take responsibility for anything? What about the recent article in the Politico newspaper that called AMO out on filing the same report concerning the political action fund for the past 10 years. We need to dig deeper we need to get involved we need to stand up now is the time to finally have a Union for the membership (including plans) not a union for the companies which we have now.

I agree it is good to see people chiming in Pensionless but we also need to get the word out about this thread. I pass the link to all my friends currently sailing with the AMO and encourage them to also add their 2 cents. We need to advance this issue before the election or all is lost. People need to mull these remarks before placing their ballot! Also the election has finally been announced but who is running against the people currently elected? Without the AMO newspaper to promote their ticket and platform where do they plan on discussing their ideas?

This is so true and it is one if not the biggest obstacles facing the membership if they finally want to get rid of the McKay/Bethel mentality LETS GET THE WORD OUT, any suggestions on how would be greatly appreciated but I think networking is key. Just start passing the word about websites and forward info on to AMO members, we can throw these bums to the curve.

I am staying long enough to vote this fall, taking my monthly, going to MEBA then filing a lawsuit in that order.
VOTE OUT ALL BUYOUT AMO OFFICIALS

Sounds like a plan pensionless mind if I tag along?

Listen there is an ANSWER like Pensionless has mentioned many times but we need everyone’s help go to youramc.org and GET INVOLVED. You know I don’t blame the McKays and Bethel I blame the apathy of this membership we have set on our hands until are arms go numb, WTF, forward this info to any member you know, these decisions can get reversed. I know for a fact we will have honest and experienced leadership going up against Bethel’s Boobs; but stand by; the administration will try and screw them at every turn. At a recent informational meeting in Hampton Va I asked Bethel why can’t we have a fair election and let all those running use the union newspaper to put their opinions out. He looked at me and said “Fuck NO, that is MY Newspaper!”

People need to be careful with the “vote everyone out” mentality without even knowing who is running against the incumbents. If this attitude would have prevailed in the 1990’s, I don’t believe AMO would exist today. There were several people running in the 1990s with direct ties to, and possibly funded by, MEBA.

In the last AMO election, a disgruntled ex-AMO official, and an employer, were both caught posting on message boards in an effort to stir up the pot, and cause disenfranchisement within the union. Both of these things were documented after the election was over.

Although I have no reason to believe any of the posters here are not genuine, I’m just saying you have to take everything with a grain of salt. Some posters here would lead you to believe that AMO is the only union in the country with a “critical” pension plan, when in fact 26% of the plans in the U.S. are in the same boat, including the MM&P Pension Plan, but, surprisingly, the MM&P Plan has not been mentioned on this thread.

As for going over to MEBA, I would be very hesitant. They are not without problems. The MEBA pension plan was just served with a class action suit brought on by a group of their own members.

Well said. All these guys talking about jumping ship to MM&P or MEBA should be ready to sit it out in one of their hiring halls for a long long time. The MM&P Pension Plan is even deeper in the red. The MEBA Plan has a big bill coming. Speaking of MEBA, ask around about the lawsuit and what happened to all those Interlake guys looking to retire.

Instead of turning this thread into a “Jump Ship to MMP or MEBA” thread lets focus on dealing with the AMO pension and how best to go about fixing it. As I’ve stated before and others have also we need to push this as THE MAJOR ISSUE of THIS ELECTION. One of two things will happen…the opposition will gain traction OR the current crowd will start to buckle to something that is FAIRER for all involved. Mainiac states:

Not to add salt to our wound but it came out at one of the “informational meetings” by the world famous spin doctors, that the plans people are receiving 100% rehabilitation plan pension contributions as we speak, in fact since the beginning of the year, they never missed a beat. While the sailing membership who makes the $ for this “union” gets NOTHING for 2010. Why at these meeting in thier polished presentations do they not offer up these facts? We have to pry it out of them and then Bethel throws a fit. They NEVER tell the whole truth NEVER. They spin it every thing they say is a half truth or should we say a half LIE. Have they ever come out and admitted they get matching 401k’s? Do they ever take responsibility for anything? What about the recent article in the Politico newspaper that called AMO out on filing the same report concerning the political action fund for the past 10 years. We need to dig deeper we need to get involved we need to stand up now is the time to finally have a Union for the membership (including plans) not a union for the companies which we have now.

