What You Need To Know About The Battle of Portland - bellingcat

Everybody needs to chill because everything will work out just fine. America’s priorities are beyond reproach as evidenced by a pair of blown out sneakers selling for a mere half a million dollars. I could have found the buyer brand new ones for two hundred bucks and that would have included my modest finder’s fee.

All police interactions should be based on facts and every law enforcement officer should wear a body camera. No excuses.

That being said, your post claims to show “apparent police escalating violence” but none of the images or accompanying text provide context. It’s a commonly used tool by all media to push their agenda but it’s fraudulent.

Its always interesting to see how the rest of the world does things
I thought the difference in training time was significant

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Sadly, that is not the case. The internet is full of video showing peaceful protesters being attacked by police. The most famous and well publicized case occurred right in front of the White House. There is another viral video of a retired Navy veteran being attacked. Journalists bludgeoned snd shot. Another of first aid workers being attacked You have to really be not looking to miss them.

Let me forestall the reply that there is also video of protestors being bad. Agreed. But the attacks on people peacefully demonstrating are indisputably there. They are not rare. They are inexcusable in a democracy.

The point of the article is that ProPublica has requested that police agencies provide context and they have not.

“Defunding police” has become a loaded expression meaning one thing to conservatives and something else to liberals. Police spend a lot of time dealing with petty disputes, family issues, traffic accidents, homeless people and mentally ill people. Rather than deal responsibly with mental health and homelessness we underfund those resources and pass those problems down to police. We don’t need armed officers for the vast majority of things they are called on to respond to. The idea in the middle is to have people respond to issues they are specially trained to handle and leave the police to fight crime. Why in the world do we tie up police officers investigating and reporting on every fender bender in the city? Couldn’t the insurance industry answer those calls just as easily?

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When I saw that I though of Lakoff - not surprisingly he does not think it works as a slogan.

The challenge, Lakoff said, is “that it takes several sentences to explain.”

From here:

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Many policeman are shot or injured during domestic disputes. They dread them as there already is heightened emotions before they get the call. Sometimes an unarmed social type worker can get things calmed down, sometimes not. Which will require police presence anyway…

Trump ordered federal forces to quell Portland protests. But the chaos ended as soon as they left

On Thursday, the first protest held since the federal agencies agreed to pull back their officers was a markedly more peaceful affair.

As the Black Lives Matter-inspired vigil wound down early Friday morning, there was virtually no sign of the Oregon State Police officers who had taken over protection of the federal buildings at the center of the protests.

Instead of being forcibly removed from downtown’s Lownsdale Square and the adjacent Chapman Square, which lie opposite the barricaded Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse, the crowd thinned out on its own, with many protesters heading home of their own accord.

I haven’t seen the event you refer to but what’s reported on the news is rarely objective. Police don’t usually ambush people for no reason. I have seen police use force to push back on demonstrators who were not being physically aggressive but standing their ground after being told to clear an area. That verbal warning ends up on the cutting room floor because it doesn’t suit MSM’s agenda.
If you’re not familiar with the 5 steps in the “use of force continuum” taught in professional law enforcement academies per the National Institute for Justice, here they are.

  1. Officer presence - a visual deterrent.
  2. Verbal command - non-physical instructions such as “stop” or “move back”.
  3. Physical action - controlling without weapons such as handcuffing.
  4. Non lethal force - using non-lethal weapons such batons, sprays, tazers, rubber bullets.
  5. Lethal force - Use of deadly weapons when all else has failed and there’s a threat to life.

Don’t be fooled. Most videos shown by the MSM start the encounter at number 4. The cops look like rabid goons and that’s what they want you to see because that’s what grabs viewers attention.

I really wish they would change that to “de-militarize police.”

Do you think we don’t have enough “police” already? At what point do we have to admit we live in a police state?

https://www.discoverpolicing.org/explore-the-field/types-of-law-enforcement-agencies/

Not about edited video from MSM, it’s video shot by people on the street with smart phones. The most well known being one by a 17 year old girl that sparked this whole thing.

I haven’t seen that video. Can you post it or a link to it showing the incident unedited from beginning to end?

I agree.

“I haven’t seen that video. Can you post it or a link to it showing the incident unedited from beginning to end?“

You don’t have to rely on corporate media sources if you don’t trust them. Go to YouTube and do a search if you sincerely want to see non violent protesters being attacked. Plenty of people are posting their own video.

I can’t speak for anyone else but I will admitt it when the area I live in turns into a police state or when I move back to a metropolitan, liberal Democrat stronghold were crime is so bad police are needed on every corner. We’ve been living in our current home for 4 years now & we never seen a police drive on any of the roads close to our home. We like & respect our local sheriffs department. A problem that we do have is carpet baggers that fled from their liberal hellholes write letters on the editorial page in our local newspapers complaining about speeders & lack of law enforcement compared to where they escaped from. Really, a lot of people who don’t live in “police state” areas think liberals are a nasty disease. They have control of their cities, pass laws & make conditions so bad that they are unlivable for many people. Then they flee & try to pass laws & make the same rotten conditions that they tried to get away from in their new areas. I dread the day when enough of them get around us to require a large police force with a big jail with officers who fear for their lives & hate the general public because they’re being villified all time. I don’t want to live in one of those liberal police state communities & feel sorry for those that do. But again, that’s they way liberal city dwellers make it, who am I to judge.

Oh but you do.

Once upon a time another group said they long for the simpler days. “We dream of a Roman Italy” was one of their banner statements. A bit long to fit on the front of a ball cap but it got the point across.

Waking from the dream of a Mayberry RFD must be very troubling.

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Run children, run from those outsiders.

If you say so hoss. But all I know is all this police state, rioting, hating the police & destruction business is happening someplace else. None of my business. Why those liberal mayors, liberal city councils, liberal police chiefs & liberal voters let all that police brutality/rioting nonsense go on is beyond me. As long as they keep it to themselves I’m fine with it if they are.

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I don’t know where you live but the carpet baggers and snowbirds that come to my part of Florida from the ‘liberal’ cities are some of the most reactionary ultra conservatives I’ve ever run across. I lived for about a year in a condo building on the beach that was full of them and it was like living among a bunch Taliban that had bred with the Gestpo. When Trump was running they were giddy, you would have thought it was the second coming of George Wallace. Thankfully most leave once the weather gets hot, they wilt under the heat. The few that stay wig out when a hurricane comes and grab up arms to protect themselves from the coming marauding mobs. There are others who cocoon themselves year round in over 55 mobile home communities like Sun City where they ride around in their golf carts with their cocktails as the sun goes down with US flags flying, just in case they forget where they are I guess. You can time their emergence in the late afternoon and the topic of conversation by noting when Fox evening news is done and the rant of the day. Funny thing is most of them I have talked to are living on a nice union or corporate pensions which aren’t available much today. We’d be happy to send some of ours your way if you need a little balance. :grinning:

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They’ll be very disappointed when the dream of “Trump, President for Life” falls apart:

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