How long does it take to become 3rd AE from wiper

I apply to the SIU for UA program and I’m waiting to here back from them but I’m trying to find out whats faster SIU or Maritime school to get a 3 AE license

If you go to a maritime academy it will be basically 4 years. That will get you a college degree and your 3A/E

If you chose to hawse pipe, it will depend on if you already have a wiper or QMED

The time requirments are spelled out for you in 46cfr subchapter E Engineer license structure. Google it and that should answer your question.

The downside to the hawsepipe route is that you can’t be sure how much sea time you will get and in what capacity. You need 1080 days with I think 360 as QMED. That’s three years of sea time which will most likely take well over 4 years if you are shipping out of the union hall, plus no guarantee that you will be able to get any QMED time.

720 days as a QMED, I did it in 4 1/2 years, but was probably one of the last to get time and a half.

You have to figure it out financially, is the pay worth it compared to paying to go to school. You can do more with a degree if you decide to stop shipping. Also, you’re not going to be able to skip the learning process if you go hawespipe, you still need to learn the same things graduates do, you just have to have the motivation to learn it in your own time.

If you can afford it go to an academy!

[QUOTE=deven;73497]Also, you’re not going to be able to skip the learning process if you go hawespipe, you still need to learn the same things graduates do, you just have to have the motivation to learn it in your own time.[/QUOTE] Plus, you don’t really know who your learning from. How much does that person really know? What ass backwards things are they teaching you? More importantly, what are you NOT learning? Not the the Academies are the most fantastic learning environments, but at least there is some quality control. There is a curriculum and the professors all most likely have senior level licenses.

[QUOTE=Jarrett Ford;73364]I apply to the SIU for UA program and I’m waiting to here back from them but I’m trying to find out whats faster SIU or Maritime school to get a 3 AE license[/QUOTE]

Three years of total sea time, with at least 2 years of it as QMED. When you add in vacations and consider that many need 5 years to finish at an academy, the time to 3rd AE is about the same for both. Consider also that at an academy, you’ll end up with a n engineering degree which will give you many more options ashore if you decide to stop sailing.

Just dont do your time as QMED on an OSV. You work just as much(or more) as everyone else, side by side for 12 hours a day, but only get 8 hours of seatime instead of 12 like everyone else. GREAT RULE USCG. Not…

If you don’t have any sea time and can afford it go to an Academy for the degree. You will start out of school at over 175k a year, and have a degree to fall back on when you feel land calling you. I wish I would of went to an academy honestly.

[QUOTE=liftedlimo;73682]Just dont do your time as QMED on an OSV. You work just as much(or more) as everyone else, side by side for 12 hours a day, but only get 8 hours of seatime instead of 12 like everyone else. GREAT RULE USCG. Not…

If you don’t have any sea time and can afford it go to an Academy for the degree. You will start out of school at over 175k a year, and have a degree to fall back on when you feel land calling you. I wish I would of went to an academy honestly.[/QUOTE]

175K a year? Is that in U.S. Dollars?

I have never heard of anyone getting anywhere near that just out of school.

That’s pretty close for a mate or A/E counting bonuses and holidays on 28/14 schedule. Give or take a few thousand.

Starting 3rd A/E, 725/day, 242 days/year give or take, not including holiday double pay, or travel pay, nor 401k matching. Not to mention the extra 75/day when doing anchor work. if you somehow did anchor work year round with the current pay schedule you would be in the low 200k/year range.

An unlimited mate on an osv is around $500 or $600 a day. That is closer to $130,000 a year.

There are Mates on OSV’s?!? I thought EVERYONE was a captain!?!

If you have a captain license you are a “captain”, people that only have a mate license are called a “mate”.

[QUOTE=Capt. Phoenix;73909]If you have a captain license you are a “captain”, people that only have a mate license are called a “mate”.[/QUOTE]

If you are serving as mate you are called “mate” by the office and crew regardless of which, if any license you hold. The rest of the world might call you something entirely different.

If you have a captain’s license and are not the captain then you probably don’t really know (or want to know) what the crew and the rest of the world calls you unless they want to buy insurance or have their toy boat surveyed.

Not sure what company you work for. Once these kids get the all important DP certificate they can make more than that working even time. 28/14 throw another 45 on that. With out DP they can make 130 on even time. When the CG gives them the 1600 master when the upgrade to second their heads explode. Why do you think they call themselves 3rd captain? They are making all this money and they have a masters license they must be important right? When the CG does that it’s like everyone getting a trophy for participating in little league. You “suffered” through the regiment at school and “put your time in” on training cruises here’s your trophy.

This is very true with the 3rds we have been working with. They think they know everything when they get out of school. I have only work with a couple who was willing too listen and actuality learn.

Once they get their 1600 ton master then they make captain pay and it goes up. It takes around two years to get a full dp ticket now so they are stuck on the boats a while.

It still doesn’t take the wind out of their sails. Regardless of DP most (not all) of these guys feel they are ready for that Masters spot a year removed from school. Same thing with the 3rd A/E’s. Depending on their evaluator they are given the Chief Limited Oceans when moving up to 2nd A/E. I’m just waiting to hear those magic words of 2nd or 3rd “chief” being thrown around. I chafe when I hear third captain. I will be apoplectic when I hear I’m the assistant chief.

[QUOTE=liftedlimo;73682]Just dont do your time as QMED on an OSV. You work just as much(or more) as everyone else, side by side for 12 hours a day, but only get 8 hours of seatime instead of 12 like everyone else. GREAT RULE USCG. Not…[/QUOTE]

Not USCG, Congress. See 46 US Code 8104(g)(1). Congress writes the US Code.