If true this is major…why should WE shoulder the pain while the chumps that said everything was fine until it was too late continue to get contributions? I want to sit in the 10 million dollar building collecting full contributions and matching 401-ks, go home to see my family daily and sit by the pool in Dania instead of shipping out four months at a pop for a pension that has been reduced to pennies on the dollar. You got to love the added caviot of no COLA on that pension IF and when you get it. A pension worth $1500 today will be worth a lot less in future dollars when you can finally collect it (While the people who pulled the trigger already will have pensions adjusted for inflation the rest of their lives!) We need to keep pushing for all those with the buyout must start at ground zero again, time in the union and age should not contribute to a higher percentage for those who got a buyout while all those who did not continue to creep on with lowly numbers. Bump the buyout people into off the board shipping, no cushy C/E and Capt positions that they will NEVER give up thus clogging the system of younger guys trying to bump up their retirement numbers. You want to work then you can walk the decks and turn valves like the rest of us.

Lets stay focused on THIS issue and THIS election for THIS thread together we can make change happen!

Has “Your AMC” website started updating candidates and issues for the election yet? Any other ideas on getting the word out? Facebook, Myspace, Alumni pages etc?

Don’t count on the AMO newspaper to update the masses on who is on the ballot, they just keep talking about how Bethel got some award to keep his name on people minds. They will also quickly point out that all campain stuff is not permitted in the offical rag…

Any comments on the AMO Currents posted on 6 July from Steve Nickerson? The leadership is head strong on keeping this fair and ballanced new system tilted towards those who got their buyouts!

Has the AMC website started pumping out bios for the people who plan on running against our fearless 400k a year leaders?

Tom Bethel stood before us at the recent video confrence (2 months ago) and gave us his word that the members that took the buyout would not be recieving a second pension "you have my word I will not let this happen"
Well here is the latest news from AMO currents

The following article addresses the most frequently asked questions
about
the AMO Pension Plan and the new AMO Defined Contribution Plan during
recent
shipboard visits by AMO officials and me and during the recently
concluded
informational AMO membership meetings in East, Gulf and West Coast
ports.
It is important to note before reading these questions and answers
that
the AMO Pension Plan and the AMO Defined Contribution Plan are
completely
separate retirement benefit plans established and administered under
separate Declarations of Trust. The only features that the two plans
have in
common are that the active participants (deep-sea, Great Lakes and
inland
waters AMO members) are the same, and earned credits are based on years
of
service.
We are in transition from the traditional defined benefit AMO
Pension
Plan to the AMO Defined Contribution Plan, which complements and more
closely resembles the AMO 401(k) Plan and the AMO Pension Plan Money
Purchase Benefit. The AMO Defined Contribution Plan is completely
portable -
AMO members who change jobs within AMO or who withdraw from AMO
membership
and find employment elsewhere take their AMO Defined Contribution Plan
account balances with them.
Once the AMO Pension Plan is fully funded and out of the "red zone"
as
defined by the Pension protection Act of 2006, active AMO members will
be
able to convert the cumulative value of benefits earned under the AMO
Pension Plan through December 2009 into a lump sum that can be rolled
over
into their AMO Defined Contribution Plan accounts, or they can opt for
the
monthly benefit from the AMO Pension Plan when they choose to retire.
Please note as well that there is no longer a requirement that AMO
members file for benefits from the AMO Pension Plan by December 31,
2010,
and that AMO members can continue to retire after 20 years of service if
they choose to do so - with no reduction of benefits earned as of
December
31, 2009.

Steve Nickerson
Executive Director
AMO Plans

Why were AMO members not given the opportunity to vote on the AMO
Pension
Plan rehabilitation strategy?

Under federal law, the joint union-employer trustees of all single or
multiemployer defined benefit pension plans have exclusive authority to
govern these plans. These trustees cannot allow plan participants to set
plan policy through referenda, petition or any other means.
The trustees also bear the exclusive risk of liability - allowing
plan
participants to vote on any matter arising from the administration of
any
retirement plan could result in lawsuits filed by individuals whose
votes
were not among the majority. With or without merit, civil cases charging
breach of fiduciary responsibility in any retirement plan - failure to
manage the plan responsibly - could delay efforts to stabilize the plan
and
result in significant but unnecessary legal expense for all parties.

How can AMO members find out who the trustees of the AMO Pension Plan
are?

