So it’s that day again, when America celebrates itself and it’s Independence:
HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!!! to all Americans on the forum.
HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!!! to all Americans on the forum.
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You could celebrate independence from Britain about every week of the year if you wanted to travel. Some didn’t even have to fight a war.
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Singapore is missing from the list. It did not get it’s independence together with the Malay Federation in 1957 and Malaysia didn’t exist until 1963, when Singapore joined. Singapore finally became an independent nation 9th Aug.1965, when kicked out of Malaysia. MAJULA SINGAPURA!!! 
My Royal Navy friends told me this was celebrated in UK as Thanksgiving Day.
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You didn’t either, “have to fight a war”.
You could have simply grown stronger than the UK and said bye-bye. The tiny tax you revolted over was bearable considering the loss of lives and treasure that resulted.
Australia doesn’t have an Independence Day because nobody knows when it happened. We didn’t kill anybody for it. We are independent now, but weren’t before and sometime in the interim we gradually achieved it. We formally tidied up legal aspects in 1986 but nobody noticed any changes. We had become independent and later they did the paperwork.
I think that’s the preferable path.
And just to make the point for Americans with king derangement syndrome, King Charles’ title here is King of Australia and he is advised in that role only by his Australian ministers of state. In his role as King of the UK, he has no connection to Australia. And, yes, we voted for this system … several times now. So we are an independent crowned republic. 
You cleared things up perfectly, thanks. Australia doesn’t have an Independence Day because you guys still use birthright rulership to pick your head of state, which is King Charles. King Charles’ 4th great grandfather was King of England George III, the same King George III that was defeated by our revolutionary colonial ancestors. Allowing no term limits heads of states to come into power based on what vaginas they were born out of might be fine for the royal subjects of Australia but not for our ancestors nor for us. Our ancestors demanded their God given freedom on July 4th 1776 & weren’t waiting for shit. No waiting generations in the future for a larger economy, hoping for a benevolent birthright ruler to give us a faux independence as long as sickly old white people in England still gets to be King & Queens of Australia. Suckers! Our ancestors weren’t twiddling there thumbs thinking about a possible freedom 200, 400 or a thousand years later. They fought & won their independence to ensure their descendants didn’t have a birthright head of state which sounds like the most backwards ass thing imaginable to those of us with real Independence from a monarchy.
“I did not defeat George the Third to become George the First”
George Washington on becoming a king.
Below is King George III on the possibility of George Washington not choosing to be a king if the colonialists won their independence. Perhaps King George III knew how corrupt & un-God like monarchies & birthright rulership really is?
"One day near the end of the Revolutionary War “the King began to talk abt. America,” Farington wrote. “He asked West what would Washington do were America to be declared independent. West said He believed He would retire to a private situation.—The King said if He did He would be the greatest man in the world.”
I knew I would trigger the KDS juices in you, @Sand_Pebble . Sorry for arousing you to heights of indignation at bed time.
Calm down. It’s all over now. Sleep well knowing that Good King Donald has it all under control and you are in safe hands. You can put down the dolly with the crown on it and all those pins stuck in it you’ve been stomping on angrily all Independence Day.
Relax and enjoy your republic, if you can keep it.
Just know that you are wrong.
the orange one?
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Thank you for the well wishes. But I hate to disappoint you by letting you know nearly zero Americans have any animosity towards your King, his royal family or your form of birthright rulership. I’m going on nearly 5 decades of celebrating US Independence Days & never gave much thought of the large extended family monarchies over there in Europe. Our Independence Day is a celebration of us, not of what countries we won wars against. Maybe a generation or 3 after 1783 Americans still associated the defeat of the Kings army with the 4th of July but that was a long, long time ago. When a person celebrates their birthday they don’t remembrance about cutting the umbilical cord, escaping their mothers womb or breathing air for the first time. It’s a celebration of another year of life & a thank you to the sacrifices made to make it happen. Your fuddy-duddy, crusty old kings, queens, dukes & other ancient titles for your birthright rulers have nothing to do with our modern day Celebration of the 4th of July. And since your country doesn’t have an Independence Day, next year feel free to pop a beer, fire off the grill, eat some hotdogs & blow some shit up on the 4th of July to celebrate with us?
