U.S. Seizes Oil Tanker Off Venezuela in Coast Guard-Led Operation

Yes and that cocaine goes to Europe which even the US DEA knows. This entire BS is nothing but trying to reestablish Chevron’s majority claim on Venezuelan oil. It is NOT about drug trafficking any more than attacking Iraq was about ‘weapons of mass destruction’. But it is a good distraction from the Epstein files :sweat_smile:

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the issue is, is this criminal, or an act of terrorism. As absolutely awful as the the influx of drugs is into this country, and the lives they destroy, I have a difficult time calling a smuggler, bringing in an illegal product in response to a demand in the US with the purpose of making money a terrorist. A criminal - yes. We interdict criminals - we don’t blow them up.

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The Butler speech i know by heart. EXCELLENT :winking_face_with_tongue:

American citizens are the ones using the drugs. If they want to destroy their own lives that’s their prerogative and it’s never going to be stopped. The “war on drugs” has been a failure every step of the way and it’s not suddenly going to change because we’re blowing up boats and seizing oil. It’s a farce. We want better oil deals and for Venezuela to stop shipping their oil to China and Iran. Anything else you hear is bullshit cover.

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Gentlemen, you are right in some aspects but you have not considered the deeper acts of war from which you are blinded. You are treating criminals as simple criminals. You are elevating individual freedom above the survival of your nation.

Trump knows these things are parts of a multi-pronged attack on his nation as aspects of fifth generation warfare. Drugs are simply one arm. Drugs kill and disable hundreds of thousands of your citizens annually. Don’t you ever consider that that result is the primary aim of those who would destroy the USA and not simply the rivers of gold? For sure, that drug money is used to bribe every politician, official, and operator to ease the flow of drugs and put in place favourable administrators and governments. Not a problem?

Your enemies are softening America militarily but you only see it as being criminal. They aim to crush America from within using the unrestricted warfare methods that you don’t see as foreign attacks. These attacks are all around you and you can’t or won’t see them as acts of war.

Your enemies aim to weaken and destroy the foundations of your western democratic structure by attacking for instance, families and family life. Marriage is under attack. Abortion is hailed as a freedom as is euthanasia. You have a strong and visible eugenics movement that wants to depopulate. Children are indoctrinated to despise their heritage and their whiteness and consider their nation stolen and plundered, not built and nurtured. Trans ideology is militantly against everything normal and true. BLM wasn’t a popular reaction to a murder but an orchestrated attack on civil life. Your universities and schools are hotbeds of Marksism, and depravity. Your churches adopt every weird ism except Christianity. Islamists are taking over entire towns and soon states. I could go on, but all these things are funded and pushed by external forces to destroy you. You are the great Satan. You must be destroyed.

Let me describe the ways Trump has been attacked, indicted, raided, arrested, fined … . Perhaps not, you all know the forces flung at him and I don’t have the energy to help you save your nation. Why so much energy activated against one man? It sure as hell ain’t just politics.

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The US was built on individual freedom.

Trump knows there’s oil there which means there’s money there and Exxon, Chevron, and any other US oil major hate that all the Venezuelan crude is going to anywhere but the US to be refined. Call it what you want but it’s a money grab. Iraq all over again. This time instead of WMD’s it’s the drug war.

That is not uniquely American.

Not really. It’s all about money. Who’s profiting?

Are they state sponsored? Even if they are what does it matter? The President just pardoned the ex-president of Honduras who was convicted of smuggling insane amount of drugs to the US. So once Maduro is out all is forgiven, we let go of the drugs and just collect our oil.

Latin and South America are traditionally very Catholic and have deep familial traditions. I don’t see how they’re attacking families and family life by selling drugs. The ones using the drugs are ruining their own lives and indirectly their loved ones who are trying to help, maybe.

You’re off your rocker.

No, its mostly is politics. But a lot of it is exactly the reasons you didn’t list above but have been mentioned until kingdom come. Sometimes there aren’t deeper meanings to everything and it’s as simple as money making. Which is what all of this is about. Oil = money.

