A FUCKING MEN. tugailsor thank you
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It was well intentioned, theres just too many people sitting at the table making rules without sea time.
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You are probably mostly correct. Itās funny though, I remember going to some schooling way back with āprofessional marinersā (pea coats and everything) who could not do a splice. Marlinspike seamanship just wasnāt what they did on big ships (in this case). Did they need to learn the skills I already had to be an AB? Arenāt there basic knots and basic rules of the road we should all know? This industry is pretty diverse. Should we further break it down and say if you do coastwise towing take this AB test but if you are doing harbor work take another one? Maybe its apples and oranges
I hope your business model is successful. Sounds like there is a need for it.
Thanks but itās not a business model, I have no plans to profit from this. I only want feedback on if itās a good idea or a bad idea.
Iām not sure where they worked but thatās not the case that Iām familiar with. If it can be tuck spliced deck crews are usually expected to be able to splice it. The only place Iāve seen such a lack of basic splicing skills is on supply boats.
Why not? Everyoneās gotta eat, including you.
I take it back, If this was passed and there was a raise, I would benefit in that regard. Iām looking out for the guys coming up.
It wouldnāt be an AB rating since you talking about green hands. I think itās best to not have the USCG require a basic training for inland boats because it would likely be completely worthless training.
Itās good that that company wants to have a formalized training in place, you could set it up. If you do it as a private company you can also go to other inland companies and try to get them to send their new guys there also. The big companies are likely to go for it, the rinky-dink companies likely wonāt.
Iām not interested in that. Iām looking to start an industry minimum. But I value the opinion, thanks for responding.
I agree, I think it eventually would become a tax on the industry.
They told me all they ever did was respond to helm commands while driving. I spent a week teaching 4 of them a 3 strand splice and knots. The point of this example was to say that working on a container ship is often nothing like working on a tugboat, and that an AB test was just a basic general skills test.
While Iām sure that that has happened, it isnāt normal.
While true thereās a surprising amount of similarity for deckhands. Chip, wire wheel, prime, paint, donāt fall overboard, donāt go in confined spaces, etc.
Some slackers exist on both types of boats but knots and splices are expected knowledge on ships just like on tugs.
The only way that I can see that working is for the AWO to require shore side, hands on training that covers what the employee will be expected to do onboard that companyās boats.
I thought you had been asked to start a class? Is this the company doing it in house and they just want you to design it?
Isnāt a lot of that being done on Western rivers also? So again, although there are some big differences there seems to be a trend emerging that says a lot of day to day boat work is the same. The coast guard offers the opportunity for young mariners to show they have learned some of these basic skills. Itās called an AB.Or is that wrong?
Yes, but this thread is talking about new OS orientation training, not AB training.
Iām not a towboat guy so Iām not familiar with the entry level process for deckhands but Iāve watched them work often enough to think that for management to just dump a warm body on the deck of a workboat without an ounce of training has to be self defeating.
Iāve seen classes being taught while visiting Kirbyās facility in Channelview and as mentioned by someone else above, I expect that is the standard with sizable companies. It sounds like youāre coming from a good place with this and I wish you luck. My experience and knowledge of training methods are in other areas of the maritime industry and in aviation but you have my help if you want it.