After rereading Animal Farm and 1984, maybe it’s time for us to reread Atlas Shrugged.
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I do think it’s a little galling to see this mandated when companies don’t even bother with cameras monitoring equipment anymore. It used to be common to have them in machinery spaces, but I haven’t seen that in years.
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Youbthink foreign ships dont have cameras?
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Don’t really like that this is mandated by the CG but the Animal Farm analogy doesn’t hold up. IIRC the protagonist in that book was monitored in his home via his TV.
The key point there is a reasonable expectation of privacy in one’s home but not in ship’s passageways. If a slippery slope argument is invalid, making it longer, steeper, and more slippery doesn’t make it any more valid.
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Most cgo ships do not . Some have. (PCTCS, RORO) , ships with fully enclosed bridges, but their purpose is not dedicated to monitor human potential criminal activities.
However:
If CG rules will pass and I suspect they will, then all ships visiting US ports will have to comply, as CG is Port State and all ships flying foreign flags must succumb voluntarily to laws and regulations of littoral state , despite their Flag State regulations/laws.
Port State though, does not have jurisdiction to prosecute/ act upon criminal acts taking place on the high seas on foreign flag vessel , as it is theoretically the sole province of Flag State , unless explicitly requested by Flag State representative ( consul) and/or ship Master.
Source UNCLOS
Rem:
But they (CG) have smart lawyers, who surely can find some loopholes , as in the case of ORB violations , that happen on the high seas but are prosecuted and adjudicated on US soil for …presentation of false records to Port State authorities and for not reporting forbidden acts. And rightly so .
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Typically surveillance video is not looked at except for an investigation after the fact. Don’t think it would be practical to monitor in real time.
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Sir .
I am not 100% sure but CCTV if installed on roros and PCTC cargo spaces is live and is recording for the purpose of monitoring this environment as an early fire detecting measure and to detect eventual issues regarding inadequate lashing . One of the recent fires ( i do not remember which one at the moment ) demonstrated that crew acted upon such early detection from CCTV , although not successfully .
Rem: pax vsls are saturated with CCTV cameras everywhere and nobody seems to complain especially during dedicated trips like Gay and rainbow gatherings and symposia. Nobody gives a damn.
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One of many links.
5 reasons to install CCTV systems on board your vessel | Zenitel
So moral of the story here is, if you’re going to creep on a shipmate do it anywhere else besides the one or two hallways being monitored? 
got it!
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It’s not a matter of “creep on” it’s a matter of “go into the room of”…
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I see, this makes perfect sense! Not that I care I’ve worked on boats with 72 cameras and ones with none, and many in between.
I just think it’s comical to assume that harassment and sexual assault only happens in staterooms.
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I don’t think in this case there is any requirement for a video monitor or display that can be watched in real time, just a requirement to record.
I don’t think anyone’s saying it only happens there. I think the idea is that most ships, and most of the ships I’ve worked on, have cctv in cargo, machinery, and weather deck spaces. The bridge has audio recording. The last spaces that go unmonitored, and where the most public and damning reports have taken place, are in staterooms of cadets/officers/crew.
Animal farm is may be not the best example , hence it looks it was mentioned as last item.
So what. ?
So is Ozzy Osbourne and his family and so were jerks from Big Brother.
Some like privacy some are exhibitionist, which acc to Webster are listed as perversion .
Seafarers unlike many other professions live and work in their workpalce , which is their second home or it’s substitution as was wisely observed.
Those outside Jones Act bubble and not protected by the Unions have much longer contracts -see MLC for max periods.
If lack of wifi may be the cause of hysteria and nervous brakdowns, ptsd, ships grounding ( ACC TO SOME ), requiring shrink interventions, special care of mental experts( PROMULGATED BY SOME) , then immagine what continuous surveillance/monitoring may generate and what risks/reactions this may reveal.
They are entitled then, to at least some privacy , as if not , then what is the difference between a ship and heavy security penitentiary facility. Ship is not and must not be converted to Alcatraz
“No man will be a sailor who has contrivance enough to get himself into a jail; for being in a ship is being in a jail, with the chance of being drowned… a man in a jail has more room, better food, and commonly better company.“ - Samuel Johnson 1759
Where on Earth outside of your home (and even in your home if you have smart devices) are you not monitored? Working on a ship is still a job. You want a job with complete privacy? Become an author and work strictly from your home office by candlelight.
No ones saying put a camera in the TV in your stateroom to monitor the Proles.
Nice shot and highly appreciated. Surely, book throwing and quotations exchange is better then canonnade of insults .
The key wording of your cool argumentation is:
You need to unplug your cryogenic chamber with some smart device and wake up. Today is 14th of Dec 2023 XXI century , so You need to engage 5th gear to adapt asap. But love your passion to history, which is nawadays rare habit .