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Back to the celebration of 4th of July, 2025:
Trump signed his “Big Beautiful Bill” on that day:
Source: Donald Trump signs BBB megabill into law that cuts taxes, Medicaid
Whilst your Hawaiian Royal Family reigns on, as do your tribal chiefs and a brace of born-to-rule establishment families and naughtier Mafia “godfathers” and drug “lords”.
We are happy to have beer and BBQs at the beach on our national day, 26 Jan, celebrating the landing of Captain then Governor Arthur Phillip and his First Fleet in Sydney Cove. But of course we have BBQs and beer every other day too.
I happily celebrated your 4th of July in San Francisco in 1976 so I know the spirit is strong.
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That’s cool, our 200th birthday! Was there much attention given to George the 3rd back then or just mostly celebrating our accomplishments & sacrifices like nowadays?
About the Native-American chieftain systems. A.I. just told me modern day Native-Americans elect their chiefs & councils. And even though the Canadians use the “Not All Men Are Created Equal” monarch system to let the current King’s groin determine who will be the next head of state, they made laws to disrupt the hereditary succession policy of their Native-American tribes. Cool for Canada imo.
About the hereditary succession, birthright rulership that you commonwealth folks are so fond of, do the citizens get a say on how future kings & queens are raised? I usually don’t care how other people raise their children or how they behave but seeing spoiled elites, that will one day be the head of state acting like a brat would ruffle my feathers. I’ve known some really smart, well behaved 4 year olds. I would insist William & Kate adopt one of them to bump little Louis down a notch in the line of succession. My kids never stuck their tongues out in public to my wife, to me or to anyone else, ever, as far as I recall. But that is still better than the serial rapist prince like they have in Norway or the gross pedophile uncle Prince Andrew that you royal subjects are stuck with.
It was a glorious moment in US history but the full effects won’t be known for a couple of more years as they purposely delayed many of the laws effects.One good thing is the military’s budget is now over a trillion dollars far surpassing the military budgets of all allies and enemies combined. The military contractors look forward to billions of increased profit which they will share with their shareholders after giving millions of dollars in bonuses to their executives. Medicaid is being reduced which will result in hospital closures in rural areas and causing the hospitals in bigger cities to pay more out of their budget to care for the uninsured who survived long enough to get there. No problem actually as they will just raise their rates to cover the losses and the insurance companies will raise the rates of all the insured so they can maintain a profit. Another good thing is the reduction in food assistance which will reduce the obesity epidemic in the US especially among children. Taxes will stay down for everyone except for the poorest who are already poor so they won’t notice a difference. Sure the national debt will go up to an all time high but that is not important so this July 4 was a holiday to remember and celebrate.
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We will rather have a "fuddy-duddy, crusty old king, or queen as our Constitutional Head of State (Google it) than an equally, (or worse) “fuddy-duddy” elected Head of both Government and State.
PS> In case you should be interested; Constitutional Monarchs are by law ceremonial and “non-political”.
In theory the Monarch “appoints” the Prime Minister, but in practice he/she appoints the person that is put forward by the majority in Parliament.
In theory he/she is head of the Armed Forces, but do not hold an actual Command position. Neither can he/she declare war on other countries, nor declare defeat.
You can have your elected President as combined Head of Government, Head of State and Commander in Chief, all rolled into one “dictatorial” position.
PS> Even worse when that position is held by a senile old person (whether Republican, Democrat, or from the new America Party)
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I recently heard the best explanation of the otherwise baffling existence of constitutional monarchies.
I heard it on the podcast’ The Rest is History’. The presenters are British. Dominic Sandbrook did most of the explaining.
First, you have to understand Britain stumbled into having a CM after trying every else, including a republic, and never finding a fit.
Eventually the system came to work the way the brain works. There is a rational part of the brain that understands that absolute monarchies are a poor way run a government.
Then there’s a mammalian part of the brain that very much wants a tribal leader/clan chief/ king running everything. A function of biology, no different than wolves and baboons.
In the British system, the Prime Minister satisfies the need for a leader based on reason.
The monarch serves the need that the biological part of humans has for a king. The king is a powerless figurehead. Their only purpose is to fulfill the atavistic desire for a semi-divine figure to adore.
