Woke infiltrating KP

For you, where is the line for when ‘how a person feels about something’ becomes a ‘political bias’?

Because the answer to that seems to be “when I don’t agree with how you feel about that topic”.

IMHO someone who doesn’t have a dog in the fight. Although I lived most of my life in the US, I was born and raised elsewhere and taught to keep to myself any political or religious opinions I might harbor.
As an expat I dutifully returned the kindness of my adopted country with voluntary military and government service. I still believe in the inherent kindness and goodness of the average American but I believe the current leaders of both political parties have have fallen prey to greed and selfishness.
I have since chosen to live elsewhere where only the Coast Guard carries guns, a place free of political flame wars, gun worship. senseless violence, racial divisions, addiction to social media and what passes for news and a lot of other ills plaguing the country. I have no intention of ever returning so I share the detached and bemused attitude of foreigners with regard to the current angst gripping the country.

  1. In your opinion, is the “Time to get woke about woke” (linked above) article neutral?
    No
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Why, when the FBI and the DOJ have the laptop and the data?

There are many copies outside the FBI’s hands. They have been examined and contain damning, first hand evidence of crimes. The house committee will do whatever it wants, but the law enforcement agency, the people you said should investigate it, have had it for years and you would presume they would deal with it professionally. They aren’t. That’s the issue.

Oh, and ivermectin does treat Covid, rainwater is acidic, dead people voted in the 2020 election and the FBI is corrupt.

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After weeks of House investigations I’ve yet to see Jordan present any of it. If it’s damning then they should have presented it first, right? Slam dunk case.

I can’t find a link to any such evidence presented in committee. Can you point me to it?

Or, is it buried with the grand total of 9 dead voters in the entire state of Georgia, or the 14 dead voters in the entire state of Nevada, which was all that P45’s own campaign could ever find in either of those states? 23 out of about 10,000,000 voters. Or 0.00002%. Less than a rounding error of a rounding error of a rounding error…

Or maybe Sidney Powell has the evidence. Remember her, on Fox ? One of their expert witnesses on the supposedly “fraudulent” election. Only what Fox’s hosts knew, and joked about with each other in emails, but never told you , was that Sidney Powell claimed she got her information from a headless, time-traveling entity who spoke to her in her dreams.

Wait a minute—are you that guy!!! :ghost: :scream:

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I don’t have a lot of interest in this business but passing the time, I followed your link to Mr.Lakoff.
His bio on Wikipedia (no relation to Foxnews) lists him as a member of the IDEAS Foundation, Spain’s Socialist Party’s think tank, so it’s a safe bet that the gentleman is listing to port.
As to the other author who was Jerry Brown’s press secretary, Brown was so far left he makes Bernie Sanders look like a conservative.

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House committees are not equipped to investigate crimes. They are not authorised to lay charges. They can question the AG about why the crimes aren’t being investigated. I refer to my mention of Jim Jordan’s letter to the AG.

Good to see you approve wholeheartedly of fraudulent voting … and its results.

Out of curiosity, which crimes are not being investigated?

Perhaps you could ask the FBI which crimes are being investigated. You’ll get silence.

I think you missed the question. It is easy to find out what is being investigated, like the US Attorney is investigating HB’s taxes. But you said there are crimes that are not being investigated…I was wondering what those are?

It’s not easy to find out what the FBI is investigating off HB’s laptop. They don’t say. But for the benefit of people who can’t search online, the crimes are many including drug and firearms offences, money laundering, influence peddling, child pornography and money for the Big Guy etc. They were sufficiently distressing for the Mac shop owner to pass to the FBI - who did nothing.

I’m told there are hundreds of crimes but I don’t have the ability to investigate. The FBI does, but …

Sure they do. Sometimes they do it because higher told them they have to, or to check a box. This was clearly some sort of diversity training, standard fare in corporate cultures (USAF we’re talking about) everywhere. It wasn’t an order, any more than the annual slips, trips and falls or hazmat or whatever training we endure every year is an “order.”

The military, like other large organizations and in particular government agencies, is sometimes directed, sometimes encouraged, to present training to it’s members on all sorts of things. How to balance a checkbook. What to do about mental health challenges. The consequences of drinking and driving … Sometimes federal law requires it… sometimes an executive order requires it. Sometimes it’s DoD, the Air Force Secretary, or a major command. Sometimes it’s an industrious installation/unit EEO officer.

Doesn’t make it a lawful order, and it also doesn’t make it what that paragon of journalistic excellence, the New York Post, said it was.

And I am a veteran.

Ahh, I see. So you say you don’t actually know what is being investigated but you also believe that things aren’t being investigated. Profound accusations.

Already covered this. See below: (I didn’t re-include the link to the NY Post, see post #149 if you need the link)

If you’re able to find where it says an order was given, please let us know.