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Apart from the freedom of the natives, the freedom of the British, French and Spanish to colonise, the freedom of the south to have slaves, or the freedom of the slaves to their own lives and their descendants to freedom from malicious racial discrimination, lynchings and dispossessions, and the freedoms of many nations to their own systems of government.

Fear this; lose your nation and there goes your freedom too. Nation must be the first priority.

As does everyone. But the attack is on America and that money is attacking America. Kill it.

No. You aren’t the only nation under assault but if you go, we all go.

Not really. You can’t see it because you don’t want to see it. Deaths from drugs doesn’t help you. It weakens you. That’s their aim.

That’s freedom for you. Poor bastard is on drugs. Let him die!

Nope. That’s the sort of answer when you don’t have an answer. This is obviously happening and you can see it too. Look outside. Talk to a human. A few things I didn’t mention might trigger your outrage a bit eg child trafficking, child ritual sacrifice, human trafficking, money laundering, insider trading, industrial sabotage, lawfare, etc. All of those are being perpetrated under your nose by the sort of celebrities and politicians you see on TV. Add your own you reckon I left out.

Sure is. But your nation is under attack from that money.

Looks like it is the Europeans that is at the receiving end of most cocaine from Venezuela.

PS: Fentanyl consumed in USA comes mostly from Mexico.
Other opioid are produced by US-based “Big Pharma” and prescribed by US Doctors.

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Dr. Sal argues it is not a blockade and Skiper seizure was legit . All in accordance with UNCLOS which US has not ratified.

Exxon-Mobil has been lobbying for regime change aka colonization in Venezuela for years. They might soon get their millions of lobbying [bribe] dollars worth.

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But you seem to prefer Venezuela’s current efficient, benevolent administration?

I’m curious in all this.

Blockades and isolation never removed Castro from power. He died a rich fat old man.

Blockades and isolation never removed Saddam Hussein from power. For that American troops had to be sent in.

We’ve put Iran on embargoes for years and bombed them. The ayatollahs are still firmly in charge.

So, what are the examples of blockades that have removed dictators from power?

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Having been in a couple of countries while an embargo was in place I can tell you the people that suffer the most are very people the embargoing country claims to be most concerned about. The rich and political class get along just fine.

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Watch this space. I suspect Trump’s methods will work. Not long to wait either.

That’s why they are the targets.

What you fail to understand is that under an embargo the political class and the rich see their support from the people increase as they now have a common enemy. You also don’t understand that all Venezuelans consider the oil their birth right and will defend it against any foreign enemy.

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That doesn’t answer my question.

When did it work before?

There must be an example.

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Follow up of my post # 50. Well Dr.Sal it does not look good. Skipper was flag-less , allegedly not registerd , issues with safety inspections- overall picture rather gloomy and that is why the seizure was supposed to be legit.

But what now? :wink: Checked Equasis and everything looks quite nice exept the Class society I have never heard about but not everybody must be a member of IACS.

In your Lefty dream perhaps. Venezuelans know who screwed them (they were prosperous just a few years before) and have no love for the strongmen who destroyed everything.

I understand lots that you don’t seem to credit me with. I’m sure the strongmen consider the oil theirs and it is certainly the property of Venezuelans, but whether it belongs to the state in the first instance rather than the citizen living in his hut on top of it, I’m not sure. It sure as hell doesn’t belong to America or any foreign nation.

Blockades and embargoes are age-old tactics. They may not produce every effect up to defeat of the king/boss man, but they contribute strongly. I don’t claim to know Trump’s mind, but he has the balls to do things nobody can predict and win. I like that.

Both of you have yet to realise/admit that America is currently in a fifth generation, existential war inside your own borders against forces, some of which emanate from Venezuela. You normies are not meant to be able to see this. It’s going on under your noses in plain sight and you shrug it off.