[QUOTE=z-drive;176953]you’re an insane dirtbag. Go fuck yourself. Call the police if needed, but they hate having their time wasted by crazy people.[/QUOTE]
You really sound sick with your funny photo. I am a healthy, good looking, successful naval architct and marine safety consultant with soon 50 years experience … and what are you? Just an obnoxious anonymous person writing shit.
[QUOTE=Heiwa;176956]You really sound sick with your funny photo. I am a healthy, good looking, successful naval architct and marine safety consultant with soon 50 years experience … and what are you? Just an obnoxious anonymous person writing shit.[/QUOTE]
Lemme guess the rest; big dick, lots of chicks, face time on cable TV, reality shows lined up, megayacht. Yeah baby you da man.
Just shut the fuck up you fucking jizz bag. I’ve had enough of you. I know I’m not the only one fed up with your sad little one man shit show.
then what the fuck are YOU writing? How is a ship where vehicles ROLL on and ROLL off not a ro/ro? You have shit for brains!
[QUOTE=z-drive;176958]then what the fuck are YOU writing? How is a ship where vehicles ROLL on and ROLL off not a ro/ro? You have shit for brains![/QUOTE]
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll-on/roll-off :
Roll-on/roll-off (RORO or ro-ro) ships are vessels designed to carry wheeled cargo, such as automobiles, trucks, semi-trailer trucks, trailers, and railroad cars, that are driven on and off the ship on their own wheels or using a platform vehicle, such as a self-propelled modular transporter. This is in contrast to lift-on/lift-off (LoLo) vessels, which use a crane to load and unload cargo.
RORO vessels have built-in ramps that allow the cargo to be efficiently rolled on and off the vessel when in port. While smaller ferries that operate across rivers and other short distances often have built-in ramps, the term RORO is generally reserved for large oceangoing vessels. The ramps and doors may be stern-only, or bow and stern for quick loading.
I don’t want to die for bull shit.
I don’t want anyone else to die for bull shit.
[QUOTE=Heiwa;176961]From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll-on/roll-off :
Roll-on/roll-off (RORO or ro-ro) ships are vessels designed to carry wheeled cargo, such as automobiles, trucks, semi-trailer trucks, trailers, and railroad cars, that are driven on and off the ship on their own wheels or using a platform vehicle, such as a self-propelled modular transporter. This is in contrast to lift-on/lift-off (LoLo) vessels, which use a crane to load and unload cargo.
RORO vessels have built-in ramps that allow the cargo to be efficiently rolled on and off the vessel when in port. While smaller ferries that operate across rivers and other short distances often have built-in ramps, the term RORO is generally reserved for large oceangoing vessels. The ramps and doors may be stern-only, or bow and stern for quick loading.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don’t know why I’m taking this bait. I’ve had a few; ought to be in bed.
Two of the ROROs I managed had side ramps. SIDE ramps. They were too narrow for Abrams tanks, therefore they were deemed shitty; but they were side ramps capable of loading most vehicles the Army had to offer (aside from Abrams tanks).
You should not get your technical info from Wikipedia. Makes you look like an amateur; a dilettante.
Edit: all of the military ROROs I managed or dealt with had side ramps, including the SL-7s.
[QUOTE=catherder;176964]I honestly don’t know why I’m taking this bait. I’ve had a few; ought to be in bed.
Two of the ROROs I managed had side ramps. SIDE ramps. They were too narrow for Abrams tanks, therefore they were deemed shitty; but they were side ramps capable of loading most vehicles the Army had to offer (aside from Abrams tanks).
You should not get your technical info from Wikipedia. Makes you look like an amateur; a dilettante.
Edit: all of the military ROROs I managed or dealt with had side ramps including the SL-7s.[/QUOTE]
Mz Cat stop playing with this clown. Use the ignore function
[QUOTE=catherder;176964]I honestly don’t know why I’m taking this bait. I’ve had a few; ought to be in bed.
Two of the ROROs I managed had side ramps. SIDE ramps. They were too narrow for Abrams tanks, therefore they were deemed shitty; but they were side ramps capable of loading most vehicles the Army had to offer (aside from Abrams tanks).
You should not get your technical info from Wikipedia. Makes you look like an amateur; a dilettante.
Edit: all of the military ROROs I managed or dealt with had side ramps, including the SL-7s.[/QUOTE]
Mz Cat, may I suggest the ignore function. You’ve wasted enough time on this douche.
[QUOTE=Ctony;176966]Mz Cat, may I suggest the ignore function. You’ve wasted enough time on this douche.[/QUOTE]
I don’t post here all that much any more. Ignore sounds like a capital idea.
PETRA Ship Photos | AIS MarineTraffic no stern ramp though?
Well let’s be consistent if we’re gonna use Wikipedia as a source. They show the ship to be a RoRo.
[QUOTE=Oil_Is_Evil;176918]Ten thousand Swedes crawled through the weeds, chased by one Norwegian. http://dayviews.com/robinoberg/328260877/ Ok, waay off topic…[/QUOTE]
I don’t know about crawling through the weeds, but they run back across the mountains.