The trustees of the AMO benefit funds are identified on the AMO Plans
Web
site at http://www.amoplans.com. AMO members can log in to the Plans
site
directly, or they can link to it through the official AMO Web site at
http://www.amo-union.org.
The AMO Plans trustees are also identified in Summary Plan
Descriptions
available from AMO Plans.

How are the defined benefit AMO Pension Plan and the AMO Defined
Contribution Plan funded?

Both plans are funded entirely by deep-sea, Great Lakes and inland
waters
merchant vessel operating companies that have collective bargaining
agreements with American Maritime Officers.
Under current collective bargaining agreements, all employer
contributions to the AMO Pension Plan will continue at the agreed upon
rates. These contributions are paid not in the names of individual plan
participants, but for each deep-sea, Great Lakes and inland waters job,
or
billet - including billets filled by AMO members who have received
in-service lump-sum benefit distributions from the defined benefit AMO
Pension Plan.
When the AMO Defined Contribution Plan begins union-wide in January
2011, some of the money contributed by AMO employers to other AMO
benefit
funds (with the exception of the defined benefit AMO Pension Plan) will
be
allocated to the individual personalized retirement accounts established
under the AMO Defined Contribution Plan as allowed for by law and in
accordance with AMO collective bargaining agreements.
These allocations - which will not result in reduction or loss of
any
other benefits for AMO families, including medical coverage - will be
routed
through an Allocation Committee comprised of trustees conferring with
actuaries and legal counsel.
The initial formula for funding the new individual retirement
accounts
will be Schedule 1. Once the defined benefit AMO Pension Plan is fully
funded, all of the employer contributions now made to the AMO Pension
Plan
will go directly and exclusively to the AMO Defined Contribution Plan
under
Schedule 2.
Schedule 1 and Schedule 2 are posted on the AMO Plans Web site at
http://www.amoplans.com/DC-Schedules.pdf.

Why are AMO members who received in-service lump-sum benefits from the
AMO
Pension Plan entitled to benefits under the AMO Defined Contribution
Plan?

The AMO Defined Contribution Plan is a new benefit fund established
under a
trust agreement separate and apart from that which created the defined
benefit AMO Pension Plan nearly 60 years ago. As such, the AMO Defined
Contribution Plan covers all active deep-sea, Great Lakes and inland
waters
AMO members and applicants for membership, and funding is based on age
and
years of service.
Moreover, the AMO Defined Contribution Plan cannot even appear to
discriminate against individuals who received in-service lump sum
benefits
from the AMO Pension Plan and who remain at work under AMO contract. To
avoid this difficulty and possible complications involving the Internal
Revenue Service and other federal authorities, the AMO Defined
Contribution
Plan covers everyone working under AMO contract.
Many AMO members who received in-service lump-sum pension benefits
before this option was eliminated in October 2009 have since retired -
that
is, withdrawn permanently from the industry. Given the average age of
current active in-service lump-sum benefit recipients, many more are
expected to actually retire in the next few years.

Why did the AMO Pension Plan allow in-service lump sum benefit
distributions
to continue when it became clear that the fund would become deficient?

The in-service lump sum benefit distribution option was available under
the
AMO Pension Plan for many years. It was an established benefit that many
AMO
members took appropriate advantage of.
Under federal law, the trustees of defined benefit retirement plans
can
alter projected benefits, but they cannot eliminate, reduce or otherwise
modify established benefit options or retirement income already earned.
The
only choice available legally to the trustees of the AMO Pension Plan
under
these circumstances was to end all lump-sum pension payouts as of
October 1,
2009 - the date the plan’s actuaries certified the AMO Pension Plan to
be in
the “red zone” as defined in the Pension Protection Act of 2006. The
Pension
Protection Act prohibits lump sum benefit distribution by "red zone"
retirement plans.

Do AMO members who received in-service lump sum pension benefits stand
to
gain the most from the AMO Defined Contribution Plan?

It may appear that way to some, but the fact is that in-service lump sum
recipients are, on average, approaching actual retirement. Because these
individuals will participate in the new plan for relatively brief
periods,
they will earn less in employer contributions, compound interest and
investment income from the AMO Defined Contribution Plan than younger
individuals beginning their careers or than individuals whose ages and
service time fall somewhere in the middle.

Will AMO members whose earned AMO Pension Plan benefits were frozen on
December 31, 2009 be permitted to roll their defined benefit value into
their AMO Defined Contribution Plan accounts?