As to the other part You’ve got the point and I admire your kind of thinking and logic , but monitoring at home is my choice, which as I understand applies to “freedom of choice” .
Working on ship is still a job and it is rather obvious, as obvious is ,you are living there . No point arguing here I think.
I understand your point and respect it but if you are such a fan of surveillance and an example of " obedient sheep" , try moving to China when they can count and evesdrob crab lices frolicking in the crotch.
I can see You have already been properly seasoned to accept Klaus Shwab and Yuval Noah Harari great reset scenario. Your choice but not necessarily mine.
Nice talking to You.
What’s changed since then as far as sailing? We’re still at sea aren’t we? Still stuck on the ship for months at a time, with the same people, the same shitty food, and the same chance of drowning. Only difference is we have cell phones and smart devices now. Whoopee. Jails have those too. We actually have less people on ships now than they did then.
Monitoring on a ship managed by someone not you, governed by an agency not you, and crewed by people in addition to you. You chose to go to sea. Don’t like it? Go work in an office, which probably has cameras in the lobby.
I’m a fan of mitigating risks to my shipmates. As I said, I’m not proposing we add cameras to the staterooms. Again, I’m at work, I’m used to feeling like I’m being watched because the chief mate is always lurking to find me skipping out on OT or taking a dump on cargo watch.
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Your wording seems to me , is filled with great dissatisfaction of beeing at sea. So who does not like the job ?? Me or You?? In one of his movies " Scent of the woman" Al Pacino said" there is nothing worse , then a young man with an amputated souls". You seem to me like one with such argumentation. Sorry but it is mine subjective opinion.
From your fascination with times past I gather You surely would love
Vice-Admiral William Bligh who was I think first confronted by SJW who did not like the discipline but liked a lot sex .
Well I am at the end of the road and You seem still at the operational and not management level. You still have a choice as i have not and am not willng .
LISTEN : why wasting your time on useless mumbo -jumbo in this quack-ademia here and instead use this time for education and migration to operational level. You will have other responsibilities and less time for nonsense. May be as Ch/mate or Master You will have greater satisfaction.
Are You??? You sound like SJW to me but i respect it . Your choice
This is the most important item I have fished out of your comment.
You are used to .
Well my Dear young Man/Woman . We are separated by ages , we are separated by cultures, systems we were brought in and both practical and theoretical experiences .
So please accept the fact I am " NOT USED TO FEELING LIKE I AM BEEING WATCHED , the sensation I have enjoyed and cherished for a long time. If You love it it is your choice . I do not like it and one must create no rape culture by education and not with cameras and a whips.
A word of caution though. Do some work /rest planning so your “taking dump” during cargo watch is not so frequent and noticed by Ch/Mate . As your place during cargo watch is on deck and not somewhere else. See please STCW and Flag requirements on the issue of cargo watch.
But with your love for cameras and acceptance of beeing watched , You make chieff mate task of watching You easier.
I think we both have exhausted this topic.
George Orwell’s ANIMAL FARM is about a group of farm animals that evicted the human farmers and ran the farm themselves. No technology involved. It had egalitarian goals and a lot of egalitarian speak (political correctness), but quickly became authoritarian, despotic and totalitarian. “All Animals are equal” became “All animals are equal, but some (the Pigs) are more equal than others.” Sound familiar? It was apparently written as a satire on Stalin’s totalitarianism.
George Orwell’s 1984 featured government control by “Big Brother” through two way TVs.
Aldus Huxley’s BRAVE NEW WORLD made groundbreaking predictions about government use of Eugenics (which was popular with the elites of the 1930s). People were bred for particular jobs and controlled through technology and monitoring. Higher intelligence Individualists that asserted themselves were banished to islands.
Any Rand’s ATLAS SHRUGGED is about a US Government of liberal elites becoming more and more totalitarian in the name of “the public good,” conscripting private property and ideas. That prompted the creative producers in the economy led by John Galt to “go on strike,” thus resulting in the collapse of the economy, government, and civil society.
On September 11th, 2001, as I watched the Twin Towers fall on a coffee shop TV, I remarked: “This changes America forever. It’s the death of Privacy, and the beginning of an overbearing security state, that will become increasingly totalitarian.” Unfortunately, the government continues to prove my rather obvious prediction to be right.
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It seems to me that companies have the right to, and should, post cctv in common areas aboard(bridge, pways, laundry, any lounges & mess areas), as well as external areas to monitor cargo & nav. I also think, however, that the government can not compel them to. The government can encourage them to, with grant funding, or withholding grant funding if they do not comply.
From an incident management point of view, for any type of incident not just SASH, it’s hard to justify not having readily available cameras installed for incident investigation. The cost of the cameras is negligible when compared to exposure without cameras. Maybe insurers should start pushing vessel operators to install them.
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