3 A/E without OICEW Shipping Ideas

[QUOTE=johnny.dollar;180648] I have ~10 years in power plants. I’ve talked to some license consultants and they said that it may be possible for the USCG to use my experience from power plants to meet some of the STCW requirements. [/QUOTE]

For STCW, that’s extremely unlikely.

[QUOTE=johnny.dollar;180648]…Also, check out this class. I don’t know what it satisfies: [/QUOTE]

If the school is accurately stating the approval the course was given, it’s approved to meet the motor plant course requirement for OICEW that takes effect after December 31, 2016.

[QUOTE=TxsCaptain;180654]From what I’ve gathered, the 1080 days of sea time requirement for OICEW is strict. There is a provision for 12 months with an approved training program, but it doesn’t seem that any of those really exist outside of maybe the AMO TECH program. [/QUOTE]

It is very strict. The only options are an approved program (the academies or AMO) or three years of sea time.

[QUOTE=johnny.dollar;180648] Mass Maritime has a good summary of Table A-III/2 http://weh.maritime.edu/stcw13/tables/31.html[/QUOTE]
That summary is specific to Mass. Maritime’s program. For the hawse-piper, there is a better and more useful “summary” here.

[QUOTE=johnny.dollar;180657]I think I need to read the whole law. Look at 46 CFR 11.329 (e).
If I read this logically, it says “Entry path from national endorsements: Second assistant engineer any horsepower. Sea service: NONE* * This column provides the minimum additional service required of the seafarer in order to meet the requirements of this section.”
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You are picking and choosing only the parts that support the result you want. The reason it says no sea service is required when seeking OICEW from 2nd AE is that holding 2nd AE is sufficient evidence of having acquired the sea service needed for OICEW. But you ignored the other two columns of that same table, “competence” and “training” Both are marked as “Yes” so you still need to complete all the courses and do all of the competency assessments, this table does not mean if you have 2nd AE you are automatically qualified to be issued OICEW.

Also, if there was a conflict between that table and the rest of the regulation that precedes it (there isn’t), general rules of legal and regulatory interpretation would apply and a summary cannot prevail over the specific provisions it summarizes.

[QUOTE=johnny.dollar;180657]…So there ya have it. Maybe a lawyer or somebody smarter than me can confirm[/QUOTE]
Guilty on both counts.