[QUOTE=Steamer;155141]IN not OF … there is a difference.[/QUOTE]
you are correct Steamer but in the end I am nothing more than just another working American mariner. More opinionated than most of my brothers or at least more willing to voice those publicly. I certainly know my views expressed here are read by the Joe Bosses of the industry and I can well imagine there is a price on my head out there. I’ve been told by the gCaptain staff that they have been pressured at times to divulge my identity to a certain alumni association of a certain Federal maritime academy to they could take steps to silence my criticism of their highly over rated school but the site owners flatly refuse to give out the identity of any member here which I cannot thank them for enough because once anonymity is stripped of us, the ability to speak openly and candidly is destroyed and with it the value of this forum would plummet to all of us. I am further grateful to those of my fellow members who do know my real name (of which there are plenty) and have not made it public even when those persons disagree with or are angered by my words. I want to believe that they have enough respect for the man behind the words but more so, know that to out any of us will be the end of the frank and open conversation in this forum. I do not know if such anonymous forums exist in say the airline industry but I believe this here is the very best advent to come to our unique industry ever!
[QUOTE=Tugboater203;155140]I came up with this info in a Whois search:
Admin City: Lewes
Admin State/Province: DE
Admin Postal Code: 19958
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: 302-344-2858
Admin Phone Ext:*
Admin Fax:*
Admin Fax Ext:*
Admin Email: jackhearn7@gmail.com
Registry Tech ID:*
Tech Name: American Professinoal Mariners Association
Tech Organization: American Professinoal Mariners Association
Tech Street: 8 DeBraak Landing
Tech City: Lewes
Tech State/Province: DE
Tech Postal Code: 19958
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: 302-344-2858
Tech Phone Ext:*
Tech Fax:*
Tech Fax Ext:*
Tech Email: jackhearn7@gmail.com
Name Server: NS.BLUEWATERDNS.COM
Name Server: NS2.BLUEWATERDNS.COM
DNSSEC: Unsigned
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: Wed Feb 18 17:04:24 EST 2015 <<<[/QUOTE]
Wonder if they are making contributions to their own non-profit and deducting those “charitable” contributions from their taxes? This outfit doesn’t come close to passing the smell test. Incorporated In Delaware raises all manner of suspicion also. Delaware is a well known harbor for nefarious “corporations”.
[QUOTE=tengineer1;155163]Wonder if they are making contributions to their own non-profit and deducting those “charitable” contributions from their taxes? This outfit doesn’t come close to passing the smell test. Incorporated In Delaware raises all manner of suspicion also. Delaware is a well known harbor for nefarious “corporations”.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zep;155165]Pretty sure the guy lives in Delaware.[/QUOTE]trust this APMA
Perhaps he does but Delaware has a reputation for being “corporate” friendly. I really wonder about this group as they have guys on their board listed as “master mariner”. What in the world are they calling a “master mariner”? The only people I have heard referred to as master mariner were people that have a master and chief license, precious few of them. I would not trust this APMA with a penny I owed someone else unless they are more forthcoming with information, which they seem to be hesitant to do. Their silence is speaking for them.
Perhaps he does but Delaware has a reputation for being “corporate” friendly. I really wonder about this group as they have guys on their board listed as “master mariner”. What in the world are they calling a “master mariner”? The only people I have heard referred to as master mariner were people that have a master and chief license, precious few of them. I would not trust this APMA with a penny I owed someone else unless they are more forthcoming with information, which they seem to be hesitant to do. Their silence is speaking for them.[/QUOTE]
If the guy lives in Delaware should he incorporate in another state? You cant fault him for living in a state that is “corporate” friendly, over half of the fortune 500 companies incorporate in Delaware. So what should he have done? Gone to another state? Then you’d be asking “what kind of idiot would leave Delaware?”
It really seems like a lot of guys are fishing for any reason they can find to talk shit on these guys. Your argument isnt valid, youre really giving them crap for calling themselves master mariners? They all seemed like that had a ton of experience to me. Last I checked the captain was usually referred to as the “master” of the vessel. Why now all of the sudden do you have to have dual licenses to be a master?
Im sorry but it just seems like this is a witch hunt based on nothing but a personal gripe against the guys who started the website. If you dont like the site nobodys forcing you to go on it. The terms on conditions say the website been around since mid November so its 3 months old. So maybe instead of throwing the baby off the cliff give it a chance to grow, see what it turns into. Who knows, maybe it’ll suck but maybe it wont.
