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Yeah, look at how that worked out in 2016. Even though the majority of voters made the best choice the result certainly didn’t turn out to be the best for the nation.

Dump the electoral college, make campaign contributions in cash or kind a felony if made or accepted by anyone or any group other than a voter. Make vote by mail universally available and give a tax deduction for casting a vote. Limit contributions to $500 and give a $500 tax deduction.

Incentivize voting rather than allow a few corrupt politicians to suppress it.

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Those are all good ideas. And while it’s true that the majority of voters managed to pull the lever on the lesser of the two evils, a sizeable minority were completely played. They thought they were making a rational choice even though they knew absolutely nothing about DJT. Even now, very few of the voters can describe the funding for the Trump casino, why it was done the way it was, and why its failure was inevitable. Many probably still believe he’s a great businessman.

Trump’s initial handling of the pandemic reminds me of the South Korean ferry captain who told his passengers–mostly high school students–to stay inside the capsized ferry. The ferry sank and over 300 passengers drowned. The captain was famously filmed escaping in his underwear as the ferry was sinking. He was prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to 36 years in jail.

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Here is the latest ad from the Lincoln Project. What’s remarkable is that for the most part, these guys are true consertatives and Republicans. They just don’t like the taste of Trump flavored Kool-Aid.

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Geeze…she couldn’t even win an election that was rigged in her favor. The founding fathers knew what they were doing with the electoral college.

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Founding fathers got it right. Cannot let a few states with mass populations decide an election. Electoral vs Popular vote will be debated until the crows fly home.

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Good article, doesn’t sway me though. I’m sure there are other similar well written articles that describe the benefits of Electoral College.

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I’ve read that article before. The Electoral College is a vestigial organ. Even in Political Science classes as far back as 1981, it was considered a relic. The coronavirus is liable to render it a moot argument. If mail-in voting becomes widespread, there probably won’t be any more anomalistic outcomes.

Good luck finding one. Outcome determinative choices don’t count.

The article wasn’t to sway you, it was to point out that this:

Is incorrect, or as the article (which you totally read!) calls it— “Mistake No 2.”

I doubt it will, National popular vote is overwhelmingly popular, polls high, and enfranchises all voters currently marginalized, from Alaskan Democrats to California Republicans. And your counter argument that, uh, well, let’s see, yes your counter argument appears to be that you believe a counter argument exists but you don’t know it or even if it exists, but you totally agree with it. Yeah, you didn’t read the article—which wasn’t really advocating for or against, it was just debunking common historical errors advocates for maintaining the EC make. In any event, Modern EC bears little resemblance to the original, which underwent changes almost immediately and continually and as states changed how they chose electors and new states came in to the union. Anyone saying some variant of “oh, can’t mess with the Founders Wisdom in the EC” is just BSng.

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Are you sure you are not referring to a different animal?
(Pigs maybe?)

Now that is funny. Think it was pigs. Thx for the correction

Just in case anyone was really in doubt…

Senate panel backs assessment that Russia interfered in 2016

A bipartisan Senate report released Tuesday affirms the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusions that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election in a far-ranging influence campaign approved by Russian President Vladimir Putin and aimed at helping Donald Trump win the White House.

The report rejects Trump’s claims that the intelligence community was biased against him when it concluded that Russia had interfered on his behalf in the election. It says instead that intelligence officials had specific information that Russia preferred Trump in the election, that it sought to denigrate Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton and that Putin had “approved and directed aspects” of the Kremlin’s influence campaign.

The heavily-redacted report from the Senate Intelligence Committee is part of the panel’s more than three-year investigation into Russian interference. Intelligence agencies concluded in January 2017 that Russians had engaged in cyber-espionage and distributed messages through Russian-controlled propaganda outlets to undermine public faith in the democratic process, hurt Clinton and aid Trump, who ultimately became president.

Believe otherwise? Derangement, indeed… :mask:

Was this in doubt? Hasn’t this been going on in elections on all sides for many many election cycles? What’s news about this?

This is apparent by the focus of their propoganda… Ok… The key link that (I think) you’re implying is that Trump was involved in this campaign… Is there evidence of that? Wasn’t that what Mueller was trying to find?

So what’s your point?

I think the expression is “until the cows come home”. It’s not important though. The cows don’t care.
It’s a mooo point :rofl:

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No. I am not implying that.

My bad. I guess everyone understands that:
Russians had engaged in cyber-espionage and distributed messages through Russian-controlled propaganda outlets to undermine public faith in the democratic process, hurt Clinton and aid Trump, who ultimately became president.

One of the things that has been lost in the politics of this situation is that the Russians collected and spread negative information…

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 27, 2017

…about then candidate Trump." Catherine Herridge @FoxNews. So why doesn’t Fake News report this? Witch Hunt! Purposely phony reporting.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 27, 2017

  • July 29, 2017: Trump tweets:

In other words, Russia was against Trump in the 2016 Election - and why not, I want strong military & low oil prices. Witch Hunt! https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/890848095424180225

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 29, 2017

Are there people (not in the fringes) that don’t understand that?

Then you quote Trump tweets from 3 years ago that demonstrate he didn’t understand what was their intent…??? What would be your summary statement of what you’re trying to say here?

I take it, then, that we agree there are people in the fringes who disbelieve in Russian efforts to install POTUS45 as president.

Hence my closing in the OP:

Both are correct. “When pigs fly” and “When the cows come home”. Cows,Crows, and Pigs all figure in my expression. What the heck, let’s throw a tiger and an elephant in there too. It is moot.

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