American Professional Mariners Association

[QUOTE=Fraqrat;155208]The executive board consists of a navy captain, pension fund manager, a maritime lawyer, two accountants, marketing exec, two Harvard MBA’s, etc. That’s a very top heavy group to just be helping the working stiff find a job or get all the resources for upgrades and renewals. The seagoing leadership list seems like a good cast of characters for the most part. Most seem to spend their days on the water. I’m still a little perplexed about the Maersk EEE on the home page. I’m sorry I just can’t take them seriously with a furin flag ship that takes up half the page. Having to sign up and join to see the “benefits” of being a member sounds like a “we have to pass it to see what’s in it” type thing. We all know how that went.[/QUOTE]

I can certainly say that the entire rollout of this “association” was horribly amateur and everything here said or unsaid since by them has compounded that poor show. They obviously are not savvy to the need for public relations and the adage that any publicity is good publicity I do not believe holds for them in this case. As the posts mount, the hole we are digging for the APMA is growing deeper and they are not making the slightest attempt to get the shovels to go silent. They are obviously reading these posts because they did respond to my original call for them to make a statement here but the instant disappearance afterwards is telling me they are afraid to return which tells me they know their “association” is little more than a phony front to bilk money from desperate mariners hoping that they might get work or lazy mariners hoping they might get better return on their investments. I must give them credit for knowing that if you have no defense to offer then you know you had better not say a word but the lack of presenting a defense is tantamount to an admission of guilt. Like refusing to take a breathalizer test.

Lastly, the not replacing the Maersk EEE on their homepage shows that they simply don’t care about the face they present. I am insulted by a foreign flag ship on a website purporting to want to help the US mariner. How stoopid do they think we are?

I just think it’s funny that a plan to make money that is this stupid was thought up by some people who ought to be pretty smart.

[QUOTE=Traitor Yankee;155230]I just think it’s funny that a plan to make money that is this stupid was thought up by some people who ought to be pretty smart.[/QUOTE]

Smart folks who thought mariners were easy marks.

Too bad for them that there are a few among us who can size up a situation and call BS.

[QUOTE=z-drive;155135]Maybe c.captain should rate us all in importance and update it weekly? Monthly? Quarterly?[/QUOTE]

I totally missed this one earlier and must say it is a capital idea which would make me into a defacto kingmaker here but also be able to solicite contributions to my personal political action fund in return for giving a favorable wink and nod.

DAMNED…this would just like being both Grover Norquist and Karl Rove at the same time even!

[QUOTE=RespectMyAuthority;155174]Don’t tell me the Jack has finally worn out his welcome with you?

He does live in Delaware. I am sure he would love to make this “Association” have a large contingent of ex KP regimental commanders…

It seems as though the site as been updated…

Jack’s smiling face can be seen here…

http://americanmariners.org/leadership

He is the one on the right[/QUOTE]

the dude on the left looks like a thumb

Indeed these guys are fucknuts, according to them without 20 years of sea-time you’re unqualified to know shit! Any forward thinking organization would realize the benefits from including all generations of mariners in the leadership of said group.

Besides the Maersk EEE, they have banners of european coverall clad seamen, not tobacco stained american t-shirts and dungarees!

Just for the fun of it, I’d like to point out this guy embodies everything wrong with the navy:

CHARLES (CHUCK) BAKER, CAPT, USN (ret)*
Chuck Baker retired from the Navy in 2013 after a 27 year career and currently works for the Northrop Grumman Corporation. After designation as a Naval Aviator in 1988, he spent the majority of his career flying the E-6B Mercury aircraft conducting the nuclear command and control mission. Chuck also served in numerous positions as Budgeting/Resource Officer assigned to the Staff of the Chief of Naval Operations, Executive Assistant to the Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command in Manama, Bahrain and as an Manpower Assignments Manager assigned to the Naval Personnel Command. Chuck held command at the Squadron and the Wing level.

people helping people…get paid! Lol

Who wants to watch a 60 year old steamship?

:smiley:

[QUOTE=Kraken;155257]Who wants to watch a 60 year old steamship? [/QUOTE]

ha ha…such a humorous little man you are

So just to point out what these people are trying to sell us, here is their member benefits page:

THE APMA ~~~ SEAS OF OPPORTUNITY ~~~

We provide you, an American Professional Mariner, with a safe and efficient voyage across many APMA Seas of Opportunity. You receive exclusive APMA online resources and all association benefits with your membership.