Once the defined benefit AMO Pension Plan is fully funded under the
rehabilitation strategy, all active AMO members who had earned benefits
from
this plan as of December 31, 2009 will be allowed to choose between
rolling
their defined benefit values into their AMO Defined Contribution Plan
accounts in a lump sum or collecting the defined benefits monthly upon
retirement.
The AMO Pension Plan recently provided each active AMO member with
detailed notice stating the value of his or her earned monthly benefit
as of
December 31, 2009. AMO members who did not receive such notice are urged
to
contact the AMO Pension Plan immediately.
The AMO Pension Plan soon will provide each active AMO member with a
statement declaring the projected value of his or her monthly benefit as
of
December 31, 2009 if taken as a lump sum for the purpose of rolling the
money over into his or her individual AMO Defined Contribution Plan
account.
This projected value will be based on interest rate assumptions and
individual age at the rollover point.
The AMO Pension Plan also intends to provide each active AMO member
with
the projected value of his or her AMO Defined Contribution Plan account
balances under a formula combining interest earning assumptions and
estimated years of future employment.
These initiatives involve the age and employment and wage histories
of
more than 3,000 individuals, but the AMO Pension Plan will make every
effort
to complete both by the start of the next fiscal year on October 1,
2010.

When can AMO members expect the defined benefit AMO Pension Plan to
become
fully funded?

The AMO Pension Plan’s actuaries say the plan can be fully funded in at
least seven years, but this depends on the Plan’s investment earnings -
it
could take less time or more.

What will happen once the AMO Pension Plan is fully funded?

The AMO Defined Contribution Plan’s Schedule 2 will be applied, and
employer
contributions now going to the AMO Pension Plan will go the AMO Defined
Contribution Plan.
AMO members will have the option of rolling their frozen defined
benefit
values into their individual AMO Defined Contribution Plan accounts in
lump
sums OR receiving monthly benefits when they retire by choice.
Individuals who choose to add their defined benefit values as lump
sums
to their Defined Contribution accounts will have these enhanced
balances,
AMO Pension Plan Money Purchase Benefit distributions and AMO 401 (k)
accounts for security during retirement.
Individuals who choose earned but frozen monthly benefits at
retirement
will have these annuities and their AMO Defined Contribution Plan, AMO
Pension Plan Money Purchase Benefit and AMO 401(k) Plan accounts for
retirement income. #

HE Lied to us again go figure

in a past AMO currents Tom posted his personal phone number I can not find that eddition anywhere on my ship now if one of you have that article with his number would you please post it I would like to give him a call and tell him to start packing his crap because we have had enough.

Do AMO members who received in-service lump sum pension benefits stand
to
gain the most from the AMO Defined Contribution Plan?

It may appear that way to some, but the fact is that in-service lump sum
recipients are, on average, approaching actual retirement. Because these
individuals will participate in the new plan for relatively brief
periods,
they will earn less in employer contributions, compound interest and
investment income from the AMO Defined Contribution Plan than younger
individuals beginning their careers or than individuals whose ages and
service time fall somewhere in the middle.

ARE WE GOING TO GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHANCE TO SCREW US AND CHANGE THE RULES?
“It may appear that way to some” BS IT IS THAT WAY DONT BE NIEVE

One way to equalize this would be to “reset” all those with a buyout to zero years service after the buyout. Otherwise a guy with 20 plus years service and a higher age will get the lions share contribution in the new scheme. This would also help people “Move along” if they don’t feel they are getting a major second pension build up.

I love the following line “Many AMO members who received in-service lump-sum pension benefits before this option was eliminated in October 2009 have since retired -that is, withdrawn permanently from the industry. Given the average age of current active in-service lump-sum benefit recipients, many more are expected to actually retire in the next few years.” Funny but I can name a number of guys who we all thought would have retired long ago since they drew a buyout in the late '90’s and are still clogging top positions which will yield the highest contribuions in this new scheme! Another way to equalize this is to force all “Buyout” people to ship off the board, permanent positions should only be offered to those that are still working towards retirement and getting the short end of this BS stick!

Along with the '90’s Buyout guys there is a new generation of Buyout people who will continue to ride the wave and collect the lions share of contributions as their big buyouts gain interest invested safe away from the union’s grubby hands…do you honestly think there will be any incentive for them to give up the top slots and biggest contributions so you might beef up any hopes of a decent retirment? Rotary shipping off the board for all buyout people!!! It is fair, you can still work and collect a check but you won’t log jam those who did not get their slice of the pie. Don’t tell me they are above turning valves or walking the deck like the rest of us!

