To be fair, it was just over half, and nearly all of them were junior mates.
MMP is the ex who cheated on us. So, no, I donāt wish them well. Particularly with regard to the OSG/ATC matesā¦I hope that crashes and burns in spectacular fashion. Both for MMPs and OSG matesā sake.
First couple dates with AMO seem to be going wellā¦
I donāt understand this; cheated on you how? How do you feel cheated that ATC/OSG mates themselves, reached out to MMP and said āhey, weād rather have you if this is gonna happenāā¦to which MMP obliged. Do workers not have a right to chose who represents them? I guess not according to youā¦unless I am misunderstanding this?
I still donāt see your logic; how do you feel wronged to the point you passionately dislike MMP? It seems irrational for a regular old seagoing employee to be that
pissed off about it.
Once again, I will reiterate my suspicion that I am beginning to think some of you guys are indeed shoreside higher ups either in a union or in a company.
Yes they did, and yes they did. They both chose their bed, so go fucking lie in it. As I said before (and enjoy reiterating) I hope it fails spectacularly for both parties.
Tbh, if we can look back on this as the event that drove us away from MMP and towards AMO Iāll say it was well worth it.
Iām not really in the know on all the MMP stuff, but to me it looks like AMO-MEBA are working well enough together to the benefit of our sailors. Isnāt that what our unions should be doing? It seems like MMP didnāt want to work together with other unions?
What good are unions if they undermine each other? We need all the unions working together and eventually unifying. If MMP is against that they can get bent.
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Once again, you have not accurately explained how you justify being so upset over the issue. A group of employees themselves reached out to MMP and said they want to be represented by MMP, not MEBA.
Am I correct in assuming you think MMP should have told the ATC/OSG people to pound sand because MEBA was already involved? Itās unfair to MEBA? Well would that have been fair for the workers? If the workerās voice isnāt supposed to be the dominant factor in a unionization process, then what is?
In other words, screw what the workers themselves want and donāt listen to the voice of the workers. Workers wanted MMP on the ballotā¦mmp should have said sorry canāt do it?
These arenāt supposed to be crewing agencies. These are supposed to be organizations elected by the workers to represent them for their rights. The workers contacted MMP, said they want MMP, and eventually voted for MMP.
I look forward to your explanation/reply, but we should also get back on topic with APL/Osprey. I am sorry if we digressed a little too much. Just canāt see how itās justified to get upset at MMP.
The topic is MEBA and AMO scored a huge win for their members with these new US Flag vessels with APL/ Osprey. This is new tonnage - I donāt see how itās justified that people in MMP are upset. Take it up with your administration.
MMP is upset but alone they wouldnāt be able to crew the vessels anyway.
Osprey is AMO top to bottom so working with MEBA was a smart and logical move. Iāve always said MEBA-AMO would be way more beneficial than an MEBA-MMP relationship. The MEBA- AMO relationship is paying off and leading to more jobs for both Unions!
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Reviewing the various gCaptain threads regarding unions and ocean contracts, I am providing one marinerās take on the situation we find ourselves.
Our situation is similar to John Mc Pheeās 1990 book āLooking for a Shipā where he identifies the reality of finding employment in a declining oceangoing US Merchant Fleet. Fast forward to today, we find the past is still the reality of the moment, where various maritime unions are avoided the competitive exclusion principle.
Simply, they are competing for the same limited resources of a declining US merchant fleet where they cannot coexist indefinitely. Eventually, the competition will eliminate one if not more of them. Especially if the nation does not address the issues and elements surrounding the needs and the future potential of a US merchant marine. By not addressing the problems of ships, manning, international and national regulatory requirements; the nation can only stand by and watch the eventual total decline of our oceangoing rapid response capabilities.
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Very wise thinking. I once thought a merger of MMP and MEBA was the right way, because historically we were āsiblingā organizations. Then, over a beer, a wise man told me, āNo fucking way, MMP is full of and run by matesā¦think about every ship youāve been on and who thinks they know everything and always gets the final say and āfuck you, I got mineāā. LOL, such a great teacher, he was.
Doesnāt MMP let retirees vote? WTF?!?
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20 years and I have yet to see or experience a ship like that. He just sounds like a classic case of ādeck vs. engineā asshole to me. 
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And that attitude has been seen by some of the mate posters on this and the other thread as well.
Iāve heard that too but I have no clue if thatās true. If it is- yes thatās messed up. Itās probably whatās holding them back from improving their situation.
The deck v engine seems to be more prevalent of vessels with different Unions or non Union and Union. But thatās all hearsay to me. I will say there is always assholes on a ship and lifeās too short so find a ship where you fit.
Thatās what I was getting at. You get deck officers who bitch that everything is broken and it has to be fixed day before yesterday and itās the slackers in the pit who canāt/wonāt move ass to do itā¦ and on the flip side Iāve had engineers who introduce themselves with openers like āI donāt like deckiesā and then proceed to attempt to issue letters of warning to deck officers like thatās within their power.
Think Iāve ever only seen thatā¦ twice?? And both times the characters involved had poor reputations. It had nothing to do with what union they were in. On just about every vessel Iāve ever been on (save for the Kensington) everyone has gotten along well. So remarks like the above (if actually said/real and not a fabrication of the poster) go straight into the trash bin along with the credibility of the āprofessionalā uttering themā deck or engine.
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