A QUICK LOOK AT APMA MEMBER BENEFITS

A HUGE maritime business directory for the entire U.S.A.
JOBS!  Hundreds of national listings and a Directory of Recruiters.
The BEST maritime training directory in the U.S.A.
The ONLY maritime education supply directory in the U.S.A.
USCG links and help for Merchant Mariner Credentials, documents and more.
NEWS updates from USCG.
SEA STORIES, photos and videos from fellow mariners, POST YOURS!
NETWORK through exclusive APMA member directory and social media.
MONEY tools and retirement guidance from FINRA.

LOW 1-YEAR RATE (IRS approved - business expense)

Your Future: The APMA Vision

Before you start to learn more about APMA opportunities and benetfits, we want you to know that we are not done! Our mission is about your success, on your terms, with all the help, resources, value and advantages we can find for you. By joining the APMA, you help yourself, your family, and your shipmates to a better future because as a nonprofit association for the American Professional Mariner – a strong membership is empowered to get the discounts, resources, and opportunities that you deserve!

Your Money: APMA Financial Services – for a better life

You work for money, a critical need for many opportunities in life. We work to help you get the most from it…. APMA financial benefits start with retirement information to help you make informed decisions for your personal welfare. ….

Low cost membership: The APMA is an IRS approved - 501(c)(6) tax exempt non-profit - association for American mariners. For 20 pennies per day, you get all the benefits of membership - in your hard working hands when you need them. Your membership fee is an IRS approved business expense for your professional and career goals.

Retirement and Investment Education: Take care of yourself and retire on your terms, by using the FINRA learning materials, Save Smart videos, investor education modules and online financial tools linked from this website through an exclusive APMA - FINRA affiliation agreement. This is our first step to making sure no one gets between you and your money!

Your Business: The APMA Coastal Services Directory

The APMA Coastal Services Directory is the largest online industry directory in the U.S.A. Whether you are preparing for a voyage, need repairs, or plan assistance in a distant port the APMA Coastal Services Directory can help you find the vendors, supplies and help that you need. This directory provides APMA members with exclusive listings and a unique search engine to quickly locate the best resources for you. Fingers do the sailing here. If you are looking for help on your voyage or in a port across the country – use the APMA Coastal Services Directory to get the job started now!

Your Work: APMA Career Center

The APMA Career Center gives you every national resource in one simple search location, with us! New jobs are posted by the minute. Here is a free market option for your career and the best way for employers to find you.

For Mariners:

The latest jobs on the APMA Shipping Board with classifieds for your career specialty and interest.
A directory of crewing services and recruiters looking for people like you!

Your Profession: Education and Training

One of the most pressing career needs in our industry is training for promotion, opportunity, and career maintenance. The APMA provides a nationwide network of training programs, from schools to self-study suppliers, in one place so you get it done on your terms.

The APMA Directory of Education and Training is an exclusive search program to help you find the closest maritime education and training facility for your career needs.
The APMA Education Suppliers is the simplest online resource to find the books, videos, and tools you need.
Use APMA quick-links to the USCG MMC Application Process​, TWIC, Medical requirements, Drug testing, and Credentialing Services to guide you through the process.

Your Network: Stay Connected Through the APMA

There is only one place for all American Professional Mariners to network online – here! The APMA uses state-of-the-art database programs that serve your needs 24/7. This is about you, your life, and your needs. APMA networks build lasting connections for mariners, associates, students and families.

Find and contact shipmates through the privacy / secure APMA Membership Directory. Your email address remains secure.
Network through the APMA social media on Facebook, Twitter and Google+.
Get the latest and unfiltered USCG news feed!
Tell your story! We provide guest blog post opportunities for some of the best (and the worst) sea stories, photos, and videos. If you have something to help, say, or prove – the APMA has unlimited database potential for all of our members to post.

As I have pointed out previously, there is no representative function to this group…nothing, nada, zilch, goose egg, big zero

What here in this huge list of benefits is there anything that is not provided by gCaptain or by searching the internet for resources? I must ask how are they providing one single unique service to the professional mariner community?

[QUOTE=Third Coast;155245]the dude on the left looks like a thumb[/QUOTE]

is his name Kip by any chance?

you’re scarcely going to believe this but I went back to the APMA homepage and guess what? THEY STILL HAVE THAT FOREIGN MAERSK CONTAINTERSHIP THERE!

what “ta-ra-ra goon-de-ay’s” these bozos are!

I’ve seen all I need to see. Go to the APMA website, click on Coastal Services Directory. In the “Type of Service” drop down box, select Tugboat, Towing and Barge Service and search. The first result is AllOverTowing providing 24 hour roadside assistance in Phoenix, Arizona. I know one of these days Arizona will be coastal waterfront, but it’s gonna be a while. In the meantime, I’ll take the $72 and spend it on beer.