And honestly, did you think they come on here and get into a debate with you guys? If you’ve got questions I’m pretty sure there’s an email address on there. You might have to tell them your real name though…
And just to clarify for C-capt, cause I know its coming, I do not work for them. But go ahead, call bullshit.
[QUOTE=Zep;155169]And just to clarify for C-capt, cause I know its coming, I do not work for them. But go ahead, call bullshit.[/QUOTE]
I am not going to call BS on you even though you want to apologize for the many apparent shortcomings of this supposed “association” which to me is offering us a load of soiled Pampers for that $72 they want us to give them
I will just reiterate here that I want an association formed for the professional American mariner and by this bunch taking the name I proposed before right here in this forum for such an association, I am quite unhappy. Sell used diapers out of the back of your pickup if you must but don’t take a name for your business which says you a jeweler selling diamonds. I OBJECT TO THE NAME THEY TOOK…PERIOD!
your previous warnings about Jack are all now fairly well proven and I can no longer say that I hold him in any particular esteem. I am rather shocked at how the appearance of this “association” comes right at the moment that leadership changes at the AMO. I cannot but feel that there is the taste of sour grapes in Jack’s mouth right now and he’s not reacting well and wants his due. A rather strange way to try to get it by selling financial services to mariners as opposed to becoming the political voice for them however I am glad that he is not trying to become that as I do not believe Hearns to be the right man for the job nor would I support him if he suddenly ran for the position. We need someone who will squarely put the interests of the many ahead of the self or any select few who might happen to wear a certain school ring. I do not see Jack Hearns being able to do that. There is now too much in the public domain for him to have any vote of confidence from this professional American mariner.
He does live in Delaware. I am sure he would love to make this “Association” have a large contingent of ex KP regimental commanders…
I am just sure he would. I cannot but see how many KP’79 alums are part of this APMA…wonder if they have plans to turn this into another KP alumni gravy train?
[QUOTE=c.captain;155175]your previous warnings about Jack are all now fairly well proven and I can no longer say that I hold him in any particular esteem. I am rather shocked at how the appearance of this “association” comes right at the moment that leadership changes at the AMO. I cannot but feel that there is the taste of sour grapes in Jack’s mouth right now and he’s not reacting well[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I am sure he still has some support from people who buy his line of BS. I imagine he is thinking that he shoulda, woulda, coulda been AMO president.
[QUOTE=c.captain;155175]
I am just sure he would. I cannot but see how many KP’79 alums are part of this APMA…wonder if they have plans to turn this into another KP alumni gravy train?[/QUOTE]
I believe your idea that it is a KP gravy train maybe spot on. I suspect the lion’s share will go to Jack. I haven’t heard much about him since he quit before getting fired/resigned/lost his job from the company I work with. He probably could use the cash. I can’t imagine the union would be in any rush to find him work.
[QUOTE=Zep;155169]If the guy lives in Delaware should he incorporate in another state? You cant fault him for living in a state that is “corporate” friendly, over half of the fortune 500 companies incorporate in Delaware. So what should he have done? Gone to another state? Then you’d be asking “what kind of idiot would leave Delaware?”
It really seems like a lot of guys are fishing for any reason they can find to talk shit on these guys. Your argument isnt valid, youre really giving them crap for calling themselves master mariners? They all seemed like that had a ton of experience to me. Last I checked the captain was usually referred to as the “master” of the vessel. Why now all of the sudden do you have to have dual licenses to be a master?
Im sorry but it just seems like this is a witch hunt based on nothing but a personal gripe against the guys who started the website. If you dont like the site nobodys forcing you to go on it. The terms on conditions say the website been around since mid November so its 3 months old. So maybe instead of throwing the baby off the cliff give it a chance to grow, see what it turns into. Who knows, maybe it’ll suck but maybe it wont.
And honestly, did you think they come on here and get into a debate with you guys? If you’ve got questions I’m pretty sure there’s an email address on there. You might have to tell them your real name though…[/QUOTE]
Really this APMA is not worth gCaptains forum’s bandwidth any longer. I cannot imagine any real professional mariner taking the A “professional” M. A. seriously. Hell, I could call myself a professional billionaire but that doesn’t make it so.
Go fish for suckers among rookies APMA, your BS doesn’t cut it among the real pros.
I too, am of the opinion that too much attention paid to this issue might be considered counter productive…
BUT…I’m MORE disturbed when I believe someone is trying to take an unfair advantage over people, and more specifically when someone’s actions are tantamount to calling me an idiot to my face.
Which is what I believe is going on with the APMA.