In your experience as a veteran during the various trainings you received, you didn’t get the message that the things being presented are the way the higher ups want things done? So for example after receiving:

let’s say you were subsequently mopping the floor, didn’t put up the yellow cone, then someone slipped and fell. The senior person comes to you and says “Why didn’t you put up the cone? We JUST had training on this!” Are you saying an acceptable response from you would be “yeah, but that wasn’t an order so I don’t have to do that.”? Was that really your experience in the US military?

See my previous comments. The FBI has the evidence, but so do lots of others who have analysed it.

Those others have detailed numerous obvious crimes. The FBI hasn’t. That’s my accusation. I don’t know what the FBI is doing because they don’t say, but they’ve had the hardware and data for many years and the wherewithal and authority to deal with it. So if you are happy with that, fine. Your justice system is working.

In fact it was this lack of interest/action by the FBI initially which prompted the Mac shop owner to send copies of the hard drive to people like Rudi Giuliani because he could see criminal activity. Only then did the FBI feign any interest.

On top of that, perhaps you remember the media’s role suppressing this prior to the election and the intelligence community’s role in declaring it had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation. The laptop’s contents could have changed an election if properly handled at the time. All this is now publicly available … but not on the main stream media.

Buttigieg is Secretary of Transportation, the painting of Christ on the water was covered and the people quoted did say what the article says they did.

So the article in the OP is factual… but it’s misleading because of missing information, context and framing.

George Lakoff is a linguist and analyzing articles like the one in the OP is his specialty. Simply dismissing his argument because of his politics doesn’t invalidate it.

What’s the difference between dismissing the article in the OP because it’s Fox News and dismissing Lakoff because of his views? What about the facts presented and the arguments made?

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There is no order, required practice, work instruction, regulation, or anything else in the US Air Force that prohibits the use of “mom and dad” - none. All media reports, hinting at, implying, insinuating otherwise, or any other euphemism you want to use are intentional misinformation - designed specifically with the purpose of triggering folks with a predisposition to fear “wokeism” into watching, clicking, posting and otherwise doing stuff that makes them money.

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Lakoff’s take on the woke phenomenon is not to any degree as duplicitous as the Foxnews article and I didn’t dismiss it out of hand. Please show me the post that gave you the idea.
It’s in a different category and much more subtle but to pretend that an article authored by 2 dyed in the wool socialists doesn’t represent a leftist view of the world is disingenuous.
FWIW in regard to the Air Force presentation, attendance to the last sensitivity presentation I attended before retiring from the COE was mandatory. I don’t recall anyone in the room agreeing 100% with the material but not signing the written statement at the end stating we did was not an option.
From what I’ve read, the AF presentation wasn’t that forceful.

That was an example from my current career. And you know as well as I do that this sort of thing is often a company CYA. A Towing Safety Management System, for instance, is, at least in some part, an exercise in transferring liability from vessel owners to the operators.

My point was that the military does many things for the same reason. There are many “trainings” the non-observance of which are not actionable under UCMJ. My experience is that the NCO or officer giving mandated training often does it with an eye roll or tongue in cheek because they don’t see it as mission essential (putting rounds downrange, whatever) and it is forgotten until it comes up on the training calendar the next year.

Unless, of course, someone gets his/her/their (?) feelings hurt. Then the unit/command can say: “Well, we gave the training …” it’s on the knucklehead who misgendered that airman or cadet or whatever. Liability transferred.

Honestly, I don’t even care enough about this to write this much. But I’ve already read the news for the morning. :roll_eyes::grin:

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There would be no difference. An interested reader shouldn’t dismiss either without reading them. However, it is important to consider the source of the text you’re reading to know if the authors have a predisposition one way or the other. I posted the links because most are aware of FN’s political lean but may not be familiar with the work of the two authors whose name appear on the ‘woke about woke’ article (I know I wasn’t). After reading, if the reader chooses to dismiss, then that’s an individual choice.

BTW, it was pretty clear very early on in the article where the writers stood on the issue. This prompted a deeper dive into their history which yielded predictable results.

Back to the OP’s article, I read it again just now. It wasn’t even about the Jesus painting. That instance was used as one example of an ideology infiltrating the campus, not even the best one in my view. A better example of the problem they’re highlighting would be:

“(A midshipman interviewed for the story) noted how the main passageway of the school was adorned with a mural promoting LGBTQ ideology.”

"Multiple sources recounted that during a recent question-and-answer session with (Superintendent) Nunan about the Jesus painting, a midshipman received a standing ovation from the other students for asking why a painting of Jesus was being removed because it might offend some people, while material promoting LGBTQ was allowed prominence despite potentially offending people of faith.

“I’m just kind of paraphrasing, but [Nunan] basically said that you have to glorify the minority,” one of the sources said."

Also, after having just re-read the OP’s article, I would be interested in your take on how it is:

Correct as far as I know…just mandatory training for future USAF officers which included a slide that says to do just that.

Sure…as long as you’re willing to ignore the mandatory training for future USAF officers which included a slide that says to do just that.

Which, is understandable for readers who po-po conservative outlets because they were probably never made aware of it by their news source of choice.