This is not the first sailing vessel to be modified from a previous safer design. IIRC this boat was not originally intended to have a rig this tall.
The Albatross started life as a pilot boat rigged as a schooner. Ernest K. Gann (yes that one) bought her and re-rigged her as a brigantine. Through skill and luck she did fine until years later owned by someone else and used as a sail training ship she went down in a squall. This is the basis of the movie “White Squall”. Also see the original Pride of Baltimore, these ships were considered dangerous and requiring of expert handling when new. She had off-center hatches and could flood from being knocked down and she did. This is kind of the reverse, a boat NOT modified from a known dangerous design. To be fair, the builder didn’t originally think she was going to sea and duplicated the original pretty much exactly, dangerous features and all.
I read the manuals posted and detail is amazing, they put a lot of time figuring out exactly how bad she was at surviving a knockdown. Kind of like if the Titanic had come with a book-sized manual detailing how bad the steel was in cold water and how bad the half-height bulkheads were but kind of forget to mention going slow at night in known ice.
Wrong time, Wrong place, Wrong boat. Good summary.
Dick Beaumont, Kraken Yachts Founder, sits down to talk about the tragic sinking of the Bayesian with sailing journalist, Dick Durham.
Pretty well the same conclusion that those contributing to the forum had come to. Now we have to wait until the Investigation is complete to find if the facts fit with the supposed event. I am thankful for the crew’s sake that the investigation is not been lead by the Italian authorities on their own.
More from GdS - divers recover diverse electronics from the bridge …
Remember too, the super tall sloop mast on Bayesian was aluminum. Her sisters are ketch rigged composites.
Good point. This means the aerodynamic drag of the bracing rigging has to be considered along with the lateral area when estimating the likely heeling moment.
Earl
Oh yeah! News to me!
This diagram is discussed on the SA forum page 194 here
There is some pretty disturbing information out there now for owners of similar yachts from the same builder. Lawyers of all sides involved in the sinking of the Bayesian will be well advanced in their billing hours, still it should provide a bit of work for Naval Architects.
Jesus KC,
The SA forum members appear to get far more cantankerous with each other than we amateurs on gCaptain!
Not new information apparently, this is an early report From the Financial Times: - Dated 24 August
The Italian coastguard said winds had reached an extraordinary 60 knots, equivalent to a Force 11 “violent storm” on the Beaufort scale.
That is how that place rolls, but it did attract what seemed like a huge collection of nuts that had never posted anything before trying to take the piss from actual working naval architects. You have to selectively skip over the crazy ones.
Interesting developments. Go to 3:47.
Here are the latest updates on the tragedy we could find as of this morning
"… super-encrypted hard drives that hold highly classified information, including passcodes and other sensitive data,” [writes CNN]… "
I saw that article - probable CNN sensationalist speculation.
( besides, the Hewlett-Packard hit team grabbed all of that stuff before they beamed back up to Elon’s stealth space ship - see post # 22)
What is pretty much certain is a knockdown precipitated downflooding and sinking. Somewhere in her interior or in the debris field may well be a fine bronze or cast glass tabletop sculpture. That would have been secured to table with what museum staff refer to as sticky wax. It provides an impermanent bond for art on pedestals or in display cases so a knock won’t let them fall. Broken glass was reported prior to flooding, had topside tempered plate glass 10mm or 12mm. Had that been hit by such weight as shown in photos of topsides it would be game over for those openings. We already know the cushions etc floating in the aftermath, so no reason to see that art would be stowed to lessen a chance of becoming projectiles in such weather.
No surprise here …
Oof, the loss of the vessel may or may not be causing “reputational damage” to TISG/Perini yet, but the arrogance and boneheaded actions of their CEO definitely is.
I anticipate interesting conversations around the docks, bars and bazaars of the Monaco Yacht Show this week!