every one keeps telling me that if something happened to the master that the engineer takes control of the vessel. I have to disagree strongly as the books I am studying now says that a person that is part of the engine room can not even be a lookout. I have tried to look this up in the CFR,s but am having no luck. Do you know were I my find this info at? I really think this can not be the case as the Mate is 2nd in charge. If not why would they even have a mates? Any info on this would be great.
Why would the person in charge of a vessel need to work as a look out.
[QUOTE=cmakin;71022]Why would the person in charge of a vessel need to work as a look out.[/QUOTE]
I am trying to say that if a person that is part of the engine room department can not even be a lookout, than how can the engiener become in charge of the boat if something happens to the master? People are telling me that the mate does not take charge, that the engineer does
On a big ship the Chief Mate would take command until the next port call, where the company would send another Master to take command.
Where I work the mate assumes command until the boat gets back to the dock.
it depends upon the type of vessel involved.
On a SPV with only one licensed operator it is the most qualified person takes charge. But, then along comes inspected vessels with more than one licensed person aboard.
On a vessel that has a COI and has multiple ranks listed it goes in order: Master, Chief Mate, Second Mate, Third Mate, Chief engineer, 1st, 2nd, 3 rd assistant engineer. AB, then OS last. But for the OS to have to take charge every one else would have to be incapacitated. All these ranks are listed in this order for a reason, not just 'cause the Captain is mo impotent.
the second captain of course, then third, fourth and fifth in that order.
hell, in OSV’s in Fourchon even the engineers are captains!
Oh yeah. I forgot about the third and fourth. Does two 3rd captains equal a sixpack?
It would have to be the chief mate or second captain. I supposes all the 2nd-4th captains could draw straws for the job. If the mate was young or inexperienced I’m sure the chief engineer would offer advice and help him out. I know I would I am infamous for giving unsolicited advice all the time. I could drive and make a passable plot to get us home. I don’t pretend to know all the ins and outs of working on the bridge. My job is to make sure we get to where the Master wants us to go and we can safely do our job once there. If I wanted to be in charge I would have been a Master. You guys can have all that headache.
KennyW… do not listen to our engineer if I become incompacitated. Hes, ahem, NFFD, mentally.
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;71047]It would have to be the chief mate or second captain. I supposes all the 2nd-4th captains could draw straws for the job. If the mate was young or inexperienced I’m sure the chief engineer would offer advice and help him out. I know I would I am infamous for giving unsolicited advice all the time. I could drive and make a passable plot to get us home. I don’t pretend to know all the ins and outs of working on the bridge. My job is to make sure we get to where the Master wants us to go and we can safely do our job once there. If I wanted to be in charge I would have been a Master. You guys can have all that headache.[/QUOTE]
In many cases the C/E can be a huge help for the master, and the mates as well for that matter. I’ve spend many an hour hashing over various topics with the C/E… An experienced C/E willing to keep on top of whats going on can be very valuable.
K.C.
[QUOTE=skinny stick;71020]every one keeps telling me that if something happened to the master that the engineer takes control of the vessel. I have to disagree strongly as the books I am studying now says that a person that is part of the engine room can not even be a lookout. I have tried to look this up in the CFR,s but am having no luck. Do you know were I my find this info at? I really think this can not be the case as the Mate is 2nd in charge. If not why would they even have a mates? Any info on this would be great.[/QUOTE]
Look at the definition of “Chief Mate” in 46 CFR 10.107
No worries there. I ask the shitter its opinion before i ask the engineer or the deckhand.
WOW !!! That hurt !!!
Don’t forget the cadet. If he’s KP then before the AB and after the OS for the staties.
[QUOTE=jdcavo;71055]Look at the definition of “Chief Mate” in 46 CFR 10.107[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but the only vessels with Chief Mate’s are subchapter D, H, I and U vessels over 1600tons. That is a pretty small bunch in the big picture yet I say that if the master croaks put up NUC “red over red the master is dead” and everybody fight to be the “new” captain. The last man on his feet gets the job!
Anybody remember the movie with James Mason and Broderick Crawford titled “The Decks Ran Red”? Chief Engineer Crawford seizes a Liberty Ship and Captain Mason takes it back by swimming back to the ship from a lifeboat! A stupid movie with Dorothy Dandridge in a ridiculous role only so a sexy dame could be in the cast and an ludicrous implausible plot but full of GREAT SHOTS OF A REAL LIBERTY SHIP IN IT!
I don’t remember what Broderick’s beef was with the captain anyway…must’ve been that old MMP vs. MEBA pissing contest!
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[QUOTE=c.captain;71034]the second captain of course, then third, fourth and fifth in that order.
hell, in OSV’s in Fourchon even the engineers are captains![/QUOTE]
Second, Third or Fourth…that is out of style nowadays! the new trend is Master and then OICNW.
[QUOTE=GYRO;71102]Second, Third or Fourth…that is out of style nowadays! the new trend is Master and then OICNW.[/QUOTE]
I don’t know if too many “captains” in Fourchon can even spell OICNW let alone tell you what is stands for…
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[QUOTE=Fraqrat;71106]Old
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Tell me…what is that avatar of yours supposed to be anyway? I liked the one with the pic of the big diesel a lot better!
Google Early Cuyler and you will see!