The Sea Demonstrates Again It Doesn't Care - Yacht Bayesian

it’s a link to the original document Stephen Edwards wrote, which was never clearly referenced in the video.

As suspected above, what the FD divers really saw/said - this from SuperyachtTimes today
" According to fire department diver Marco Tilotta, the wreck was intact and the mast was still attached when they first examined the vessel. However, he noted that although divers had not been able to inspect the full length of the mast, the section they had seen was undamaged."

FYI, a blast from the past, and offshore racing days. Here is an extract from the “Report of the 1979 Fastnet Race Inquiry”.
This refers to (B1) knockdowns to 90⁰, not beyond with rollover (B2). (B1/B2 were the question numbers in the questionnaire
79Fastnet_B1-kd.pdf (240.8 KB)

Showing 58% were knocked down with bare poles ….

… but came back up!!

They were knocked down by waves in heavy seas, not by wind at anchor in 4-foot chop. Getting pinned over while the crew gets spinnaker sheets and preventers loose is not all that unusual for a racing boat, but I have never in my life seen a sailboat come even remotely close to a knockdown with no sails up while at anchor.
Also note that the boats do not flood when knocked down or heavy air races would have sinking boats left and right.

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From what I have read the yacht Bayesian was designed from the onset to sail with a good performance to windward. Handling sails of this area has only possible with technical advances made over the last 40 years. That similar yachts built by the same company were ketches, still with large sail areas, tells me that there was a flaw in moving to a sloop rig. The vents were poorly placed and the yacht required more ballast giving 100mm less freeboard.

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Agreed!

The weather conditions at the ‘Fastnet Race 1979’ and with the ‘Bayesian’ are not comparable.

A deepening oceanic depression coming from Newfoundland to Ireland made a horrible sea; 15-meter waves in a 60-knot storm make short and very steep waves.
The boats mostly were thrown from the wave’s crests into their troughs.

In Sicily the waves were not the problem, only 10/15 knots of wind at large.
The weather phenomenon was too localized and too short to build up significant waves.

Missing my point…
A normal sailboat held flat under bare poles for 5-10mins, plus seas breaking over as well, has the w/t integrity and righting moment to come back up (as we and others did that night in '79). Many others went all the way around. Few sank!
A Perini is not a normal sailboat (or unsinkable in spite of ISG/Perini protestations) and did not survive (as we are currently led to believe) being held flat, in flat seas, for very long at all!

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Coming at it from a sailing background:
Boats are not sunk from being knocked down and boats get knocked down.
Coming at it from a ship background (and this included sailing ships)
A knockdown to 90 degrees is a fatal event and the crew needs to make sure this never happens.
We seem to have the worst of both worlds here :frowning:

Agree. Many Many years ago coming into Tauranga on a Thunderbird design yacht carrying a masthead spinnaker ( known as the Purple people eater) in conditions we shouldn’t, in flat water we dragged the cross trees in the water before order was restored.
It really impressed the ladies as we struggled to present an air of nonchalance.

Another perspective.

geez, who would think the water tight door between ch eng cabin and engine room would be open at night or ever open other to to walk through and close behind you.

And yet another “perspective”………

yep love my cabin to be as warm as the engine room…lol

So……with the view that this contributor has made an evident erroneous statement regarding an open watertight door……you inherently debunk the video. Is that your considered “laugh out loud” position?

just the erroneous error but how does an experienced person think that?
never been on a megaycht?

There is a murmur about that.

Don’t forget many large yachts are arranged with a sliding WT door with a hinged joiner door as well that serves as the day to day heat and noise barrier….

But did it really matter. We have heard nothing confirming the position of the stern door as either open or closed …

sure but it didnt matter as it seems flooded cabin and engine room and its still afloat