Just send $72 to the TBSG (Too bad steam is gone) fund and I won’t harass you with license/life insurance emails. I will be job board for Limeys like Rigzone and offer jobs that pay in Pounds Sterling. I still need to figure the 4th engineer thing out. Got to go and mail my AARP dues with my Publishers Clearing House entry form.

The real professional mariners pay their dues every day working on the high seas. We don’t need some clown club run by a bunch of landlubbers

[QUOTE=c.captain;156705]you’re scarcely going to believe this but I went back to the APMA homepage and guess what? THEY STILL HAVE THAT FOREIGN MAERSK CONTAINTERSHIP THERE!

what “ta-ra-ra goon-de-ay’s” these bozos are![/QUOTE]

I am sure it was picked by the website design company that Jack hired. They probably showed him and he said “yeah it looks good”. He probably never gave a thought to the fact that it was a foreign ship for an “American Association”. One would hope that he would eventually have enough sense to change it. From what I have seen from Jack, I suspect it will be there for quite some time. I bet in another 6 months and the whole site will be down.

At this point, the way I see it, they can’t change it…if they do, they acknowledge the premise stated within this forum… they are a ploy.
I’m betting they regret the day they replied to c.cap in the first place.

[QUOTE=tengineer1;155184]Really this APMA is not worth gCaptains forum’s bandwidth any longer. I cannot imagine any real professional mariner taking the A “professional” M. A. seriously. Hell, I could call myself a professional billionaire but that doesn’t make it so.
Go fish for suckers among rookies APMA, your BS doesn’t cut it among the real pros.[/QUOTE]

Awww, c’mon tengineer…only $72 a year to get “empowered”? Most of us would drop that much at the saloon to get IMPAIRED, and here these guys are offering to EMPOWER us.

Maybe if I buy TWO memberships I can be TWICE as “empowered”?

I recognized the Hearn name…especially after I saw that it seems to be most of the Hearn Family. That’s two very big strikes…brothers and sons who want ME to pay THEM, huh?

Been there done that…used to be Drozaks…Saccos…McKays. But THIS time it would be DIFFERENT I’m sure.

For the record, I have no problem with family members in the biz, as long as THEY are the ones paying ME,

They say they are a voluntary association, and that’s cool…so I think that I will wait and see what they concretely offer their membership and what their track record is before I do anything voluntaryon their behalf.

Also, anything maritime associated with Philadelphia…well, the pejorative term “Philadelphia Lawyers” didn’t arise for no reason at all.

This is all kind of funny to read. I’ve always been a little curious how any person’s status as a Naval Officer would provide any special insight into the world of professional seafaring. Same goes for Harvard MBA. I got out of the MMR-US Navy Reserve as a Lieutenant Commander and got a MBA along the way. I don’t recall meeting anyone in the Navy Reserve or at Business School who knew anything about sailing or maritime industry. Perhaps if I’d matriculated at Annapolis and Harvard. I’ve heard everyone there is wicked smart!

[QUOTE=Heat Miser;157164]This is all kind of funny to read. I’ve always been a little curious how any person’s status as a Naval Officer would provide any special insight into the world of professional seafaring. Same goes for Harvard MBA. I got out of the MMR-US Navy Reserve as a Lieutenant Commander and got a MBA along the way. I don’t recall meeting anyone in the Navy Reserve or at Business School who knew anything about sailing or maritime industry. Perhaps if I’d matriculated at Annapolis and Harvard. I’ve heard everyone there is wicked smart![/QUOTE]

The world looks considerably different when you’re getting plastered at the Fleet Reserve Club in Annapolis…I know, I’ve gotten blotto in there a few times. My favorite time was when the United Airlines pilot fell asleep in his BMW out in the parking lot.

If you wanta n example in steel of just HOW different it can look, I offer the gas-turbine powered LMSRs presently tied up and rusting away in a “Congressionally strategic” port near you.
Draft too deep, fuel bill too expensive,(even for the Navy), bigger than the Titanic and has a crew about half that of a World War II Liberty Ship.

This is why admirals should not be allowed to design cargo ships simply because they are admirals.

[QUOTE=Bilgeman;157214]
If you wanta n example in steel of just HOW different it can look, I offer the gas-turbine powered LMSRs presently tied up and rusting away in a “Congressionally strategic” port near you.
Draft too deep, fuel bill too expensive,(even for the Navy), bigger than the Titanic and has a crew about half that of a World War II Liberty Ship.

This is why admirals should not be allowed to design cargo ships simply because they are admirals.[/QUOTE]
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You know what LMSR stands for? Lots o Money Spent Ridiculously