At the end of the day if we want to see ANY progress on this issue we need to change out leadership. The current leadership ALL have “Buyouts” so it is in their BEST interest to stack this deal in their favor…years of service and age, permanent positions for their buyout buddies etc etc etc

The AMO Defined Contribution Plan is a new benefit fund established
under a
trust agreement separate and apart from that which created the defined
benefit AMO Pension Plan nearly 60 years ago. As such, the AMO Defined
Contribution Plan covers all active deep-sea, Great Lakes and inland
waters
AMO members and applicants for membership, and funding is based on age
and
years of service.
Moreover, the AMO Defined Contribution Plan cannot even appear to
discriminate against individuals who received in-service lump sum
benefits
from the AMO Pension Plan and who remain at work under AMO contract. To
avoid this difficulty and possible complications involving the Internal
Revenue Service and other federal authorities, the AMO Defined
Contribution
Plan covers everyone working under AMO contract.
Many AMO members who received in-service lump-sum pension benefits
before this option was eliminated in October 2009 have since retired -
that
is, withdrawn permanently from the industry. Given the average age of
current active in-service lump-sum benefit recipients, many more are
expected to actually retire in the next few years. How many people do you know that are still working after drawing a buyout beyond 10 years ago???
“Expected” is a total BS fantasy so the rest of us will have to work well beyond 20 years service to actually benifit from the higher contribution levels the top slots provide since we’ll have to wait for the “Next few years” to pass

Why did the AMO Pension Plan allow in-service lump sum benefit
distributions
to continue when it became clear that the fund would become deficient? Someone in the leadership must not have had enough time in to draw until just before the 1 October 2009 deadline!

The in-service lump sum benefit distribution option was available under
the
AMO Pension Plan for many years. It was an established benefit that many
AMO
members took appropriate advantage of.
Under federal law, the trustees of defined benefit retirement plans
can
alter projected benefits, but they cannot eliminate, reduce or otherwise
modify established benefit options or retirement income already earned.
The
only choice available legally to the trustees of the AMO Pension Plan
under
these circumstances was to end all lump-sum pension payouts as of
October 1,
2009 - the date the plan’s actuaries certified the AMO Pension Plan to
be in
the “red zone” as defined in the Pension Protection Act of 2006. The
Pension
Protection Act prohibits lump sum benefit distribution by "red zone"
retirement plans.

Do AMO members who received in-service lump sum pension benefits stand
to
gain the most from the AMO Defined Contribution Plan?

It may appear that way to some, but the fact is that in-service lump sum
recipients are, on average, approaching actual retirement. Because these
individuals will participate in the new plan for relatively brief
periods,
they will earn less in employer contributions, compound interest and
investment income from the AMO Defined Contribution Plan than younger
individuals beginning their careers or than individuals whose ages and
service time fall somewhere in the middle. Simple Math Age and years of service equals higher percentage which equals these people hanging in there longer thus keeping those who did not get a buyout working longer in positions that contribute less!
lose lose lose situation for all but the buyout people! Reset years of service to zero after a buyout and see how long they stick around and clog the top slots

Will AMO members whose earned AMO Pension Plan benefits were frozen on
December 31, 2009 be permitted to roll their defined benefit value into
their AMO Defined Contribution Plan accounts?

Once the defined benefit AMO Pension Plan is fully funded under the
rehabilitation strategy, all active AMO members who had earned benefits
from
this plan as of December 31, 2009 will be allowed to choose between
rolling
their defined benefit values into their AMO Defined Contribution Plan
accounts in a lump sum or collecting the defined benefits monthly upon
retirement.
The AMO Pension Plan recently provided each active AMO member with
detailed notice stating the value of his or her earned monthly benefit
as of
December 31, 2009. AMO members who did not receive such notice are urged
to
contact the AMO Pension Plan immediately.
The AMO Pension Plan soon will provide each active AMO member with a
statement declaring the projected value of his or her monthly benefit as
of
December 31, 2009 if taken as a lump sum for the purpose of rolling the
money over into his or her individual AMO Defined Contribution Plan
account.
This projected value will be based on interest rate assumptions and
individual age at the rollover point.
The AMO Pension Plan also intends to provide each active AMO member
with
the projected value of his or her AMO Defined Contribution Plan account
balances under a formula combining interest earning assumptions and
estimated years of future employment.
These initiatives involve the age and employment and wage histories
of
more than 3,000 individuals, but the AMO Pension Plan will make every
effort
to complete both by the start of the next fiscal year on October 1,
2010. With over ten years service in positions not at the top my “Lump Sum” will equal chump change…makes me want to puke thinkng about it. Remember the monthly they are offering all us losers is set at what you would have got in 2009 with NO ADDITIONAL increases for inflation or cost of living adjustments so when you draw this monthly in lets say 2020 your monthly 2009 dollar rate will buy you A LOT LESS then what it did in 2009!

