Towing Sailboats in Canada?

I read an article that there are plans to start building them with azimuth drives and cycloidal propellars.

When this happens and these machines are running around, no flemished dock line or dinghy will be safe from their wakes. Having this kind of maneuverability and power in one’s hands will be god- like. Get ready for a degree of arrogance that has never been seen before in your harbours.


In Canada?

Yes, I can verify this. In U.S. pistols are kept “in” the holster but in Canada they are kept “on” the holster. I know it sounds weird but it’s how it is. Has to do with Canada’s history as a Commonwealth country.


The object of my comment was related to an “editor” open carrying a pistol in Canada, or even carrying one at all unless he is a police officer or some other member of the “state security” fraternity.

Good catch. guns (especially handguns) are not really allowed north of the line…as in Maryland and north (PA, and some others excluded). Something about disdain for freedom and the government will always protect one from bad actors.

What a strange divergence from the topic of my post. US calls it a center we call it a centre.

Canada has three types of firearms licenses.

Longguns are basically firearms, provided they are semi-automatic. You could buy an M4 semi and it would be treated like an unrestricted firearm, provided it is incapable of going to fully automatic.

Pistols are restricted, which is a different license, but anyone can take the course and get the ability to own one.

Carry permits are usually job related for any class, otherwise it must be in a locked box in the trunk with the ammunition in a seperate locked box with a different lock. Job related carry permits (armoured car, police, military, etc. are permitted based on the job duty)

Prohibited is automatic and assault weapons capable of firing full automatic. These are restricted to police and military, carry permit is the same as above.

Hope this clears that up. Maritime law is different than on land. At sea, you are basically piloting your own small country on your vessel, and what happens on your vessel save for a crime like murder, torture, or rape, the laws are no longer enforceable. Carrying a pistol on your vessel is not a crime, even without an open carry permit (concealed is usually prohibited).

So if you have a prohibited assault rifle on your vessel in Canada but do not take it onto land, you are in the clear. The moment it is on the dock, provincial and Canadian criminal code applies to it’s transport. Common sense would dictate that if you do not have the necessary permits, you couldn’t have transported it to the boat in the first place, so this sort of thing is exceedingly rare.

Canada actually has more guns per capita than the United States (albeit with a much smaller population).

Hope this clears up the gun thing.

I made this post because I have been encountering bandit A-hole tug operators (not hauling logs, but boats) for a few years now who are doing their best to create make work projects for themselves in the off season, which includes stealing boats - most importantly to me, my boat.

Oh my effin’ word.

DSD and the woman with the battery fetish both have a cousin in Canada.


I didn’t come on here to debate gun laws.

Most of the people here wouldn’t consider the local marina work boats to be “tug boats”. That’s why your receiving such flack. Also why don’t you take the boat out of the water until you have an agreement with some marina or yacht club to moor or store your boat? Ask around with the other boat owners in your area about where to keep your boat. But calling Tugboat captains A-holes on this forum, when you clearly have a very different definition isn’t gonna win you any points.

I have friends who are tug operators, they haul barges and logs. I’m talking about (whatever your official term for them is) seasonal small tug operators that move boats. Yarding a 7 ton sailboat out of the water and putting it in the hard is not a small operation. Can’t trailer it and just drive it, have to hire a boat mover. Then there’s where on earth to put it, which is $40 / day at the local haulout marina. Can’t exactly store the thing at my house; plus the return to the water with a boat mover.

Ideally, I’d be in a professional marina, I enjoy the fresh water, facilities and shore power, but the wait lists here are like 10+ years. Tragically, people are buying boats just to get a slip and then letting it run adrift until it’s beached, leaving derelict hazards to navigation the moorage problem is so bad.

In a “smart” world, the government would be granting more water leases so more marinas could be built, but NIMBYism has people with million dollar plus vacation homes they use a few weeks in a year protesting any offshore development. Sadly, most of the vacation homes in the sound have docks, and getting ahold of any of them to even pay them for moorage has proven nearly impossible. Can’t knock on their door because they are never there, and there are no websites or facebook groups to poll and see if anyone is willing, even with pay and doing basic property management for free on top. If I had the money and a water lease to build a marina, it would be filled in seconds, not minutes, even if I built a 200 slip facility without shore power.

I know that not all tug operators are A-holes, but when someone nabs a 7 ton sailboat and moves it a nautical mile from an unattended government dock to a private dock, cuts your lines and tries to pry your lock open in the off season, it’s kind of obvious there’s some crookery going on looking for money they should have saved in the “on” season (summer) moving vehicles from island to island and towing boats.

Quite the shafty way to drum up business. Why they dont just do beachcombing for logs, I don’t know, logs are everywhere; they come free from booms, trees fall in storms, and there’s reasonable money in that racket as there are several sawmills right around here. Why try to steal my 40 year old boat to make a couple grand selling it for pennies on the dollar? I maintain my boat, check on it, sail it, clean it, it’s no derelict vessel.

I grew up on the SC. It’s sad that I have to even consider locking the boat up and chaining it to the dock. Man, how this area has changed.

Where is this hellhole?

This whole thread was actually much funnier when it was still part of the “Real Tug Captains” thread. A lot of the context behind Kris_Taylor’s miss-post was lost when Kennebec Capt moved and re-titled the thread. Why’d you do that? I was enjoying my popcorn.


My guess would be that he’s from Vancouver.

I expect there are lots of places to keep a small sailboat on a mooring or on the hard for a reasonable fee once you get away from the city.

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Maybe a boat isn’t for you right now until you can give it a proper home.

Yes. Much like owning an exotic car. If you can’t afford the repair bills, best to steer clear.

I have no idea what’s going on in here.


Well armed Canadian WAFI is fighting against asshole tugboat operators over sailboat thievery. Caution: your definition of tugboat operator and his may differ.


You sure about that country that’s floating around with your 26 footer of which you appear to be king? I have a feeling some (incl the writers of the Act Respecting Firearms and Other Weapons) might interpret your rights of carrying a pistol around a bit more narrowly than you. Maybe lock it away to stay compliant?

Also, since this is going so well: I think you are not seeing both sides here, tug operators are just enforcing local rules, and besides they need to make a living, too.

So tug operators have police powers now?