In fact now they are running again, but this time chased by the falling NOK:
Don’t expect good service at a restaurant or hotel in Norway anytime soon. The rate of SEK is now higher than for the NOK for the first time in more than a generation. (SEK 100 = NOK 105)
[QUOTE=Fraqrat;176971]Well let’s be consistent if we’re gonna use Wikipedia as a source. They show the ship to be a RoRo.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_El_Faro[/QUOTE]
Actually “El Faro was a United States-flagged, combination roll-on/roll-off and lift-on/lift-off cargo ship” according Wiki, which sounds confusing, to say the least.
Maybe they lifted the vehicles on and then they could roll off? Question is what the five cargo holds were used for and how to access them and what the hatch covers looked like.
no, vehicles rolled on and rolled off, containers were lifted on and lifted off.
I am somewhat amazed and appalled by the Heiwa discussion, it is too much honor for him. We are being played and swallow the bait with hook line and sinker. Earlier in this topic I warned you about his bizarre theories on all kind if things. As an example of what I mean and to know who you are dealing with look for instance here.
On 11th September 2015 it was fourteen years since US terrorists destroyed the WTC-complex at New York and blamed it on another party - Usama Bin Laden and Al Qaida.
Let’s just ignore him from now on. He is a lonely guy, he won’t like that…
It is also totally irrelevant if the El Faro was a RO-RO or whatever. The ship foundered by a human error and a mechanical failure. It was good enough for the coastal trade it was in but to be honest I would not have liked to cross the North Atlantic during winter time with it.
The Northern Lights / El faro, Westward Venture and the Greatland made the Tacoma to Anchorage run for twenty plus years to include running up Cook Inlet in the ice. They all had ice belts. The weather on this run makes the North Atlantic a cake walk. Done both , many times.
[QUOTE=Dutchie;176980]I am somewhat amazed and appalled by the Heiwa discussion, it is too much honor for him. We are being played and swallow the bait with hook line and sinker. Earlier in this topic I warned you about his bizarre theories on all kind if things. As an example of what I mean and to know who you are dealing with look for instance here.
Let’s just ignore him from now on. He is a lonely guy, he won’t like that…
It is also totally irrelevant if the El Faro was a RO-RO or whatever. The ship foundered by a human error and a mechanical failure. It was good enough for the coastal trade it was in but to be honest I would not have liked to cross the Atlantic during winter time with it.[/QUOTE]
We do not know the cause of the incident. Was it bad weather, was it crew negligence, was it a structural failure, was it due to a hidden defect that could not be spotted with due diligence or something else, etc, etc. Many questions to clarify by the NTSB.
I assume the ballast tanks were not coated 1975 (today it is a Class requirement) and maintenance of not coated ballast tanks is not easy even if cathodic protection is fitted (that only works with the tank full of water). After a while the structure is corroded and later there is nothing left but rust unless you take action. I am really curious how the owners maintained the ballast tanks on this old ship. NTSB should find out.
[QUOTE=Dutchie;176980]I am somewhat amazed and appalled by the Heiwa discussion, it is too much honor for him. We are being played and swallow the bait with hook line and sinker. Earlier in this topic I warned you about his bizarre theories on all kind if things. As an example of what I mean and to know who you are dealing with look for instance here.
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It is a good idea to look there. I got the idea when a ship’s Master reported that a complete crane top part had got loose on our ship and then dropped down on the main deck, making a big indent or buckle in the deck plate and then … bounced UP … and disappeared over the side and into the sea. BYE BYE crane.
According the US 911 structural analysis scientific procedures the crane should have made a hole in the deck, inner bottom and outer bottom and the ship should have sunk in record time. I paye anyone €1 000 000:- to show that it is possible - http://heiwaco.com/chall.htm .
The buckle in the deck and the lost crane did not make the ship unseaworthy. But of course a new crane top had to be fitted and the deck fixed. Everything happens at sea. (It was apparently the bolts holding the crane top to its foundation that got loose. I hadn’t checked that. My fault, as usual).
[QUOTE=Heiwa;176961]From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll-on/roll-off :
Roll-on/roll-off (RORO or ro-ro) ships are vessels designed to carry wheeled cargo, such as automobiles, trucks, semi-trailer trucks, trailers, and railroad cars, that are driven on and off the ship on their own wheels or using a platform vehicle, such as a self-propelled modular transporter. This is in contrast to lift-on/lift-off (LoLo) vessels, which use a crane to load and unload cargo.
RORO vessels have built-in ramps that allow the cargo to be efficiently rolled on and off the vessel when in port. While smaller ferries that operate across rivers and other short distances often have built-in ramps, the term RORO is generally reserved for large oceangoing vessels. The ramps and doors may be stern-only, or bow and stern for quick loading.[/QUOTE]
That definition fits the El Faro exactly. What’s your point? (Also, I think it’s technically considered a conro vessel, buy that doesn’t mean it isn’t a roro.)
How are you such an expert on ABS class requirements?