[COLOR=red]Change LEADERSHIP with this election in order to get a fairer deal !
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[QUOTE=buyout & getout;39255]Tom Bethel stood before us at the recent video confrence (2 months ago) and gave us his word that the members that took the buyout would not be recieving a second pension “you have my word I will not let this happen”

HE Lied to us again go figure

in a past AMO currents Tom posted his personal phone number I can not find that eddition anywhere on my ship now if one of you have that article with his number would you please post it I would like to give him a call and tell him to start packing his crap because we have had enough.[/QUOTE]

The lies will continue until there is change with this election!

What really is a kick to the you-know-where, is during all the changes to the pension plan, from the first acknowledgment of trouble, to the current day, not once has Tugboat Tommy offered his apologies for allowing this to happen.

Has anyone heard him say “I’m sorry?”

I don’t want to hear about how he did not personally cause the downfall - the union always blames it on the market downturn - but it happened on his watch. Why was the plan so leveraged that a market hiccup can destroy the one good thing the union was known for? AMO was never known for it’s good wages, nor for it’s good contracts, but it WAS known for the 20-and-out option. An option that, if you saved some of your hard-earned money while working and made good life choices, was sufficient to retire.

Hopefully the AMC slate is reading this. Please get your campaign materials out! Utilize the internet and interact with us members. This election is very reminiscent of Jesse Ventura’s run for Minnesota governor…the older (buyout and senior crowd) is happy with the current status and the people they know, but the youth (anyone with less than 20 years service) wants change. This will not be a blow-out election. While you have my vote, you have the unenviable job of convincing the older membership that this administration is not good. To them, it’s great! Trust me, I work with this buyout group and it’s amazing listening to them not care one bit about people like me who were screwed. Jesse Ventura did it, so can you.

On a side note, last month’s newspaper showed Tugboat Tommy with crutches. I actually thought somebody went Tanya Harding on him…

I agree with the above. Just sitting in the mess and listening to the conversations you can quickly tell who has a buyout and who does not! For the Approx. 25% of us with the buyout (Which Tugboat Tommy says will steadily exit the industry…LOL) nothing could be better then what the current crew is offering…a chance at a second build up of retirement wages with the highest contribution levels…such great encouragement to move on! It is sad to hear the status quo mentality and we need to make efforts to promote what the challengers have to offer on the AMC slate. [B]The AMC needs to play to the 75% of the union that has nothing to gain from the horrible leadership currently in place and to get that word out ASAP. Of course it is everyones responsibility to help SPREAD the word![/B]

There will be those who will have the “Follow the Goon” mentality because they feel the union is doing fine or are intimidated and of course most of the buyout crowd will vote for this wonderful "[B]Benefit Us 1st[/B] " current administration but the numbers of “Have Nots” must far outweigh the “Haves” in this election. If the current administration feels the heat of this topic before the election then there might be a chance of even getting them to alter course (Don’t hold your breath!) as in the end I’m sure they will say anything to keep in office.

[B]I’ve said this before and will again…tell all your AMO friends about this link and discussion…It is the most important issue in this election! Just looking at the forum and “Views” I can tell this is getting around with over 5000 “Views” (Compare with other topics and how often they have been viewed!) at this point but we could use more inputs on the issue both constructive and critical…time to bring this to the forefront of the campaign and alter course away from the additional benefiting of those that have already got the biggest part of the retirement action![/B]

Click on the link below to see the list of candidates. It would be informative for anyone to pipe in their dealings with the people listed both positive and negative. Also lets get the word out on this…maybe we can change the direction in which our pension is heading!

http://www.youramc.org/updates/AMC-Candidate-Announcement.php

I know many of the AMC members all outstanding people whom would represent us (instead of the companies) well.