Just as you “request permission to board” a vessel (or this forum), you surrender to the authority of the Master or his agent (our family). They have opened a door which they undoubtedly will find closed behind them after they are shown the way out. To that end:
American Professional Mariners Association EIN# 46-4203881
18306 Coastal Hwy.
Lewes, DE 19958
American Professional Mariners Association Foundation EIN# 46-4475869
19606 Coastal Hwy.
Rehoboth Bch., DE 19971
I too, am of the opinion that too much attention paid to this issue might be considered counter productive…
BUT…I’m MORE disturbed when I believe someone is trying to take an unfair advantage over people, and more specifically when someone’s actions are tantamount to calling me an idiot to my face.
Which is what I believe is going on with the APMA.
Just as you “request permission to board” a vessel (or this forum), you surrender to the authority of the Master or his agent (our family). They have opened a door which they undoubtedly will find closed behind them after they are shown the way out. To that end:
American Professional Mariners Association EIN# 46-4203881
18306 Coastal Hwy.
Lewes, DE 19958
American Professional Mariners Association Foundation EIN# 46-4475869
19606 Coastal Hwy.
Rehoboth Bch., DE 19971
[QUOTE=tengineer1;155184]Really this APMA is not worth gCaptains forum’s bandwidth any longer. I cannot imagine any real professional mariner taking the A “professional” M. A. seriously. Hell, I could call myself a professional billionaire but that doesn’t make it so.
Go fish for suckers among rookies APMA, your BS doesn’t cut it among the real pros.[/QUOTE]
This thread may soon be past the expiration date but it still has some function left. We here are all aware that APMA is a load of crap. It is still helpful to know who is behind it. In the future when things come from that source, it is seen as the crap that it is. I am glad to see that person exposed as the BS artist I have known him to be.
c.captain said:
"one of the single biggest reasons I have not taken that giant step of putting out my shingle and forming that association I advocate so strongly for. I believe that I could be an effective voice for the American mariner but I would need support and the thought that I wouldn’t get shit for contributions is very frightening. If I had capital enough to fund it myself for a year or more then I might do it but to require at least 4000 others to each give me $75 ($300k/year is the minimum I feel is necessary to step up shop) each year makes a person stop dead in the water. 4000 people is a massive number to start something like this. I’d be lucky to get 400 but then I would not be able to deliver and forget collecting anything in following years. This ain’t an easy nut to crack! "
c,captain, unfortunately, you would be lucky to get 40 mariners to contribute to such a cause. We, as Mariners, need an honest advocate to protect our interest against the likes of John McCain and his financial backers (see Threats to Jones Act.) The maritime unions have failed to represent mariners in any positive manner at all. Hell, in my own opinion today, they have even created a downward influence on mariner wages at some large U.S. marine shipping companies.
Congressional advocates of the Merchant Marine can only go so far when matched against barrels of cash from the special interest groups. Even the very few mariners who have worked tirelessly in a thankless environment for many years to effectively speak for mariners, have not been able to crack the nut of mariner apathy.
I would support a worthy mariner cause in an instant as I’m sure you would too but we would be lucky to have more than a dozen or two mariners willing to participate and donate a few bucks on a regular basis to support such a cause.
The executive board consists of a navy captain, pension fund manager, a maritime lawyer, two accountants, marketing exec, two Harvard MBA’s, etc. That’s a very top heavy group to just be helping the working stiff find a job or get all the resources for upgrades and renewals. The seagoing leadership list seems like a good cast of characters for the most part. Most seem to spend their days on the water. I’m still a little perplexed about the Maersk EEE on the home page. I’m sorry I just can’t take them seriously with a furin flag ship that takes up half the page. Having to sign up and join to see the “benefits” of being a member sounds like a “we have to pass it to see what’s in it” type thing. We all know how that went.
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;155208]The executive board consists of a navy captain, pension fund manager, a maritime lawyer, two accountants, marketing exec, two Harvard MBA’s, etc. That’s a very top heavy group to just be helping the working stiff find a job or get all the resources for upgrades and renewals. The seagoing leadership list seems like a good cast of characters for the most part. Most seem to spend their days on the water. I’m still a little perplexed about the Maersk EEE on the home page. I’m sorry I just can’t take them seriously with a furin flag ship that takes up half the page. Having to sign up and join to see the “benefits” of being a member sounds like a “we have to pass it to see what’s in it” type thing. We all know how that went.[/QUOTE]
I sailed with Bryan Belsito, Jack Hearn and Mark Gay. Mark Gay is a decent guy.