The best part is that the citizen can choose to completely ignore the monarch or venerate them as they like. Monarchs are emotional lightning rods. You can enjoy the sparks or ignore them as you like. Either way, their purpose is to disperse emotion where it can do no damage.
Sandbrook noted that few British actually care about PMs. He says they don’t put emotional energy into PMs as Americans do presidents.
They don’t even elect PMs to the position, and when parliament doesn’t like the PM they can vote them out in an afternoon , so why care about them?
Emotions are what the monarch is for. PMs are functionaries who run the government.
Sandbrook observes that Americans expect presidents to be monarchs who actually run the government, which makes Americans in times of political dysfunction , as we are in now, more monarchists than the most monarchal Brit.
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God you old guys suck just so, so much. Can’t even be pleasant without resorting to snide dirtbag comments.
I guess it’s nice that you’re scattered across the world, so we can all see that truly every nation has unloved, unlovable and unlikeable people living there.
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Can’t remember. I was partying. I think I recall describing “king size” to some young ladies who wanted to know more.
No, but thy do watch what they do. The system is that the king and queen produce sufficient offspring for the “heir and a spare” and perhaps a few more spares. The young princes (and now princesses) are given rigorous schooling. Charles was sent by his father to a spartan school in chilly Scotland (which he hated) which was intended to toughen him up. He had to learn authentic Welsh in Wales as the Prince of Wales - and the Welsh hate the English so that was no fun.
In short he hated boarding schools and the rigorous schooling. Normally the princes join the Navy. Charles did that and eventually commanded a minesweeper. We were Sub-lieutenants together under training in Royal Navy establishments. I can vouch that we “colonials” disrespected his princely status and sabotaged his Aston Martin, hosed him down during firefighting, let him (just) survive survival swimming in an icy pool, and many other excellent character building evolutions. He toughened up well, so well his final comeback was legendary.
In short he spoke at a formal mess dinner not about normal princely matters but about the horrors he had endured at the hands of Aussies and Kiwis (the establishment officers were horrified at this stage of his talk) and so he had approached “mummy” to have us thrown in the Tower of London. She refused, he said. We all cheered. There was disquiet in the mess as we all wondered whether he could in fact do that.
Anyway, mummy had said no so that was that. He then said, “I’ve gone over her head” and blew a whistle. Into the mess marched a number of Beefeaters (Wardens of the Tower) in full regalia armed with their pike axes and rounded up the ringleaders and marched them out at pike-point, hands up.
The doors slammed shut and rifle shots rang out. The whole mess of hundreds of bow-tied and bemedalled officers ran out to find the shots were blanks - and then we knew he both had a sense of humour and a waggish style of a good bloke. He copped even more after that.
Anyway, my reminiscences are simply to show we train our future kings rigorously, aren’t afraid to send princes to shooting wars (Andrew, Harry) and push them through real work.
Nicely put. The system has developed naturally and been tested over centuries. Few republics can say that.
That’s it in a nutshell. Thank you.
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Holly shit.
KDS juices, dollies with the crowns, studed with the pins , her majesties kingsize vaginas, garroting with umbilical cords , suffocating inside royal wombs, fuddy-duddy crusty old kings, Hawaian Royals, tribal chiefs, royal groins, pedhophiles ,rapist princes , stuck tongues , american
ladies of questionable virtues waging Royals with their dics , trillion dollar bugets, medicaid in ruins , uinsurred dying , obesity epidemic , poor getting poorer, rich getting richer , agent Pumpkin signing bill of horror or of honor -who T.F. knows ??
Nice to read the members of the Alliance projecting love to each other with such terms of endearment .
Am deeply worried about the condition of the gang if it wants to fight the Tzar of Russia , Emperor XI, Ayatollahs Hezbollahs , Ewoks and Kim Fuck Dzong all at once with what I saw marching = dragging their feet a couple of days ago .
Depressing.
King Derangement Syndrome, a self-inflicted malady suffered by many Americans who know no more about kings than the deceptive words of the indictment of the Declaration of Independence, claiming the king (himself) committed all sorts of crimes and was thus a tyrant, and therefore all kings are tyrants.
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